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Post by Chip on Jun 26, 2014 15:54:03 GMT -5
interesting to hear a REAL perspective on this whole thing, and to be honest it's believable....way more than any of the other bullcrapwe've read/heard. and since it's coming from a guy who is as close to CM Punk as anyone in life, I absolutely believe that is the final conclusion. And OBVIOUSLY the WWE isn't too pissed off about it because they aren't suing Punk for breach of contract....which, if he walked out without their consent, they would absolutely do.
I wonder if we ever will get the 100% complete/true story from Punk himself about this. I wonder if he is going to come back at some point. A lot of questions, that was my only gripe with this whole situation....hell CM Punk is still on the "active roster" page of WWE.com....and they removed EVERYONE else that has been released so far.
it still amazes me how people can't understand "burn out" in life. and somehow that makes a person selfish yet the same people claiming punk was selfish and doesn't care blah blah are probably posting about it on their twitters either before or after their latest selfie of them at some concert or park...
hypocrisy is running rampant in this country and it's getting worse by the day
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 26, 2014 15:57:16 GMT -5
interesting to hear a REAL perspective on this whole thing, and to be honest it's believable....way more than any of the other bullcrap we've read/heard. and since it's coming from a guy who is as close to CM Punk as anyone in life, I absolutely believe that is the final conclusion. And OBVIOUSLY the WWE isn't too pissed off about it because they aren't suing Punk for breach of contract....which, if he walked out without their consent, they would absolutely do. I wonder if we ever will get the 100% complete/true story from Punk himself about this. I wonder if he is going to come back at some point. A lot of questions, that was my only gripe with this whole situation....hell CM Punk is still on the "active roster" page of WWE.com....and they removed EVERYONE else that has been released so far. it still amazes me how people can't understand "burn out" in life. and somehow that makes a person selfish yet the same people claiming punk was selfish and doesn't care blah blah are probably posting about it on their twitters either before or after their latest selfie of them at some concert or park... hypocrisy is running rampant in this country and it's getting worse by the day You could tell in his late 2013 run, besides the Brock Lesnar match, that he was burnt out. He didn't look or wrestle like the same CM Punk. Maybe had he stayed away for longer after WrestleMania 29, he might still be around.
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Post by Sleazyness on Jun 26, 2014 16:19:13 GMT -5
interesting to hear a REAL perspective on this whole thing, and to be honest it's believable....way more than any of the other bullcrap we've read/heard. and since it's coming from a guy who is as close to CM Punk as anyone in life, I absolutely believe that is the final conclusion. And OBVIOUSLY the WWE isn't too pissed off about it because they aren't suing Punk for breach of contract....which, if he walked out without their consent, they would absolutely do. I wonder if we ever will get the 100% complete/true story from Punk himself about this. I wonder if he is going to come back at some point. A lot of questions, that was my only gripe with this whole situation....hell CM Punk is still on the "active roster" page of WWE.com....and they removed EVERYONE else that has been released so far. it still amazes me how people can't understand "burn out" in life. and somehow that makes a person selfish yet the same people claiming punk was selfish and doesn't care blah blah are probably posting about it on their twitters either before or after their latest selfie of them at some concert or park... hypocrisy is running rampant in this country and it's getting worse by the day I actually respect him for being able to leave when he did. I just am over these threads. At least make one giant thread for those who care. This is just becoming ridiculous. I agree with everything you said. Probably the best comment i've seen on this whole thing. I think JokerFC has overdid what a moderator should do as far as keeping this place clean and what not on both the classic and current board. I think this CM Punk thread over and over needs to just stop. It's nothing against anyone, but just because its getting insane. It's been what? Five months?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 26, 2014 17:09:10 GMT -5
This is bad news for that one kid that refuses to believe Punk walked out, and thinks McMahon and Triple H secretly fired him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 17:12:58 GMT -5
I just miss him so much.
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Post by marino13 on Jun 26, 2014 17:20:25 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I still don't see how he was being mistreated. Had he been buried and decided to walk, I'd most likely be backing him 100%. But he was always in a high profiled position and very seldom was forced to put others over. If he was burned out, then I'm sure WWE would have been more than willing to give him a break after WM much like they did last year. IMO there's no excuse to quit that close to Mania.
I'm sure I'll be quoted and bitched at, but that's how I feel.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jun 26, 2014 17:24:32 GMT -5
The thing that upsets me as a fan is not that he left, but the way he left. If he was seriously that burned out, he should have gone to WWE management and say, "Hey, I'm burned out, I'm not performing at the level that I should. Is it possible for me to get some time off right now, or at least work a smaller schedule until Wrestlemania and then write me out of the storyline to take some time off to cool off and get 100% mentally", or something to this degree. If he would have done that, I wouldn't have been upset with him leaving, but he walked out in a way that made him look bad.
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Post by Sleazyness on Jun 26, 2014 17:59:35 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I still don't see how he was being mistreated. Had he been buried and decided to walk, I'd most likely be backing him 100%. But he was always in a high profiled position and very seldom was forced to put others over. If he was burned out, then I'm sure WWE would have been more than willing to give him a break after WM much like they did last year. IMO there's no excuse to quit that close to Mania. I'm sure I'll be quoted and bitched at, but that's how I feel. Or you'll get quoted and have someone like me backing you 100%!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 19:28:47 GMT -5
Sweet, I'll give it a listen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 20:18:23 GMT -5
My thing about it is, so Austin walked out..he didn't want to lose to Lesnar on Raw?
Punk walks out..he didn't wanna wrestle Triple H at WrestleMania?
CM Punk was never on the same level as Stone Cold on a drawing power level or merchandise selling level. Bottom line.
And regardless, he left. Supposedly isn't coming back. If he really hated being a extremely well paid performer for the world's biggest and most popular wrestling company coming off of a 434 day championship reign and being in main event storylines and matches, well that's his own issue.
He's gone. Get over it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 0:45:45 GMT -5
Listening to it now. Good stuff!
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jun 27, 2014 0:49:11 GMT -5
Listening to the episode now. We should really have an official podcast thread for people who listen to Jericho, Austin, JR, Cabana, etc. regularly. If that happens please do not let it be stickied. There are already way too many as it is. I agree. Especially when over half of them barely get used (SD, ME, DVD, etc).
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Post by Jack on Jun 27, 2014 2:08:40 GMT -5
Probably the clearest explanation we will get.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Jun 27, 2014 2:10:03 GMT -5
This explanation doesn't really add any new insight or at least more than I would have guessed.. I guess I still feel like if he could physically go he should have finished out his contract, but I get being burned out at a job--even one you once loved where you are a big dog.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 8:55:23 GMT -5
That was a great episode; Heyman painted a great picture of just how burnt out Punk became...I love hearing Heyman wax lyrical about anything really, but this was really good...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2014 9:32:07 GMT -5
Maybe it's just me, but I still don't see how he was being mistreated. Had he been buried and decided to walk, I'd most likely be backing him 100%. But he was always in a high profiled position and very seldom was forced to put others over. If he was burned out, then I'm sure WWE would have been more than willing to give him a break after WM much like they did last year. IMO there's no excuse to quit that close to Mania. I'm sure I'll be quoted and bitched at, but that's how I feel. I'm a big Punk fan but everything you just said is the truth (and that's *sigh* "What's Up").
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Post by Captain Charisma on Jun 27, 2014 9:54:16 GMT -5
just done listening to part 2 as well.
Heyman is such a great story teller. Some really good stories there too.
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Post by Chip on Jun 27, 2014 10:14:14 GMT -5
Punk walks out..he didn't wanna wrestle Triple H at WrestleMania? this is exactly what I was referring to in my post.. where was it confirmed that Punk didn't want to wrestle HHH at 'Mania and that's why he walked out??? once again, everyone just READS wrestling rumors and automatically they are true unless proven otherwise. thats a ridiculous concept and people need to start learning to think about what makes SENSE and not just what has been written by someone who has "backstage connections" and how do we know that Punk didn't contact people behind the scenes and say he was burned out and wanted to go home, so they let him? do people on this board REALLY think Punk threw a tantrum backstage and stormed off got in his car and drove home never to be heard from again? come on. he didn't need to come out to the ring....cut a meaningless promo and have Kane attack him "seriously injuring" him so he could be written off TV the night before, Kane left him laying at the Rumble. Done. I think because he left quickly they decided not to bother even talking about it (which IS strange) but maybe it's because they were a little pissed off he wanted to leave, so screw it we aren't giving him the spotlight by mentioning it.
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Post by J12 on Jun 27, 2014 11:31:13 GMT -5
just done listening to part 2 as well. Heyman is such a great story teller. Some really good stories there too. I could listen to Heyman talk for hours, honestly. Listening to him talk about his days as the writer of Smackdown makes me pine for him in a creative role again. You can just hear it as he talks - he has a mind of the business like absolutely no one else. No one books like Paul Heyman. No one understands how to build an undercard like Paul Heyman. What he did in 2002 to Smackdown is the stuff of legend when you stop to think about it.
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Post by K5 on Jun 27, 2014 13:25:31 GMT -5
The thing that upsets me as a fan is not that he left, but the way he left. If he was seriously that burned out, he should have gone to WWE management and say, "Hey, I'm burned out, I'm not performing at the level that I should. Is it possible for me to get some time off right now, or at least work a smaller schedule until Wrestlemania and then write me out of the storyline to take some time off to cool off and get 100% mentally", or something to this degree. If he would have done that, I wouldn't have been upset with him leaving, but he walked out in a way that made him look bad. not saying that was necessarily the case with punk, but getting time off isn't necessarily as easy to obtain as people make it out to be. this is vince mcmahon, the dude who's fired guys over them choosing to go home to see their kids get born or not, and it's a competitive business where if you stepped out chances are you'll see your place get fought for - it's not just a case of 'taking some time off', much of the time. i don't like not watching punk but i prefer his personal health/sanity. the dude has been wrestling for almost 20 years (since he was 15), it would be scary if he didn't take a break. rather we see him in wwe, jarrett's new company, japan or elsewhere, or even never again, i appreciate what cm punk did and can count myself as a long term fan of his.
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