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Post by rustyy on Jun 22, 2014 18:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah, most don't make it to the top but some that do would be Daniel Bryan, randy orton (except lk days). They may draw you in but it's so boring to me, because it's not a sport, without the story it's just a match with no meaning. That's why I hate tournaments, beat the clocks and everything of the sort where it's just guy a vs guy b. And sabu was the only person who couldn't talk that could draw me in, but he had a mouth piece always. Then you don't truly love Professional Wrestling. Don't tell me what I truly love. I love wrestling but I love it for different reasons than you do. I like the story and the pay off, not if you know 11 variations of a headlock and can chain wrestle for 25 minutes. I'd watch UFC for that.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jun 22, 2014 18:24:47 GMT -5
I honestly can't think of someone who was pushed heavily without the ability to cut a promo. I've seen them pushed in the midcard like John Morrison and Curtis Axel, but I can't remember a legit main eventer who couldn't cut a promo. Yeah, most don't make it to the top but some that do would be Daniel Bryan, randy orton (except lk days). There's no such thing as a truly great in-ring talent that can't create meaning in a match out of thin-air. Bret Hart & Billy Robinson are proof of this. The true greats of this craft can make you interested without a word spoken, or suck you right in before they lift a finger, so the spectrum goes both ways. You present a valid point though. However, if the talent in question is skilled in adapting to the style of their opponent, then they can add to the match's story by in-ring work alone. To be pedantic, ring work includes fan interaction skills such as infuriating fans or drawing their sympathy. They may draw you in but it's so boring to me, because it's not a sport, without the story it's just a match with no meaning. That's why I hate tournaments, beat the clocks and everything of the sort where it's just guy a vs guy b. And sabu was the only person who couldn't talk that could draw me in, but he had a mouth piece always. Winner winner chicken dinner...which goes back to to a statement I saw earlier, "sports entertainment" the only reason anything today should be called "professional wrestling" is because they're paid (being paid makes you a professional) there is very little to nothing in common between professional wrestling and the various types of amateur wrestling.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2014 18:32:55 GMT -5
And it was Professional Wrestling for literally 100 years(Appearing in print as early as 1874-6) before 1980. And a very small percentage of the people who do the "I HATE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT" crying were watching before 1980. It's just nonsense hipsterism. People came on the Internet, saw the anti-WWF idiots complaining about it, and jumped on the bandwagon because keyboards are for hating with. Nobody of my generation or younger has ever hated the term "sports entertainment" for any other reason than they are easily led and some third-rate Meltzer was hating it when they first started reading dirtsheets and forums. In your case, I can understand it because of the 1920s Sandow gimmick. It makes sense that you would hate a term that came into prominence during the industry's 80s revolution, because it's a clear separation from the old black-and-white headlockfests etc. But when people are crying about the term sports entertainment yet they both got into wrestling via the sports entertainment company and want everything to be like what the sports entertainment company was doing in 1998, it doesn't make sense to hate the term. It's hypocritical. It's like when people complain the titles are meaningless now, yet demand that WWE has to give Daniel Bryan the world title because it means something.
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jun 22, 2014 18:35:25 GMT -5
Some of you guys are truly miserable. You want them to leave to tvs in the table when they get slammed through them? Do you have any idea how much more dangerous that would make the spot for both wrestlers? Just shows you that you really don't care for them, this sport or their safety at all. I tried very hard to not post in this thread, but I couldn't let that slide. Kindly read the entire post before commenting. The thread asked about pet peeves. Little things in the world of wrestling that bothered you. That's it. Simple. Only one displaying misery is you. Oh, and add you to my pet peeve list.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 19:06:54 GMT -5
And it was Professional Wrestling for literally 100 years(Appearing in print as early as 1874-6) before 1980. And a very small percentage of the people who do the "I HATE SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT" crying were watching before 1980. It's just nonsense hipsterism. People came on the Internet, saw the anti-WWF idiots complaining about it, and jumped on the bandwagon because keyboards are for hating with. Nobody of my generation or younger has ever hated the term "sports entertainment" for any other reason than they are easily led and some third-rate Meltzer was hating it when they first started reading dirtsheets and forums. In your case, I can understand it because of the 1920s Sandow gimmick. It makes sense that you would hate a term that came into prominence during the industry's 80s revolution, because it's a clear separation from the old black-and-white headlockfests etc. But when people are crying about the term sports entertainment yet they both got into wrestling via the sports entertainment company and want everything to be like what the sports entertainment company was doing in 1998, it doesn't make sense to hate the term. It's hypocritical. It's like when people complain the titles are meaningless now, yet demand that WWE has to give Daniel Bryan the world title because it means something. You're seriously going to call my interest in wrestling history a gimmick? Are you honestly incapable of imagining a world where people are passionate about something you don't enjoy? I hate elaborate cooking, but would never mock someone who dedicated the majority of their lifetime to transforming an everyday necessity into edible art. Secondly, I have been more contrived than ever because of you. I find the majority of colloquial language is unable to explain my points. I went out of my way to eat my own foot, apologize to you & take your criticism as constructive & you still want to mock me? I do not care for the term. It's pointless. There shouldn't have been a need for it. It exists due to the shame a promoter felt about his business, & the negative image surrounding it. Anyways, I don't possess an affinity for just 1920s Entertaining Sports. I enjoy studying it's entire time scale which technically dates back to the first humans, but I formalize my cut-off point for everyone else's sake. I apologize for any animosity, but I couldn't possibly be more exhausted with your attitude towards the thing you claim to enjoy. Do you feel no form of dept to the people who made your world as positive as it is? It's a Hell-Hole quite often, but where else in the universe or in history would you rather be? We've won the history power-ball lottery. The absolute least anyone alive could do, is to at least acknowledge those innovators, pioneers, & martyrs for making this world suck less. There would be no WWE without the Gold-Dust Trio. I don't see how appreciating that makes me bad. When I'm arrogant, rude, or hot-headed earns me mockery.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2014 19:21:52 GMT -5
There would be no WWE without the Gold-Dust Trio. I wasn't mocking you or saying you're bad, man. I kinda dig your gimmick, and I know it comes from a real place, as many of the best ones do. Like Abdullah the Butcher said about DDP back when he was just starting out, "he's gonna make it, Jack. He lives the gimmick." No offence meant, merely explaining that it makes more sense for you to hate the term than for people who generally don't watch much/anything pre-sports entertainment.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Jun 22, 2014 19:23:04 GMT -5
When wrestling companies try to copy something topical that happens. For example, Piper & Goldust's highway chase (like the OJ Simpson fiasco). Batista interrupting people during a promo with dorky sunglasses on (like Kanye & Taylor Swift). And most recent, Dixie Carter going off on someone in an elevator "captured on security footage" (like Solange Knowles & Jay Z).
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jun 22, 2014 19:40:53 GMT -5
Finishers being watered down to nothing. Annoying irrelevant chants during perfectly good segments. CM Punk chant. (its annoying enough to earn its own spot) Dancing and Musically based gimmicks. Divas being damsels in distress as soon as they are integrated into a story featuring a male performer. Wrestlers who get 30 squash matches before they are challenged. Barfing for comedy. Shaemus' spiked hair. The lack of using a Ref as part of the match, for storytelling. Too many cowardly heels. The Big Ending finisher. Looks soo crappy, and low impact.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 19:41:46 GMT -5
There would be no WWE without the Gold-Dust Trio. I wasn't mocking you or saying you're bad, man. I kinda dig your gimmick, and I know it comes from a real place, as many of the best ones do. Like Abdullah the Butcher said about DDP back when he was just starting out, "he's gonna make it, Jack. He lives the gimmick." No offence meant, merely explaining that it makes more sense for you to hate the term than for people who generally don't watch much/anything pre-sports entertainment. LMAO! I almost knew that was coming. Thank you by the way. You've helped me tremendously over the course of my membership. One more thing. If I could go back to the 20s, I'd only want to go to one card. If I were allowed to travel back to the 70s however, I almost wouldn't be able to get myself to come back. Imagine convincing a full head of hair having George Carlin to sit with you FRONT ROW RINGSIDE in the Garden, while you heckle Bobby Duncan as he tries to get one over on Peter Maivia? Holy shirt what a dream... So is "Gimmick" an insult or not?
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Post by Danger10 on Jun 22, 2014 19:45:08 GMT -5
Finishers being watered down to nothing.Annoying irrelevant chants during perfectly good segments. CM Punk chant. (its annoying enough to earn its own spot) Dancing and Musically based gimmicks. Divas being damsels in distress as soon as they are integrated into a story featuring a male performer. Wrestlers who get 30 squash matches before they are challenged. Barfing for comedy. Shaemus' spiked hair. The lack of using a Ref as part of the match, for storytelling. Too many cowardly heels. The Big Ending finisher. Looks soo crappy, and low impact. This, back in the day a finisher meant something. You knew the match was over once someone got their finisher in. It was a big deal when someone kicked out of a finisher, cause it hardly ever happened. It should be saved for big matches, nowadays a finisher is just another move.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 22, 2014 19:51:17 GMT -5
So is "Gimmick" an insult or not?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jun 22, 2014 20:14:57 GMT -5
So is "Gimmick" an insult or not? That clears up..... so MUCH! Besides, I can't be that smart. I feed the Slam City monster that eats the Elite budget. I'm more accustomed to handling small things in my hands, so the small-scale figures are perfect.
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Post by ✖ AJ on Jun 22, 2014 21:32:06 GMT -5
How do people not like JBL and his crazy, repetitive sayings?
HAHA! I LOVE IT WHEN HE DOES THAT!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 21:34:25 GMT -5
As a kid, I HATED when the referee would clearly count 3, but the guy wouldn't kick out. I remember Hebner doing it a lot.
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Post by BROKEN on Jun 22, 2014 21:38:25 GMT -5
I hate when they bury guys who used to main event
Cough cough ziggler
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Post by Captain Charisma on Jun 22, 2014 21:43:49 GMT -5
as much as I like Punk, have always been annoyed how he communicates to opponents in the ring.
He never hides it well enough
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Post by Barney Stinson on Jun 22, 2014 21:51:00 GMT -5
It always bugs me when a wrestler hits a match ending move and the guy is near the ropes and they hook the inside leg just for the sole purpose of leaving their outside leg open to put on the ropes when every other time the outside leg is hooked.
Not as bad, but it always bugged me that Kurt Angle would go for the standing ankle lock like 20 times in every match and it always got reversed, yet when he grapevines it no one ever got out and always tapped. Realistically, why not just grapevine the ankle lock from the start and eliminate any chance of reversal or escape?
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Post by Darkhawk on Jun 22, 2014 22:06:29 GMT -5
Sheamus getting beat down throughout the whole match and gets a Brogue kick and ends up winning. Perfect example is Barrett vs. Sheamus MITB qualifying match a few weeks ago.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jun 22, 2014 22:58:54 GMT -5
My pet peeves watching wrestling is when the crowd chants things like "This is awesome" when something not that awesome has happened, or when fans start chanting "You still got it" for anyone returning after years of wrestling, yet they didn't do anything worth the chant. Ricky Steamboat is the only one I've seen that deserved that "You still got it" chant.
My pet peeve on the internet is people misusing the word "bury" when it comes to how a wrestler is being used or when one of their favorites aren't being pushed the way they want them to be (Ziggler, Sandow as example)
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Post by punksnotdead on Jun 22, 2014 23:08:11 GMT -5
I'm sure there are a few but the one that stands out is Sheamus doing his chest punches when the guy is tied up in the ropes. He should be disqualified every single match.
I guess another would be when Michael Cole points out mistakes. Instead of brushing over a comment or covering up for a mistake, he will point it out and laugh and make a big deal out of stuff that a lot of the audience probably wouldn't have even noticed. I don't know if that's coming from his ear/Vince or what but it drives me crazy when he makes people look bad on purpose for pretty much no reason. I think it has to do a ton with his delivery since he comes off so snarky 90% of the time.
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