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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:36:37 GMT -5
The best thing to ever happen to WWE was the Montreal screwjob and the Shawn Michaels injury. Without the screwjob, Mr McMahon would never have been created, and without that nemesis, Austin wouldn't have risen to the level he did. And if Bret and Shawn were around, their politicking and crybabying would have had negative effects on The Rock, Triple H and Mick Foley. Very true. The most fantasy based part of my dream scenarios above is Bret and HBK dropping their legendary egos & rivalry, realising that they weren't the only two guys anymore at the top. Which ironically could never happen....and its a pity....a Heel Bret led HF feuding with the 98 DX army model fronted by HBK would have tore the house down.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:46:28 GMT -5
The best thing to ever happen to WWE was the Montreal screwjob and the Shawn Michaels injury. Without the screwjob, Mr McMahon would never have been created, and without that nemesis, Austin wouldn't have risen to the level he did. And if Bret and Shawn were around, their politicking and crybabying would have had negative effects on The Rock, Triple H and Mick Foley. I respectfully agree and disagree. Business was already rising for both WCW & WWF at that point. Michael Hayes or someone let it slip there were already talks about bringing Mike Tyson in for Wrestlemania 14 before Bret departed from the company. In fact, it may be believed they let Bret go to give his money to Tyson. The Raw episode where Tyson comes out and Austin "ruins it" for McMahon still could have taken place which would kickstart the Austin/McMahon program the same way. Bret was taking a backseat all the way back in 1995 so I don't see him having an issue with Rock, Austin or Foley getting their moment. Bret's contract was only for 3 more years of wrestling anyway along with 17 years as a backstage/agent position. Bret knew his career was winding down and would've done the right thing, I believe. HBK is another story. Also, if Bret would've stayed it COULD (could) have prevented the deaths of Owen Hart, British Bulldog and his own career ending injury and stroke after getting concussions in WCW and continuing to wrestle against Goldberg.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:48:00 GMT -5
The best thing to ever happen to WWE was the Montreal screwjob and the Shawn Michaels injury. Without the screwjob, Mr McMahon would never have been created, and without that nemesis, Austin wouldn't have risen to the level he did. And if Bret and Shawn were around, their politicking and crybabying would have had negative effects on The Rock, Triple H and Mick Foley. I respectfully agree and disagree. Business was already rising for both WCW & WWF at that point. Michael Hayes or someone let it slip there were already talks about bringing Mike Tyson in for Wrestlemania 14 before Bret departed from the company. In fact, it may be believed they let Bret go to give his money to Tyson. The Raw episode where Tyson comes out and Austin "ruins it" for McMahon still could have taken place which would kickstart the Austin/McMahon program the same way. Bret was taking a backseat all the way back in 1995 so I don't see him having an issue with Rock, Austin or Foley getting their moment. Bret's contract was only for 3 more years of wrestling anyway along with 17 years as a backstage/agent position. Bret knew his career was winding down and would've done the right thing, I believe. HBK is another story. Also, if Bret would've stayed it COULD (could) have prevented the deaths of Owen Hart, British Bulldog and his own career ending injury and stroke after getting concussions in WCW and continuing to wrestle against Goldberg. Good points.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 12:53:26 GMT -5
I truly believe they let Bret go just to do the Tyson angle.
Remember, Tyson had actually appeared originally at Royal Rumble 1998 as a "fan" in the audience which was less than 2 months since Bret's departure.
I also remember Michael Hayes (I believe) say "we had to get Bret out of the way so we could bring Tyson in". Which leads me to believe it was for financial reasons and why Vince told Bret he was suddenly in "financial peril".
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 13:05:38 GMT -5
I actually believe the plan was for Austin vs. Bret at WM14 with Austin finally getting his big win. That would have been the passing of the torch to the Austin era. Shawn/Bret was scheduled for WM13, but Shawn faked an injury to avoid putting Bret over. I assume following WM14, we would have seen a DX/Hart Foundation feud as the Outlaws and X-Pac would have still joined. Austin may have feuded with Undertaker I'm guessing. Bingo AF!! HBK wanted The Outlaws in DX from RR time onwards....BUT Vince convinced him after WM was better because Tyson was in DX and them joining wouldn't have been such a big deal. But they kept the onscreen alliance going wisely. X-Pac was ALWAYS gonna be in DX when he returned. Hell HBK practically demanded it when he found out Waltman was returning. I always thought HBKs character as a face in DX after WM14 would have been a riot... Heres what I would have LIKED to see happen. You must factor in backstage tensions/egos being removed. having been got over etc etc. HBK doesn't get injured at RR Austin eliminates Hart AND Rocky last to win the RR. WM14 looks like this Austin beats HBK for the WWF title(change nothing here its too important) Shamrock still faces Rocky for the IC title Bret,Owen & Davey beat Vader & the Headbangers to wrap up the Canada vs USA stuff(throwaway basically this is just to keep the Harts @ WM so they can start the DX feud) Cactus & Chainsaw defeat the NAO. right after the match the Harts hammer the living crap outta the NAO...... UT vs Kane etc etc etc. Raw after WM remains unchanged EXCEPT the Hart foundation cut a stinging promo on Waltman,HHH & HBK as they stand in the ring reunited. NAO defeat C&C but get attacked again afterwards. Austin STILL gets the Dude Love feud its too good to pass up. Vince begins to court the Harts and their "family values" line to be his guys DX feuds with Harts and Nation all through the summer. Austin defeats Hart & UT @ Summerslam. Austin loses belt in same manner...... Rock continues his rise as a babyface HHH turns on DX @ Deadly games tournament by costing HBK his match against Bret hart in a reversal of the previous SSeries outcome. Bret wins deadly games tourney by defeating Rock. Austin gets screwed the same way. Team Corperate forms with Bret as the main guy,Bulldog/Owen as tag champs,HHH as rising guy Shamrock as IC and Bossman as muscle. we head to 1999 with everything looking like this Austin & DX feuding with Corperate team. Joygasm for JokerFC. IMO Austin going over Bret would have been a way bigger deal. Bret had been the face of the company for the past 5 years, was more decorated and it really would have kicked off Autin's reign with an great feat in beating the guy he'd never beat. Rock was going places even if Bret/Shawn were still there, he was put with the NOD to keep him safe from politics, and Bret was very high on him. The only person I think that would have suffered is HHH as he would have stayed in Shawn's shadow. MAYBE Foley, depending on if he got the chance to continue his feud with Underaker.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2014 13:25:51 GMT -5
HHH could still have shone in his feud with Rock IMO.
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Post by cordless2016 on May 28, 2014 19:26:42 GMT -5
I still say WM14 would have been main eventer by Austin and Bret. Austin spent all of 1997 going after the Hart Foundation and it seemed like they were building for Austin to finally get a clean win over Bret and avenge his loss from the year before. I see Tyson still being a member with DX or playing a wild card in the Austin/Bret feud but I don't see HBK main eventing WM14 if Bret was still around.
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Post by HHH316 on May 28, 2014 21:20:25 GMT -5
I was under the impression we were suppose to get HBK/Bret for WM13's title match. Then at WM14 it'd be Bret/Austin with Austin getting the belt.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:35:08 GMT -5
HHH could still have shone in his feud with Rock IMO. It's possible, but with Bret, Austin, Rock, Undertaker and Shawn all in the main event scene, I don't think there would be a whole lot of room for him.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 12:56:18 GMT -5
HHH could still have shone in his feud with Rock IMO. It's possible, but with Bret, Austin, Rock, Undertaker and Shawn all in the main event scene, I don't think there would be a whole lot of room for him. when he turned on DX like in my scenario he would've feuded with HBK and joined the ME club then. IMO?there was room.
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Post by k5 on May 29, 2014 13:35:18 GMT -5
I truly believe they let Bret go just to do the Tyson angle. Remember, Tyson had actually appeared originally at Royal Rumble 1998 as a "fan" in the audience which was less than 2 months since Bret's departure. I also remember Michael Hayes (I believe) say "we had to get Bret out of the way so we could bring Tyson in". Which leads me to believe it was for financial reasons and why Vince told Bret he was suddenly in "financial peril". that makes far too much sense. how they could do that to the most loyal wrestler in the company is beyond me, and that's almost like a rotten cherry on the top of it all..
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 14:29:48 GMT -5
I truly believe they let Bret go just to do the Tyson angle. Remember, Tyson had actually appeared originally at Royal Rumble 1998 as a "fan" in the audience which was less than 2 months since Bret's departure. I also remember Michael Hayes (I believe) say "we had to get Bret out of the way so we could bring Tyson in". Which leads me to believe it was for financial reasons and why Vince told Bret he was suddenly in "financial peril". that makes far too much sense. how they could do that to the most loyal wrestler in the company is beyond me, and that's almost like a rotten cherry on the top of it all.. It makes me sick too but I honestly believe that's the reason Vince was so adamant about Bret suddenly leaving.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 14:45:35 GMT -5
It's possible, but with Bret, Austin, Rock, Undertaker and Shawn all in the main event scene, I don't think there would be a whole lot of room for him. when he turned on DX like in my scenario he would've feuded with HBK and joined the ME club then. IMO?there was room. It's possible. I always personally felt that Triple H was made a star because he was out of Shawn's shadow. But you could be right. that makes far too much sense. how they could do that to the most loyal wrestler in the company is beyond me, and that's almost like a rotten cherry on the top of it all.. It makes me sick too but I honestly believe that's the reason Vince was so adamant about Bret suddenly leaving. The recent realisation about Vince trying to get Warrior may also have been a factor. He didn't mind losing Bret in 96 after WM when he was getting Warrior.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 9:12:52 GMT -5
when he turned on DX like in my scenario he would've feuded with HBK and joined the ME club then. IMO?there was room. It's possible. I always personally felt that Triple H was made a star because he was out of Shawn's shadow. But you could be right. . ya see I always figured HBK would've done Trojan work trying to elevate his buddy past the Rock(who's rise was destined to become a reality and wouldn't have been hurt eitherway)
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 9:35:06 GMT -5
It's possible. I always personally felt that Triple H was made a star because he was out of Shawn's shadow. But you could be right. . ya see I always figured HBK would've done Trojan work trying to elevate his buddy past the Rock(who's rise was destined to become a reality and wouldn't have been hurt eitherway) I guess that's a possibility, he only wanted to work with Kliq members as champion in 96 so you could be right.
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