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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 21:11:40 GMT -5
You are contradicting yourself. Read your own words: "I did ask how licensing would work if wwe & mattle wanted to produce an action figure belt of one of one thier classic belts they've made for wcw. Dave Millican said he and Reggie would be more than willing to work out an easy deal for that to happen." So if Vince owns the intellectual property, then what deal is "he and Reggie" talking about?? Either WWE owns it, and it isn't up to these people to make the decision, or they own it, in which case what I already said hold true. Which is it? If I had to guess I would say wwe would have to renew some kind deal with Dave & Reggie, like they did when they brought back the classic intercontinental. Once wwe did that I believe Mattel would be able to produce the belt. To think Vince doesn't own the wcw belt is ridiculous. They feature it in video games, they make deluxe replica belts of it. So mattel making an action figure version of it is not as far fetched as you'd like to believe. Why so negative bro? First you say Dave and Reggie would work out a deal for their intellectual property. Then you say VInce owns the intellectual property. THEN you say "if" they can work out deal themselves it can be done. I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic. You're all over the place.  It has been said millions of times: video game deals, action figure deals, TV deals are not the same thing. Vince leased the rights to the WCW belts. He owns the rights to the others probably because he bought them. Video game representations are different. It's easier to produce one digital graphic and recopy it. 2k or Yukes or whoever made a deal with your homeboys. Ask them. They told you everything you need to know if you just listen to them. 1) They own the rights, not Vince. 2) Mattel has obviously not approached them for a deal. Just because they may have designed WWE and WCW belts doesn't mean that they ALL come in a packaged deal. Each one is its own intellectual creation. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 21:27:37 GMT -5
If I had to guess I would say wwe would have to renew some kind deal with Dave & Reggie, like they did when they brought back the classic intercontinental. Once wwe did that I believe Mattel would be able to produce the belt. To think Vince doesn't own the wcw belt is ridiculous. They feature it in video games, they make deluxe replica belts of it. So mattel making an action figure version of it is not as far fetched as you'd like to believe. Why so negative bro? First you say Dave and Reggie would work out a deal for their intellectual property. Then you say VInce owns the intellectual property. THEN you say "if" they can work out deal themselves it can be done. I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic. You're all over the place. It has been said millions of times: video game deals, action figure deals, TV deals are not the same thing. Vince leased the rights to the WCW belts. He owns the rights to the others probably because he bought them. Video game representations are different. It's easier to produce one digital graphic and recopy it. 2k or Yukes or whoever made a deal with your homeboys. Ask them. They told you everything you need to know if you just listen to them. 1) They own the rights, not Vince. 2) Mattel has obviously not approached them for a deal. Just because they may have designed WWE and WCW belts doesn't mean that they ALL come in a packaged deal. Each one is its own intellectual creation. Your obsession with the need to be right when your basically arguing with yourself is endless man. I'm perfectly fine with what Dave Millican told me, thats its very possible for this stuff to happen. You're obsessed with proving to yourself that the possibility is outrageous and will never happen. I disagree. Its just as plain and simple as that. I disagree. You won't have any luck changing my opinion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 21:49:24 GMT -5
First you say Dave and Reggie would work out a deal for their intellectual property. Then you say VInce owns the intellectual property. THEN you say "if" they can work out deal themselves it can be done. I'm not being negative. I'm being realistic. You're all over the place. It has been said millions of times: video game deals, action figure deals, TV deals are not the same thing. Vince leased the rights to the WCW belts. He owns the rights to the others probably because he bought them. Video game representations are different. It's easier to produce one digital graphic and recopy it. 2k or Yukes or whoever made a deal with your homeboys. Ask them. They told you everything you need to know if you just listen to them. 1) They own the rights, not Vince. 2) Mattel has obviously not approached them for a deal. Just because they may have designed WWE and WCW belts doesn't mean that they ALL come in a packaged deal. Each one is its own intellectual creation. Your obsession with the need to be right when your basically arguing with yourself is endless man. I'm perfectly fine with what Dave Millican told me, thats its very possible for this stuff to happen. You're obsessed with proving to yourself that the possibility is outrageous and will never happen. I disagree. Its just as plain and simple as that. I disagree. You won't have any luck changing my opinion. How is it that I'm arguing with myself when it's you who is saying contradictory things? And I say "saying" because you haven't taken any of it back. It seems like you're so bent on getting it that you'll fabric whatever "reality" is now most plausible in your head. "They said they'd be willing to work out a deal! No, what a minute, Vince owns the intellectual property! Yeah! No wait, I mean it's possible it could be done. Yeah, its possible. Why are you so negative?" Your opinion is based on antithetical fantasies. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 22:06:53 GMT -5
How is it that I'm arguing with myself when it's you who is saying contradictory things? And I say "saying" because you haven't taken any of it back. It seems like you're so bent on getting it that you'll fabric whatever "reality" is now most plausible in your head. "They said they'd be willing to work out a deal! No, what a minute, Vince owns the intellectual property! Yeah! No wait, I mean it's possible it could be done. Yeah, its possible. Why are you so negative?" Your opinion is based on antithetical fantasies. Jesus Christ you're nuts buddy. Vince owns the physical belt. Dave & Reggie own its design and likeness. If all parties involved wanted to make a figure version of the belt it could happen. And just because I know that you are one of those hardon's obsessed with the last word im not going to give you that satisfaction, so knock yourself out buddy, im up all night lets dance ;-) "If" seems to be your favorite word. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Up all night? I live in China. It's 11am here. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 22:08:41 GMT -5
Your obsession with the need to be right when your basically arguing with yourself is endless man. I'm perfectly fine with what Dave Millican told me, thats its very possible for this stuff to happen. You're obsessed with proving to yourself that the possibility is outrageous and will never happen. I disagree. Its just as plain and simple as that. I disagree. You won't have any luck changing my opinion. How is it that I'm arguing with myself when it's you who is saying contradictory things? And I say "saying" because you haven't taken any of it back. It seems like you're so bent on getting it that you'll fabric whatever "reality" is now most plausible in your head. "They said they'd be willing to work out a deal! No, what a minute, Vince owns the intellectual property! Yeah! No wait, I mean it's possible it could be done. Yeah, its possible. Why are you so negative?" Your opinion is based on antithetical fantasies. Vince owns the physical belt. Reggie and Dave own the design and likeness of the belt if all parties involved wanted to make a figure version of the belt it could happen. You can italix and quote me all you want knock yourself out. Theres nothing contradictory about what I said. Your obsessed with proving yourself right your mind is twisting simple points I've made into two different statements when they are all one in the same. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 22:12:19 GMT -5
Jesus Christ you're nuts buddy. Vince owns the physical belt. Dave & Reggie own its design and likeness. If all parties involved wanted to make a figure version of the belt it could happen. And just because I know that you are one of those hardon's obsessed with the last word im not going to give you that satisfaction, so knock yourself out buddy, im up all night lets dance ;-) "If" seems to be your favorite word. If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas. Up all night? I live in China. It's 11am here. I took that down, thats not how I want to represent myself and my friends. Im man enough to take those words back. So we disagree eh? That works for me. |
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Post by inkboy83 on Jun 20, 2014 22:18:21 GMT -5
I would like to see the Vader time look.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 22:18:41 GMT -5
How is it that I'm arguing with myself when it's you who is saying contradictory things? And I say "saying" because you haven't taken any of it back. It seems like you're so bent on getting it that you'll fabric whatever "reality" is now most plausible in your head. "They said they'd be willing to work out a deal! No, what a minute, Vince owns the intellectual property! Yeah! No wait, I mean it's possible it could be done. Yeah, its possible. Why are you so negative?" Your opinion is based on antithetical fantasies. Vince owns the physical belt. Reggie and Dave own the design and likeness of the belt if all parties involved wanted to make a figure version of the belt it could happen. You can italix and quote me all you want knock yourself out. Theres nothing contradictory about what I said. Your obsessed with proving yourself right your mind is twisting simple points I've made into two different statements when they are all one in the same. Let's see. You email these people and they gave you no inclination whatsoever that Mattel has made an effort to license their product. You said yourself they would be willing to work out a deal. That's the issue. Mattel isn't willing. They've had the license for over five years now, and that includes a run with a legends series, legends two packs, mattycollector, and flashbacks. And through all of that Mattel has not even approached them showing interest in a deal. And how many figs has Mattel made that could have had these belts? DDP, Arn, Tully, Vader (legends), the planned Magnum TA, etc. Mattel doesn't have to pay any extra costs for belts that the WWE can freely use. When these WCW belts appear in the video game, it says at the beginning who owns the rights to them. 2K has reached out, because to them it's easy and it's worth it. If you're Mattel, why pay royalty fees for an accessory when you can either make you own or use one of the dozens of designs WWE has the free right to use themselves? Independent deals cost money. Is it possible? Yes, IF they want to make it happen. But has it happened yet? Is it likely to happen? No and no. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 22:21:21 GMT -5
Vince owns the physical belt. Reggie and Dave own the design and likeness of the belt if all parties involved wanted to make a figure version of the belt it could happen. You can italix and quote me all you want knock yourself out. Theres nothing contradictory about what I said. Your obsessed with proving yourself right your mind is twisting simple points I've made into two different statements when they are all one in the same. Let's see. You email these people and they gave you no inclination whatsoever that Mattel has made an effort to license their product. You said yourself they would be willing to work out a deal. That's the issue. Mattel isn't willing. They've had the license for over five years now, and that includes a run with a legends series, legends two packs, mattycollector, and flashbacks. And through all of that Mattel has not even approached them showing interest in a deal. And how many figs has Mattel made that could have had these belts? DDP, Arn, Tully, Vader (legends), the planned Magnum TA, etc. Mattel doesn't have to pay any extra costs for belts that the WWE can freely use. When these WCW belts appear in the video game, it says at the beginning who owns the rights to them. 2K has reached out, because to them it's easy and it's worth it. If you're Mattel, why pay royalty fees for an accessory when you can either make you own or use one of the dozens of designs WWE has the free right to use themselves? Independent deals cost money. Is it possible? Yes, IF they want to make it happen. But has it happened yet? Is it likely to happen? No and no. Wow. You love your point. You've made it. You've probably even changed a few peoples opinion on this topic. NOT MINE. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 22:26:44 GMT -5
@bigbossman btw, being in China can you score me the fujita figure that comes with the IWGP world heavyweight belt? I like rare figure belts ;-) message me with info thank u my goid sir ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 22:29:50 GMT -5
Let's see. You email these people and they gave you no inclination whatsoever that Mattel has made an effort to license their product. You said yourself they would be willing to work out a deal. That's the issue. Mattel isn't willing. They've had the license for over five years now, and that includes a run with a legends series, legends two packs, mattycollector, and flashbacks. And through all of that Mattel has not even approached them showing interest in a deal. And how many figs has Mattel made that could have had these belts? DDP, Arn, Tully, Vader (legends), the planned Magnum TA, etc. Mattel doesn't have to pay any extra costs for belts that the WWE can freely use. When these WCW belts appear in the video game, it says at the beginning who owns the rights to them. 2K has reached out, because to them it's easy and it's worth it. If you're Mattel, why pay royalty fees for an accessory when you can either make you own or use one of the dozens of designs WWE has the free right to use themselves? Independent deals cost money. Is it possible? Yes, IF they want to make it happen. But has it happened yet? Is it likely to happen? No and no. Wow. You love your point. You've made it. You've probably even changed a few peoples opinion on this topic. NOT MINE. I'm not trying to change your opinion. I'm just trying to help you understand why it hasn't happened and why it won't happen. Everything I've asserted is based on objective fact; yours is based on hypothetical wishes that have zero precedence. Has Mattel reach out to these people in their 5+ year history making WWE figs? No. Will Mattel have to pay extra to use these WCW belts with their figs? Yes. It stands to reason then that it won't happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 22:31:23 GMT -5
@bigbossman btw, being in China can you score me the fujita figure that cones with the IWGP world heavyweight belt? I like rare figure belts ;-) message me with info thank u my goid sir ;-) I don't have the room in my suitcase. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 22:36:15 GMT -5
@bigbossman btw, being in China can you score me the fujita figure that cones with the IWGP world heavyweight belt? I like rare figure belts ;-) message me with info thank u my goid sir ;-) I don't have the room in my suitcase. No prob maybe next time ;-) Good conversation tho. I believe in the possibility, of course its wishful thinking I wouldn't have emailed Dave & Reggie or brought it up in this thread if I wasn't wishing for that belt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 22:39:56 GMT -5
I don't have the room in my suitcase. No prob maybe next time ;-) Good conversation tho. I believe in the possibility, of course its wishful thinking I wouldn't have emailed Dave & Reggie or brought it up in this thread if I wasn't wishing for that belt. I agree. it got a little out of bounds there but we brought it back in. I think you should email Dave & Reggie again and encourage THEM to reach out to Mattel. I know they're artists and they gotta live, but I bet if they said, "We're willing to bend over backwards to make it happen just because we think it would be cool to see our designs in action figure form" they'd probably do it. |
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jun 20, 2014 22:59:25 GMT -5
@bigbossman
I will definitely mention that to them next reply I get. It is like you said a huge long shot, but Bill always says if the demand is there, they will do thier best. But until we hear matty has Simmons and Sting under contract the desire for that belt in Flair, Luger and Vader reissues might remain quite low.
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Post by villians on Jun 21, 2014 0:22:08 GMT -5
Sooooo about that Vader figure....yeah....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 1:30:56 GMT -5
If he's in 1996-1997 WWF "Vader Time" attire then this may get me back into collecting.
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