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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 16:43:32 GMT -5
Sheamus is tweeting about becoming the first USIC champion by unifying the United States championship with the Intercontinental title. If the United States championship is a regional championship that represents one continent how can it live within a championship that supposedly represents every continent around the globe (which when you put it that way, how is that different from being champion of the world?) I'm lost here...help me out guys
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 16:44:58 GMT -5
Hes in the battle Royale. I want him to win, actually. Be done with the twin belts.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jul 9, 2014 16:49:04 GMT -5
Except he wouldn't be the first US/IC champion.. Edge was, when he beat Test at Survivor Series 2001.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 9, 2014 16:49:13 GMT -5
Yea...Too bad Edge did that 13 years ago.
The US Title means nothing. It was merged with the IC Title, which was merged with the WHC, which was merged with the WWE Championship.
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Post by HVMMONS on Jul 9, 2014 16:49:17 GMT -5
Unifying the belts is an awful idea. Especially with Sheamus,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 16:50:49 GMT -5
USIC bro?
Anyway, get rid of the US title. Please. It doesn't need to be carried around with the IC title either. Just leave it in the trash or something for Hacksaw to find.
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Post by Mox on Jul 9, 2014 16:58:05 GMT -5
Unifying the belts is an awful idea. Especially with Sheamus, Yep.
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 17:03:10 GMT -5
This is true Edge has already done this, they dissolved his United States championship into the Intercontinental title he won from test. Then after 911 wwe choose to bring back the United States championship.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 9, 2014 17:17:46 GMT -5
This is true Edge has already done this, they dissolved his United States championship into the Intercontinental title he won from test. Then after 911 wwe choose to bring back the United States championship. The US Title was still around after 9/11. It didn't get unified until November of 2001. Then was brought back in July of 2003. And technically, this US Title is different. Edge unified the WCW US Title with the WWE IC Title, this would be Sheamus unifying the WWE US Title with the WWE IC Title.
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 17:25:37 GMT -5
hbkbigdaddycool Fair enough on the correction of dates. But the title is the same just the name has changed. WWE still recognizes all of the NWA-WCW United States championship lineage within the title history of the United States title.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Jul 9, 2014 17:44:22 GMT -5
First of all, if they do unify it they better not start calling the resultant product the "United States Intercontinental Title" or some BS like they do with the WWE Title. It's too wordy, confusing and downright stupid as the name of a company's championship.
They shouldn't unify the belts in the first place anyway. Wrestling as a whole is different than it was in the 1980s were there wasn't a demand for more championships. Four titles was fine for 1987 but it seems odd and out of place in 2014, not unique. Unifying the World Titles guarantees the title picture to revolve around the same handful of stars because with only one major championship the WWE would be less likely to give an up-and-comer a World Title, instead of giving them the lesser (WHC) and testing the waters before solidifying them with the WWE Title. The likes of Cesaro, Seth Rollins, Dolph Ziggler, and Kofi Kingston have NO SHOT of a World Title run for the forseeable future because, let's be honest, none of them would be able to carry the company's top title, even in a fluke run. Instead, the only main-event title feud, the only match that would go on last on PPV save for a grudge match with a seasoned veteran (HHH, Brock, etc.), revolves around the likes of Cena, Orton, Batista, Kane, Sheamus, and Roman Reigns. It makes the product bland and predictable because say the WWEWHC match on PPV is Cena/Barrett. They could do the best job in the world of building Barrett but everyone and their mothers know he won't be holding the biggest title in the company (the example leads into the "oh because he's fighting Cena" argument but you could replace him with anyone else I've mentioned). The same blandness that occurs at the top will occur at the bottom of the card if the IC and US titles are unified.
What have the midcard "feuds" been this year without the championships? We've had 3MB fighting Los Matadores because midgets, we've had Cesaro/Van Dam/Swagger in a poorly-construed rivalry, Rusev versus America and random Vladimir Putin references, and now we're treated to a love rectangle between Dolph/Fandango/Summer/Layla. The feuds we've gotten, and in turn the matches we've seen on PPV, have been lacking and, again, bland. The titles have added two quality matches to the card on the PPVs they've been defended. Big E/Barrett at Extreme Rules, Sheamus/Cesaro and Barrett/Van Dam at Payback. The title gives the feud some reality, something special that's lacking with non-title feuds. Goldust and Stardust vs. Rybaxel at MiTB got almost no crowd reaction. Big E/Barrett had the whole crowd on their feet. Yeah the championships are "devalued" and are just "props," but you could convince me easily that Guy A wants the belt from Guy B and will do what it takes to win it, and when he doesn't he moves on and Guy B takes on his next challenge. If these belts are unified--especially if the US Title is dropped, basically making Sheamus's reign irrelevant because he did nothing to re-legitimize it from Ambrose's stranglehold on the belt--we lose one more exciting PPV match, one more relevant and explainable feud, and one less "prop" that keeps the current product fresh.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 18:01:41 GMT -5
I get that it's better to have more titles but the U.S./IC Titles are on the same level in kayfabe. Having both of them is redundant. Sheamus is the perfect guy to hold the unified title because he has the credentials to elevate it. If not him, then Del Rio, Dolph Ziggler or Miz should be the guy to unify the belts. Let the bigger names go for the Intercontinental Championship and then bring in a new belt for guys like Fandango, Sandow, and Bo to fight for.
WWE World Heavyweight Title: main eventers Intercontinental title: upper midcarders/lower main eventers Then make a new belt or bring back an old belt for the midcard.
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Post by Matt on Jul 9, 2014 18:02:39 GMT -5
They better not unify them.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 9, 2014 19:13:43 GMT -5
I get that it's better to have more titles Not really. One title that means something is better than ten titles that mean nothing.
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Post by sitruC on Jul 9, 2014 19:23:48 GMT -5
Meh, it's only a title, hell the brand split is old news. They might as well just bring in the "Jobber Title", it would still mean more than a US/IC title run in this day and age.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 9, 2014 19:33:40 GMT -5
Unify the titles. Improve the stature of the IC title. Stop using the US championship. No more of this carrying around 2 titles at once. That includes the WWE & World championships.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 9, 2014 19:35:20 GMT -5
I don't want them to unify the mid card belts.
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Post by perfectlyrude on Jul 9, 2014 19:35:39 GMT -5
I'd totally sacrifice the United States title if it meant getting the cruiserweight belt back, but that can never happen since they've already put the wwe world heavyweight championship on a paperweight garden troll (sorry I know I'm heat seeking now, but I'm seriously not a fan). ECW & Hardcore titles I miss those also, but they all mean nothing until they make the secondary title actually mean something.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 20:04:55 GMT -5
I'd totally sacrifice the United States title if it meant getting the cruiserweight belt back, but that can never happen since they've already put the wwe world heavyweight championship on a paperweight garden troll (sorry I know I'm heat seeking now, but I'm seriously not a fan). ECW & Hardcore titles I miss those also, but they all mean nothing until they make the secondary title actually mean something. I'd just bring back the European Title or make a new Television Title.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 9, 2014 20:26:49 GMT -5
I'm just gonna go ahead and say... you're trying to understand something that doesn't necessarily need an explanation. No, it doesn't make sense. They're just names.
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