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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 19:39:10 GMT -5
Because the $17 price (or whichever price each store in each area charges) is based on how much that store/chain buys them from Mattel for. And Mattel's prices are based on shipping a certain number of units. The less units shipped, the higher the price per unit. That's at the core of bulk buying. It's all well and good to fantasise "wouldn't it be lovely if Mattel rereleased all the figures I missed out on so that I could complete my collection at retail price" but it's an unrealistic pipe dream and it's best to know the difference between pipe dreams and reality. Mattel's business is not built on plugging the gaps in every individual hardcore flashback collector's personal collection. If we did get elite rereleases, they wouldn't be sets of every flashback that every individual Wfigs member wants. They'd be Best Of Year sets that would feature the more well-known current characters, and we'd all cry that the pegs were being clogged up by more Cenas and Lesnars. Thus why I say only release on RSC where Mattel knows that these will be sold well. But the vast majority of people who buy off RSC have already bought these figures. They've already sold well on RSC to the majority of people who would buy them. We're not going to buy them again.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on May 23, 2014 19:43:05 GMT -5
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Post by savage on May 23, 2014 20:35:33 GMT -5
If there are 100 willing to pay that much, tgere are plenty others willing to pay retail. I think you're forgetting that a lot of us didn't jump on the mattel band wagon in the beginning. Tgere are a lot more mattel collectors now vs when they first got the rights. Besides, they don't have to make as many as they do normally. They already have all the parts so it's not like they would be producing new figures.. That has no basis in rational economics whatsoever. A small dedicated group is in no way indicative of anything except that they are a small dedicated group. It isn't about having the parts, It's about having the slots. We only get about 10 or so elite flashbacks a year not including exclusives or specials (like WM30 elites). That's limited enough! Now you all want to take those slots up for figures we've all already had a reasonable chance of purchasing? I'm sorry, but I'll argue against that until the cows come home. Wrong. We don't want them fit into the elite slots. We want them released in their own series. Sorry that bothers you so much.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2014 21:05:47 GMT -5
That has no basis in rational economics whatsoever. A small dedicated group is in no way indicative of anything except that they are a small dedicated group. It isn't about having the parts, It's about having the slots. We only get about 10 or so elite flashbacks a year not including exclusives or specials (like WM30 elites). That's limited enough! Now you all want to take those slots up for figures we've all already had a reasonable chance of purchasing? I'm sorry, but I'll argue against that until the cows come home. Wrong. We don't want them fit into the elite slots. We want them released in their own series. Sorry that bothers you so much. But to sell flashbacks in any capacity requires Mattel to appeal to their base flashback collectors, and the vast majority of us who wanted those figures already bought them. They aren't going to sell as well the second time around simply because most interested parties already own them. And as Next Man has pointed out, they need to be able to produce and sell a large quantity in order to make it worth their while, and that's just not going to happen when most people who buy flashbacks have already bought these figures. What you want is a pipe dream. And it has already been explained years ago by Mattel and others as to why something like this wouldn't work. Repaints with newer accessories are the best you can reasonably hope for, such as Kevin Nash in nWo black and white or Kane with inverted colors and one of the ringside exclusive belts. Those could draw interest from all spectrums. But to think you're going to get the same ones again? Dude, you better start ponying up on eBay. Because that's all that's left. And that's why people pay all that money for them. They know they have no other options if they want those figs.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 0:09:08 GMT -5
Wrong. We don't want them fit into the elite slots. We want them released in their own series. Sorry that bothers you so much. But to sell flashbacks in any capacity requires Mattel to appeal to their base flashback collectors, and the vast majority of us who wanted those figures already bought them. They aren't going to sell as well the second time around simply because most interested parties already own them. And as Next Man has pointed out, they need to be able to produce and sell a large quantity in order to make it worth their while, and that's just not going to happen when most people who buy flashbacks have already bought these figures. What you want is a pipe dream. And it has already been explained years ago by Mattel and others as to why something like this wouldn't work. Repaints with newer accessories are the best you can reasonably hope for, such as Kevin Nash in nWo black and white or Kane with inverted colors and one of the ringside exclusive belts. Those could draw interest from all spectrums. But to think you're going to get the same ones again? Dude, you better start ponying up on eBay. Because that's all that's left. And that's why people pay all that money for them. They know they have no other options if they want those figs. But there is always new people coming in to this hobby so to speak. There are people who haven't collect in years and there are some who recently discovered these figures like myself. How do we know that most people already bought these figures? What if it still 50/50. A lot of my friends have recently gotten back to wrestling and have been on hiatus since 06 like myself but thanks to the WWE network, they are coming back in droves. However your suggestion of repaint and newer accessories work too as long as they still release those wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2014 1:15:00 GMT -5
But to sell flashbacks in any capacity requires Mattel to appeal to their base flashback collectors, and the vast majority of us who wanted those figures already bought them. They aren't going to sell as well the second time around simply because most interested parties already own them. And as Next Man has pointed out, they need to be able to produce and sell a large quantity in order to make it worth their while, and that's just not going to happen when most people who buy flashbacks have already bought these figures. What you want is a pipe dream. And it has already been explained years ago by Mattel and others as to why something like this wouldn't work. Repaints with newer accessories are the best you can reasonably hope for, such as Kevin Nash in nWo black and white or Kane with inverted colors and one of the ringside exclusive belts. Those could draw interest from all spectrums. But to think you're going to get the same ones again? Dude, you better start ponying up on eBay. Because that's all that's left. And that's why people pay all that money for them. They know they have no other options if they want those figs. But there is always new people coming in to this hobby so to speak. There are people who haven't collect in years and there are some who recently discovered these figures like myself. How do we know that most people already bought these figures? What if it still 50/50. A lot of my friends have recently gotten back to wrestling and have been on hiatus since 06 like myself but thanks to the WWE network, they are coming back in droves. However your suggestion of repaint and newer accessories work too as long as they still release those wrestlers. Have you been reading the news? The WWE Network has been a disaster in terms of expectations. One financial expert said: "This logic [thinking the network would work] is extremely flawed. While it’s nice that 52 million households have “affinity” for the WWE, the fact is that only about 5 million people watch the company’s flagship cable show, Monday Night Raw, each week. It stands to reason that people who aren’t watching the company’s free offerings would be unlikely to pay $9.99 monthly for premium content." I think you guys are in the super minority. But repaints would be make most of us happy.
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Post by popyduggan on May 25, 2014 9:32:32 GMT -5
Here's my fantasy(technically it's too expensive to keep up with) : 12 Elite series a year 6 modern sequential Elite series every other month(ex. in 2014, Elite 25-31) 6 rerelease/flashback Elite series every other month(3 rereleases, 3 new flashbacks)
This way, new collectors can get older desirable(expensive on the secondary market) figures without getting their b*lls busted by resellers(which happens a lot and makes me cringe, I mean $150 for a mib figure?) and older collectors can skip them because they'll already have those figures or perhaps they missed them as well(I know I couldn't find a handful of them) and would appreciate a second chance.
Also, the regular Elite line could have highly detailed lower tier characters again(3MB/Union Jacks, Tatsu, Usos, Matadores & Torito,etc.) and flashbacks could be part of their own series without changing the current pace of how many come out every 2 months, so if you have every single Elite ever made, you'd only need to buy 9 figures every 2 months instead of 6(if you're a completionist),
Another idea for the rereleases would be to use newer molds/design choices to make updated versions of older figures like Elite 1 Punk with short knee pads, E1 Mysterio in his latest body mold, and I can't think of anything else, idk, redone silky shirts like the newer ones or plastic snap shirt versions of the shirt accessory Elites?
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Post by Matt El. on May 25, 2014 10:01:04 GMT -5
There are only a few elite flashbacks that I do think should be re-released. Not Nash, hes still on Ringside for like $30 which isn't that bad if you really want it. I think the only 2 that should be re-released are E12 Kane and E? Edge(the flashback) because the prices on those 2 are ridiculous sometimes, they should just make a few more to release loose on Ringside or something.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2014 14:18:23 GMT -5
There are only a few elite flashbacks that I do think should be re-released. Not Nash, hes still on Ringside for like $30 which isn't that bad if you really want it. I think the only 2 that should be re-released are E12 Kane and E? Edge(the flashback) because the prices on those 2 are ridiculous sometimes, they should just make a few more to release loose on Ringside or something. I agree with you except that Nash is for $40 and loose and I'm not sure if he complete or not.
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Post by PJ on May 25, 2014 17:51:05 GMT -5
False. You're making the classic mistake of confusing secondary market value with mass retail value. A hundred people willing to pay $60 for something doesn't mean that thirty thousand people are willing to pay $20 for it. If there are 100 willing to pay that much, tgere are plenty others willing to pay retail. I think you're forgetting that a lot of us didn't jump on the mattel band wagon in the beginning. Tgere are a lot more mattel collectors now vs when they first got the rights. Besides, they don't have to make as many as they do normally. They already have all the parts so it's not like they would be producing new figures.. Smaller production run = a higher production cost. That then raises the MSRP which retailers would probably pass on ordering thus cancelling the line. And for personal reasons with so few FB spots to begin with I would rather they don't go to guys who already have figures that I don't need another version or straight rerelease of.
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