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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 17, 2014 23:30:11 GMT -5
Our species is obsessed with the concepts involving the process known as death.
Our ignorance to the aftermath of life, is the seed of fear itself.
However, there is little to no material on the subject of pre-existence.
The fact(for all intents & purposes) that before you were conceived, you did not exist.
Mark Twain's response to one of humanity's viral questions sheds light on a literally dark subject.
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Samuel L. Clemons.
So my question is this.
What is the reason/cause behind the human obsession with what can only be scientifically described as "returning to non-existence," but we practically never examine the implications of having not existed before?
I literally mean the IMPLICATIONS of that concept. As in the conclusions that follow the conclusion that we are technically returning to "From whence we came," when we die.
Enjoy the thread, & I excitedly await the cheers, jeers, jokes, memes, & well constructed rebuttals.
Thank you,
William
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Post by Colter on Jun 17, 2014 23:32:27 GMT -5
Nothing bothered me before I was born.
I doubt anything will disturb me when I croak.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 23:43:34 GMT -5
I dunno. I believe in ghosts because I have seen many first hand, but I don't believe in Heaven or Hell...the true answer is I dunno. I think we live on as spirits until we pass on and fade away into nothingness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 23:48:25 GMT -5
Because we will all have to face what happens after we kill over and will spend a lifetime thinking about it.
Besides, we all know our "pre-existance" was spent floating around in a ballsack.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 17, 2014 23:52:10 GMT -5
Because we will all have to face what happens after we kill over and will spend a lifetime thinking about it. Besides, we all know our "pre-existance" was spent floating around in a ballsack. Good point lol |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 17, 2014 23:58:25 GMT -5
Because we will all have to face what happens after we kill over and will spend a lifetime thinking about it. Besides, we all know our "pre-existance" was spent floating around in a ballsack. Technically pre-existence was before that. Imagine not existing in any fashion, outside of being a hypothesized person predicted to exist someday. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 0:02:55 GMT -5
Because we will all have to face what happens after we kill over and will spend a lifetime thinking about it. Besides, we all know our "pre-existance" was spent floating around in a ballsack. Ah ballsack days....those were good times, pre-life was so much easier.... |
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Post by CF9™ on Jun 18, 2014 0:03:40 GMT -5
Because it already happened. We don't have to deal with it. Post-existence, is something very much on our menu and very  ing scary if you think too much about it. You know what is ing crazy to me? Unlike sperm, which is destroyed and reproduced all the time, women's eggs are the same since birth (unless I misheard that crap in health class...). So take whatever year your mother was born, and half of you has been around since then. . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 0:09:25 GMT -5
Because we will all have to face what happens after we kill over and will spend a lifetime thinking about it. Besides, we all know our "pre-existance" was spent floating around in a ballsack. Technically pre-existence was before that. Imagine not existing in any fashion, outside of being a hypothesized person predicted to exist someday. We were either floating around in the ether or were living some past life. |
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Post by The Yes Man on Jun 18, 2014 0:10:37 GMT -5
I tend not to think about pre or post existence. I have personal beliefs about them, but I'm not going to personally be able to prove them true. I figure, I wasn't around when it started so I don't care. And when I'm dead it's to late anyway. Interesting post though, I genuinely enjoy reading your posts.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Jun 18, 2014 1:05:03 GMT -5
So in other words, you either ended up in someone's mouth or you were born.
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Post by 0,Y on Jun 18, 2014 9:45:34 GMT -5
Very interesting topic. I spent a lot of time thinking about pre-existence but I gave up since I'll never figure it out (obviousliously).
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 18, 2014 10:48:03 GMT -5
Technically pre-existence was before that. Imagine not existing in any fashion, outside of being a hypothesized person predicted to exist someday. We were either floating around in the ether or were living some past life. Why do you exclude the possibility of a third option? This a sincere question, no animosity involved whatsoever. |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 18, 2014 10:51:41 GMT -5
Very interesting topic. I spent a lot of time thinking about pre-existence but I gave up since I'll never figure it out (obviousliously). The seemingly unattainable answer is that which you shouldn't give up on. We truly don't know what we will comprehend or discover, before it's all said & done. You think Alexander Graham Bell envisioned the iPhone or the Bluetooth? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2014 15:12:39 GMT -5
We were either floating around in the ether or were living some past life. Why do you exclude the possibility of a third option? This a sincere question, no animosity involved whatsoever. What other options are there other than nothing or a past life? I exclude a third option because I don't know of one. |
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Post by 0,Y on Jun 18, 2014 16:58:50 GMT -5
Very interesting topic. I spent a lot of time thinking about pre-existence but I gave up since I'll never figure it out (obviousliously). The seemingly unattainable answer is that which you shouldn't give up on. We truly don't know what we will comprehend or discover, before it's all said & done. You think Alexander Graham Bell envisioned the iPhone or the Bluetooth? Well that's a good point. But there seem to be certain natural boundaries that even the ever advancing technology can't overcome. |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 19, 2014 2:41:43 GMT -5
The seemingly unattainable answer is that which you shouldn't give up on. We truly don't know what we will comprehend or discover, before it's all said & done. You think Alexander Graham Bell envisioned the iPhone or the Bluetooth? Well that's a good point. But there seem to be certain natural boundaries that even the ever advancing technology can't overcome. Is there any evidence that any of your descendants over the next ten generations will come within figurative sight of that boundary? If not, then do yourself & the a service by engaging in & promoting scientific, philosophical, & artistic inquiry. This is why I aspire to be an educator. Clearly in terms of punctuation, I have a ways to go. |
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 19, 2014 2:52:29 GMT -5
Why do you exclude the possibility of a third option? This a sincere question, no animosity involved whatsoever. What other options are there other than nothing or a past life? I exclude a third option because I don't know of one. That is defined as an "argument from ignorance" in philosophy. We do not know all of the possibilities. Obviously I respect your observation due to it's basis of evidence. I love it actually as it's the only valid means of justifying an observation. However, we still have to remember that evidence can be described as "surprise mail from the universe." You don't know when or where in that enormous mailbox it will arrive, but you'll always find something to support or disprove claims. My point is to take that uncertainty as a positive. The possibility of humanity discovering an afterlife grander than any religion could have hypothesized, or a realization about life so profoundly beautiful, that an end to our existence is no longer feared, but greeted with dignity is just as possible as any other hypothesis of a negative variety. Don't forget to be awesome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2014 3:21:54 GMT -5
What other options are there other than nothing or a past life? I exclude a third option because I don't know of one. That is defined as an "argument from ignorance" in philosophy. We do not know all of the possibilities. Obviously I respect your observation due to it's basis of evidence. I love it actually as it's the only valid means of justifying an observation. However, we still have to remember that evidence can be described as "surprise mail from the universe." You don't know when or where in that enormous mailbox it will arrive, but you'll always find something to support or disprove claims. My point is to take that uncertainty as a positive. The possibility of humanity discovering an afterlife grander than any religion could have hypothesized, or a realization about life so profoundly beautiful, that an end to our existence is no longer feared, but greeted with dignity is just as possible as any other hypothesis of a negative variety. Don't forget to be awesome. I'd be curious to hear what other options you may have thought of, because it is something I think about from time to time, what went on before all this. Here's something you might dig, I've never talked to anyone about this so I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. I don't necessarily believe in reincarnation, but sometimes laying in bed or standing in the shower I'll think about it and I've formed a theory on it. I believe in heaven either way, some divine place we go to when we're done here, but my theory is there's not a hell in the traditional sense, being hellfire and brimstone and the devil and eternal torture, my theory is if reincarnation is legit, that we're only reincarnated if we don't gain entrance into heaven, be it we murdered or we fail in the purpose of life (if you don't remember, I believe the purpose of life is to reproduce and continue life on earth) or whatever we did or didn't do in our past life, and we are sent back here until we fulfill life's purpose and don't do anything to hinder the continuation of life (not murdering, aborting, etc). My theory is hell is an interpretation of earth, an undivine place full of hurt where bad things are constantly occurring. My theory is if anything happened before this life, it's we were denied entrance in heaven and sent to 'hell', meaning you are reincarnated on this earth until you fulfill your duty on earth. idk if that came out understandably or not. |
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jun 21, 2014 18:33:18 GMT -5
I suppose its because it has already happened. Humanity (me included, to an extent) spends far too much time worrying about the future (yet not enough on the things that count such as climate change, but to go any further would be to derail the topic) and nowhere near enough learning from the past. Its part of the reason I did a history degree.
I often worry about death. Its by far my biggest fear. I find I have a frustrating need to rationalise everything in my life (this can lead, once a year or so, to me literally sitting in silence for 3 hours with the TV paused whilst I follow a train of thought in my head) and death is the one thing I have been utterly unable to rationalise. There are things that I keep coming back to, but I at least end the thoughts with an acceptance of whatever needs accepting before looking at a different facet another day. If I start thinking about death I scare myself within a matter of minutes and force myself to change topic.
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