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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 16, 2014 14:32:22 GMT -5
Does anyone else really not care when Jericho returns? I just think its so telegraphed that he's coming back to lose to someone that it kinda negates the point of him doing it. A major star putting over a younger guy should be something that makes you think "oh sh*t, they mean business with him!", but instead I just kinda think "Yeah, so what? Jericho loses to everyone. I don't care." Obviously its a hugely extreme example, but at the other end if Cena loses to someone young you go "This guy is the next big thing!" instantly. I just don't think Jericho coming back to lose has a point anymore.
Anyone agree/disagree?
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 16, 2014 14:42:18 GMT -5
Jericho's never been on Cena's level though in terms of how he's booked. Jericho has always won some and lost some and that's what he's been doing with these returns. He's still a good promo and his match with Wyatt could turn out being spectacular. I think Jericho is motivated to come back and work with some of these young guys because it's fun for him. So he wants to make them look like a million bucks.
I mean if you're asking why doesn't Jericho win more high profile matches so that when he does lose to young talent it means something, I would guess because Jericho doesn't give too many sh*ts about winning or losing at this stage of his career. Which is essentially a similar deal with RVD. Jericho has always been beatable though. He's never been protected from a booking standpoint. He's going to go out there and make the audience care with the microphone and then once he has them he's going to sell it big with his in-ring work, win or lose. That's what he's done his entire career.
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Post by Chip on Jul 16, 2014 14:46:21 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of "legend returns and loses to new guy" concept.
Not saying that big name former stars should come back and run over the roster on their way to the title....but look at RVD, dude has lost almost every match since coming back, so why should I even care about seeing him anymore?
The thing is balance, which this company does NOT have at all.
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Post by T R W on Jul 16, 2014 14:51:59 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of "legend returns and loses to new guy" concept. Not saying that big name former stars should come back and run over the roster on their way to the title....but look at RVD, dude has lost almost every match since coming back, so why should I even care about seeing him anymore? The thing is balance, which this company does NOT have at all. That is true. The average fan can probably predict outcomes of matches with about 80% accuracy these days. Hardly ever any surprises or matches where you truly don't know who will win.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 16, 2014 14:52:03 GMT -5
I'm a huge Jericho fan, but him announcing that he'll only be around until the end of September really takes the fun out of his return.
It's great to have him back but if the crowd goes back to cheering for Bray once he leaves this entire run for Jericho will be pointless.
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Post by Chip on Jul 16, 2014 14:56:10 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of "legend returns and loses to new guy" concept. Not saying that big name former stars should come back and run over the roster on their way to the title....but look at RVD, dude has lost almost every match since coming back, so why should I even care about seeing him anymore? The thing is balance, which this company does NOT have at all. That is true. The average fan can probably predict outcomes of matches with about 80% accuracy these days. Hardly ever any surprises or matches where you truly don't know who will win. THAT is the single biggest thing wrong with the WWE today. Now I'm not saying that they should flip and guys like Sheamus or Cena or Del Rio should just lose all the time. But it's become too common. Too repetitive. It's just soooooo obvious almost all the time. I shouldn't have to be legitimately SHOCKED when Sheamus gets pinned by Miz. This would all be solved if the WWE actually cared about/created stories for their mid-card.
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Post by dod0411 on Jul 16, 2014 14:56:26 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jul 16, 2014 15:13:08 GMT -5
Meh, it's Jericho. If he returned for one night I would be happy.
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Post by J12 on Jul 16, 2014 15:17:09 GMT -5
Jericho's never been on Cena's level though in terms of how he's booked. Jericho has always won some and lost some and that's what he's been doing with these returns. He's still a good promo and his match with Wyatt could turn out being spectacular. I think Jericho is motivated to come back and work with some of these young guys because it's fun for him. So he wants to make them look like a million bucks. I mean if you're asking why doesn't Jericho win more high profile matches so that when he does lose to young talent it means something, I would guess because Jericho doesn't give too many sh*ts about winning or losing at this stage of his career. Which is essentially a similar deal with RVD. Jericho has always been beatable though. He's never been protected from a booking standpoint. He's going to go out there and make the audience care with the microphone and then once he has them he's going to sell it big with his in-ring work, win or lose. That's what he's done his entire career. I agree. Surprisingly, Jericho actually had a winning record during his last run. At least he's got some direction, and he's still able to go at a consistently high level. I'll take Jericho just about whenever I can him. He's my all time favorite, though, so I'm a bit biased. RVD, on the other hand, has been completely directionless during the entirety of his two runs (other than being fed to Del Rio - what a surprise.) He rarely, if ever wins at this point. His situation is far more problematic than Jericho's.
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Post by CF9™ on Jul 16, 2014 15:20:43 GMT -5
I don't think it's at all about the result of the payoff match, man. It's the storyline. Jericho has been known to usually be in the hottest, most intricate feuds when he's around. It's the fact that the guy's associated with him in compelling TV, so when he leaves, they'll be made. Hell, it even worked for Fandango for a bit.
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Post by sitruC on Jul 16, 2014 15:30:52 GMT -5
He always doesn't entertain me with his part time runs.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jul 16, 2014 15:39:50 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of "legend returns and loses to new guy" concept. Not saying that big name former stars should come back and run over the roster on their way to the title....but look at RVD, dude has lost almost every match since coming back, so why should I even care about seeing him anymore?The thing is balance, which this company does NOT have at all. I think the average RVD fan likes him just the same whether he wins or loses these days though. Same can be said for Jericho. Kids are going to like RVD cause he does his same five moves that they like to see in every match, win or lose.
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Post by philly boi on Jul 16, 2014 15:43:35 GMT -5
I think when he feels he is done, he'll sign on for a lengthy contract and actually do something during that run. Right now, these quick stints keep him relevant and keep him from getting burnt out. It'll lead to a much longer career for Jericho which is good for him and his fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 15:44:13 GMT -5
Yea, you'll never hear me bitch about Jericho being back. Whether it's predictable or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 16:20:50 GMT -5
He's entertaining. I like him being on WWE TV. He's a legend
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Post by Sleazyness on Jul 16, 2014 16:22:56 GMT -5
Jericho's come backs never get old to me. This can only help Bray and his future. I love it, so no this isn't pointless in my opinion.
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Post by Iron Bison on Jul 16, 2014 17:02:57 GMT -5
I'll get poop for this but I was never really a fan of Jericho. That being said, I DO like that he's there part time cause I am enjoying the work he's done for the past couple of years.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jul 16, 2014 18:09:28 GMT -5
I should say that I am a fan of Jericho. I was entertained by his major runs and he's probably in my top 5 ever. Its not a case of not liking him. Its just a case of him being so ridiculously predictable nowadays to the point where I don't care about seeing him and I don't think him losing gives anyone a boost.If he's around 'till September then he'll lose at Battleground, win at SummerSlam then lose at the following PPV. Done.
I love the dude, but I need a reason to care and I'm just not getting one at all. No intrigue from any of his feuds. Compare it to say 2007/2008 where he feuded with HBK. That was amazing because it was personal and unpredictable. By contrast today he's 100% feuding with Wyatt because he had a few months spare he wanted to wrestle in and Vince thought Wyatt was someone to put over. Why should I care? Why does Wyatt winning an incredibly predictable feud supposedly make him a bigger star?
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Post by Midnight on Jul 16, 2014 19:07:07 GMT -5
Jericho returning is definitely not pointless but I wish he'd get more big wins. A win or loss is not what gets over a superstar, a great match to remember will.
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Post by Kanenite on Jul 16, 2014 21:30:09 GMT -5
It's not pointless for him to be back because he could sell tickets, and we get to see his great promos/matches etc but I think guys like RVD and him should actually win some bigger matches sometimes and not damn near exclusively job out to newer guys left and right. It doesn't really mean anything to those young guys when that happens.
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