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Post by Scotty on Jul 14, 2014 11:55:26 GMT -5
So excited to see where this goes. Haven't seen a lot of his Japan stuff, but have seen all his ROH matches and have enjoyed them.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 14, 2014 12:08:52 GMT -5
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jul 14, 2014 14:38:33 GMT -5
I'm confident he'll do well on NXT and I'm sure Triple H will make sure he succeeds in developmental. Now when he gets to the main roster is when I'll start worrying, but I'm sure it'll be a while before that happens. I'm not a fan of people going straight to the main roster after getting signed, so I was happy when I found out KENTA was starting in NXT cause that's the way it has to be. The only exception is Sting. Everyone else, whether it's Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Bobby Roode, etc., they should start on development to get used to working a different style than they would in another company. I can't wait to see what they do with KENTA.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 14, 2014 14:49:04 GMT -5
Glad he has such a great attitude going into the situation. He really is one of the most elite ring workers I think I've ever seen in my life. He'll need to connect with the audience though and that's going to take either a decent amount of time or a really great manager to cover up his language barrier early on. I have confidence they'll figure out what to do with him. The idea of getting a KENTA Mattel figure is pretty mind blowing imo. Great stuff. I hope to go up and see him perform in NXT at some point over the next couple of months.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 14, 2014 14:52:29 GMT -5
Glad he has such a great attitude going into the situation. He really is one of the most elite ring workers I think I've ever seen in my life. He'll need to connect with the audience though and that's going to take either a decent amount of time or a really great manager to cover up his language barrier early on. I have confidence they'll figure out what to do with him. The idea of getting a KENTA Mattel figure is pretty mind blowing imo. Great stuff. I hope to go up and see him perform in NXT at some point over the next couple of months. I honestly can't see him getting over. No managers in the E currently would fit him and I doubt they bring someone in with their "budget cuts". Maybe I'm just being a pessimist but I can see stereotype gimmicks in his future. Watch if he joins 3mb the same people who think Sandow has a future will say "give it time".
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jul 14, 2014 14:55:14 GMT -5
Yeah, Mistico is an especially bad example.Between injury, attitude, and suspension, he did a lot of the damage himself. Good to know he at least knows the language some. It seems like it's been a while since he decided he wanted to work with WWE, so it's also possible he's been working on it since you met him. I'm sure he'll be fine. And for all we know, he's not even worried about being in the main event. When Ultimo Dragon signed, his goals were to work MSG and be on the card for Wrestlemania. Both goals were accomplished and he was happy. We don't know if KENTA wants something simple like that or if he wants to be a top guy and spend the rest of his career here. I hope he is already working shows by the next NXT taping, or at least the one after, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. Once again all valid points. Although Dragon was never really a main eventer anywhere. He was equally as big as KENTA is so I seeewhat your saying there. KENTA is coming from being the top draw in a big puro promotion though. He might want to work to the top. Hell who knows maybe seeing Bryan's sucsess gave him an idea of "well I can certainly do that". I just hope and pray he doesn't end up like Sami Callihan/Solomon Crowe and end up MIA and not showing up on NXT. They need to bring him into NXT ASAP and instantly put him in there with Zayne, Neville, Breeze and company. I can already see him taking the title from Breeze. Crowe has been frustrating for sure. I'm also still waiting for Slate Randall (Shaun Ricker) to debut, but at least his delay was because of injury. Hopefully things will work out with both of them soon. I doubt KENTA will be delayed like that though, as they're making a big deal of his signing. I think they're going to get him on NXT as soon as they can to help get more niche fans signing onto the network. Whether that actually will add more or not is hard t say. Though if it expands to Japan before long, he'll help there. I definitely see him working with the guys you named right away. There may be a couple of shows with him against enhancement guys just to show off, but it won't be long before the big matches. I wonder if they'll try to get him on in time for the next live show. or maybe they'll at least have him appear then, even if he doesn't wrestle. I certainly am excited for the possibilities.
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Post by Suckasays on Jul 14, 2014 14:55:46 GMT -5
Im thinking the same. He's huge in japan and I'm sure he knows his worth. He probably has a very good and protective (for his sake) contract. WWE do not give contracts with creative control and promised title matches to anyone except the very highest elite of superstars (ie Rock, Austin, Hogan) -- and even in those cases, not really. Daniel Bryan did not come up with his WWE name. William Regal named him. Bryan was coming up with names like Buddy Peacock. I expect him to be hanging around with Hornswoggle but I'd really like to see them bring him in like he's a "BIG DEAL". Hype videos etc. He comes out in suits with somewhat of an entrourage, with one of them naturally being his mouthpiece. Market him for what he is. An international superstar athlete who is already established. I know it sounds weird but kind of a weird hybrid of a debuting Alberto Del Rio crossed with Brock Lesnar. Cock, arrogant, wealthy and established but with a mean streak to back it up. Neither Del Rio nor Lesnar were established in the mainstream pro wrestling world before their WWE debuts, and neither is this guy. Unless you mean pushing him like Kaval and NXT Daniel Bryan, where he's established to a certain niche of fans but needs to prove himself in the big leagues and they do the underdog thing? Del Rio had about a hundred years of pre-debut vignettes to get a character over, though. And Lesnar is an absolute specimen who looked like a monster as soon as he appeared. No. What I'm saying is bring him in as if he's a wealthy and established international superstar. No underdog stories. I'm not saying throw him in the world title picture...but I'm saying he doesn't need to feud with Adam Rose or some other useless character. Bring him in in suits and dark sunglasses...no with a stable but with a group of handlers and a mouthpiece. Perhaps have him be a cocky character like MVP was upon debut.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 14, 2014 15:21:32 GMT -5
No. What I'm saying is bring him in as if he's a wealthy and established international superstar. No underdog stories. I'm not saying throw him in the world title picture...but I'm saying he doesn't need to feud with Adam Rose or some other useless character. Bring him in in suits and dark sunglasses...no with a stable but with a group of handlers and a mouthpiece. Perhaps have him be a cocky character like MVP was upon debut. Ah, I get you. The thing with that MVP debut though was that he didn't really get over for months and months (after the Benoit feud really) because it was so obviously just a gimmick on a new guy. I don't think the "superstar wrestler signing" gimmick has worked in the post-WCW era, just because there isn't a rival company on equal standing to make other guys stars. There's no reason why they couldn't try the MVP-style thing here though, and I think being Japanese would help because at least there's a reason why mainstream American fans wouldn't know him yet... He could do the "I'm a big deal in Japan" thing.
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Post by weaseltv on Jul 14, 2014 15:23:40 GMT -5
watch... his name will be Ken Tanaka...
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Post by weaseltv on Jul 14, 2014 15:29:30 GMT -5
If they fast-tracked Kenta to WWE, he would be a Heyman guy, getting into a feud with Daniel Bryan on his return.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 14, 2014 15:55:11 GMT -5
Im thinking the same. He's huge in japan and I'm sure he knows his worth. He probably has a very good and protective (for his sake) contract. WWE do not give contracts with creative control and promised title matches to anyone except the very highest elite of superstars (ie Rock, Austin, Hogan) -- and even in those cases, not really. Daniel Bryan did not come up with his WWE name. William Regal named him. Bryan was coming up with names like Buddy Peacock. I expect him to be hanging around with Hornswoggle but I'd really like to see them bring him in like he's a "BIG DEAL". Hype videos etc. He comes out in suits with somewhat of an entrourage, with one of them naturally being his mouthpiece. Market him for what he is. An international superstar athlete who is already established. I know it sounds weird but kind of a weird hybrid of a debuting Alberto Del Rio crossed with Brock Lesnar. Cock, arrogant, wealthy and established but with a mean streak to back it up. Neither Del Rio nor Lesnar were established in the mainstream pro wrestling world before their WWE debuts, and neither is this guy. Unless you mean pushing him like Kaval and NXT Daniel Bryan, where he's established to a certain niche of fans but needs to prove himself in the big leagues and they do the underdog thing? Del Rio had about a hundred years of pre-debut vignettes to get a character over, though. And Lesnar is an absolute specimen who looked like a monster as soon as he appeared. I said nothing regarding title matches and things like that. I don't know where your getting that from. And Bryan was not coming up with those names. That was WWE and Regal suggested the name to Bryan and he went to WWE with it.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 14, 2014 15:57:27 GMT -5
If they fast-tracked Kenta to WWE, he would be a Heyman guy, getting into a feud with Daniel Bryan on his return. Not happening for multiple reasons. WWE needs to learn that Heyman only works for already established stars, Daniel is out and this new guy will not be ready to face him and he definitely wouldn't go over. This isn't RoH, this is WWE you have to have more than just wrestling skill to get over.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 14, 2014 15:57:49 GMT -5
This is exactly the attitude I expected from him. He is going to do great.
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Post by Suckasays on Jul 14, 2014 16:33:15 GMT -5
No. What I'm saying is bring him in as if he's a wealthy and established international superstar. No underdog stories. I'm not saying throw him in the world title picture...but I'm saying he doesn't need to feud with Adam Rose or some other useless character. Bring him in in suits and dark sunglasses...no with a stable but with a group of handlers and a mouthpiece. Perhaps have him be a cocky character like MVP was upon debut. Ah, I get you. The thing with that MVP debut though was that he didn't really get over for months and months (after the Benoit feud really) because it was so obviously just a gimmick on a new guy. I don't think the "superstar wrestler signing" gimmick has worked in the post-WCW era, just because there isn't a rival company on equal standing to make other guys stars. There's no reason why they couldn't try the MVP-style thing here though, and I think being Japanese would help because at least there's a reason why mainstream American fans wouldn't know him yet... He could do the "I'm a big deal in Japan" thing. Exactly. It's just a modern twist on the "I'm a big deal" gimmick. People here would be like "Who the hell are you?" and he just comes out with a group of people, kind of like how Mike Tyson came out with his group of people when he first appeared on Raw, and it would just make him look like a jerk to randomly show up like he's the greatest thing ever. Just a twist on the cocky guy angle.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:16:35 GMT -5
Tajiri was awesome in WWE... For all the talent he had, watch his stuff in ECW and Japan compared to WWE. WWE isn't ECW & Japan. WWE is an entertainment company, not a wrestling company. This is something people don't understand.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2014 18:19:08 GMT -5
GET ON IT MATTEL.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 17, 2014 13:52:54 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:53:09 GMT -5
I think I've overdosed on KENTA vs Brian Danielson matches.
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Post by Chip on Jul 18, 2014 22:21:21 GMT -5
WWE has a chance to do something MAJOR here with Kenta. They have a chance to bring WRESTLING back.
Look at the WWE.com interview, they talked to HHH (obviously) and then Bryan, Cesaro & Rollins. 3 guys who know him best and why? because of wrestling. and the actual entertainment of a match.
WWE thinks viewers are bored with wrestling matches. Hence why we need quick camera cuts, commercial breaks, false finishes & signature moves.
I've watched thousands of wrestling matches in my life. Some of the best I've ever seen is the purest form. Psychology, followed by common sense, with a great ending. WWE doesn't seem to think that people would actually want to watch wrestling anymore. They want to see these "stars" just hit their routine and be done with it.
Yet almost every single tag match, they get crowds to do the chants, and follow through. I'm not saying we need 5 star matches every week every show. But wrestling seems to be at the back end of their priorities because I think the higher ups are too focused on twitter, and advertising dollars, and writing some fake craphollywood show.
KENTA will never make it in this business if they don't let him do what he does best. Sadly I fear for the next decade.
I truly believe Triple H gets it. I think he is really smart in the ways of balance. There obviously has to be stories and drama, but in the end it's supposed to be about what happens inside the ropes. Sadly, all we get now are routine after routine after routine. We shouldn't be shocked when a guy does something out of the ordinary. That's a red flag. I think HHH wants to change the business, it's evident by who he's signing and how NXT is run/presented....hopefully it will take a turn in the right direction sooner than later
Because this company is hiring/signing WRESTLERS and they are gonna be seriously short changed if they attempt to turn them all into just routine entertainment property.
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Post by tg11 on Jul 20, 2014 16:42:47 GMT -5
Kenta who knows they will probably debut him in NXT first before bringing him up to the main roster
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