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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 17:28:11 GMT -5
Lol the tna title is worthless. That's your opinion. Tna will give the title to literally anyone, the only qualification you need is to be an ex wwe/ecw star.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jul 19, 2014 17:29:05 GMT -5
Tna will give the title to literally anyone, the only qualification you need is to be an ex wwe/ecw star. Okay. You're wrong, but that's fine. I'm not going to talk to you anymore.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 19, 2014 17:29:28 GMT -5
Ill agree with the first half of your statement, but no offense, I stopped listening after you said Booker, Steiner and Goldberg were treated like NXT jobbers. DDP probably should have gotten a better shake but at his age I understand the logic of not wanting to push him much when he only lasted less than a year anyways. Booker was the face of WCW right out of the gate during the Invasion and stayed in high profile matches throughout most of his career, ill meet you halfway on him. But you're only kidding yourself if you think Steiner and Goldberg were treated like jobbers. Steiner came in, was thrown immediately into the World Title picture and couldnt work a match, that might have been ok in WCW where a lot of intimidation rumors were flying around about how he became champion, but Vince wasnt going to put someone in the spotlight for long who can't put on a halfway decent match. And I really don't know where you're coming from on Goldberg, he came right in and beat the Rock and Jericho, then won the World Title less than 6 months after his debut. The only reason in my mind that he lost the title was that his contracted number of dates were running out and he couldn't carry the title and not be on TV. I mean the guy in the span of one year beat Rock, Jericho, Triple H, and Lesnar. Name me an NXT jobber that did anything close to that. Come on that's not what I am talking about and you know it. They all were big stars who were treated disrespectfully when they came to the WWE because Vince was rubbing it in that he won the war. And if not for their talent and the fans support every one of them would have had to suffer some sort of Rock verbal abuse and Austin grocery store beatdown like Booker T had to go through. Every one of them was disrespected a little when they first came in. The first month or so there was always some comment or action that made them look like the came from a minor league organization. I honestly have no idea where you're coming from lol. You say if not for their talent and fans that they wouldnt have made it? Isnt that the same for every wrestler? Lmao And for your comment to be accurate about embarassment or verbal abuse from the Rock, that'd have to mean that no one before or since then has had it happen to them. I guess John Cena and Michael Cole must have been part of WCW as well because the Rock made fun of them. Or I guess Vickie Guerrero and Stephanie McMahon must have been in WCW because they were in an embarrassing segment being thrown in mudpits a few weeks back. Lol you have no clue what you're talking about dude.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 17:33:21 GMT -5
Tna will give the title to literally anyone, the only qualification you need is to be an ex wwe/ecw star. Okay. You're wrong, but that's fine. I'm not going to talk to you anymore. First it's my opinion, now I'm wrong lol. Okay whatever dude, later.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jul 19, 2014 17:38:41 GMT -5
Okay. You're wrong, but that's fine. I'm not going to talk to you anymore. First it's my opinion, now I'm wrong lol. Okay whatever dude, later. "Your opinion" = the title is worthless. Factually wrong = on the WWE/ECW part. See James Storm, Eric Young, AJ Styles, Abyss, Bobby Roode, Magnus, Samoa Joe, Chris Sabin and Austin Aries. Just a few off the top of my head. Now I'm done talking to you.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 19, 2014 17:47:31 GMT -5
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Post by PJ on Jul 19, 2014 18:11:51 GMT -5
Come on that's not what I am talking about and you know it. They all were big stars who were treated disrespectfully when they came to the WWE because Vince was rubbing it in that he won the war. And if not for their talent and the fans support every one of them would have had to suffer some sort of Rock verbal abuse and Austin grocery store beatdown like Booker T had to go through. Every one of them was disrespected a little when they first came in. The first month or so there was always some comment or action that made them look like the came from a minor league organization. I honestly have no idea where you're coming from lol. You say if not for their talent and fans that they wouldnt have made it? Isnt that the same for every wrestler? Lmao And for your comment to be accurate about embarassment or verbal abuse from the Rock, that'd have to mean that no one before or since then has had it happen to them. I guess John Cena and Michael Cole must have been part of WCW as well because the Rock made fun of them. Or I guess Vickie Guerrero and Stephanie McMahon must have been in WCW because they were in an embarrassing segment being thrown in mudpits a few weeks back. Lol you have no clue what you're talking about dude. No you are the one with no clue as you are missing the whole point of what I was saying. Maybe I didn't say it clear enough but people on the first page were talking about Sting not coming to the WWE then because of a fear of how the WCW guys were being treated by Vince. And they mentioned guys like Benoit, Eddie and Jericho along with the others. I said they didn't count because they were WWE guys before the buyout. But I was saying Sting's having doubt was rightly so because every one of the main eventers that came to the WWE after the buyout did have to eat some cr@p. And have their credibly questioned/weakened because Vince wanted to rub it in that he won. (And I can see why he would want to) But yes I watched on a weekly basis and saw how the top WCW guys were being treated. If Sting went to the WWE back then he probably would have been treated just as disrespectful as Booker T was. There was no reason for Booker T to have a 10 minute beatdown in the grocery store by Austin without getting one shot in. Again you can spin it anyway you want, but the bottom line is the WCW guys had to eat crow from Vince for the first month or so. I never said it was about matches and or titles they eventually one. All I was saying was in the beginning the WWE(Vince) was cr@pping on the top WCW guys accomplishments as if they were nobody's instead of equals to the WWE Main Eventers. After some time passed they were considered equals, but in the beginning they weren't.
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Post by Cassa Nova Kid on Jul 19, 2014 18:12:05 GMT -5
Come on that's not what I am talking about and you know it. They all were big stars who were treated disrespectfully when they came to the WWE because Vince was rubbing it in that he won the war. And if not for their talent and the fans support every one of them would have had to suffer some sort of Rock verbal abuse and Austin grocery store beatdown like Booker T had to go through. Every one of them was disrespected a little when they first came in. The first month or so there was always some comment or action that made them look like the came from a minor league organization. I honestly have no idea where you're coming from lol. You say if not for their talent and fans that they wouldnt have made it? Isnt that the same for every wrestler? Lmao And for your comment to be accurate about embarassment or verbal abuse from the Rock, that'd have to mean that no one before or since then has had it happen to them. I guess John Cena and Michael Cole must have been part of WCW as well because the Rock made fun of them. Or I guess Vickie Guerrero and Stephanie McMahon must have been in WCW because they were in an embarrassing segment being thrown in mudpits a few weeks back. Lol you have no clue what you're talking about dude. Yah hhh Katie Vic , the Rock Ñ sock connection , angle milk and the you suck shaved his head lots of them had to do dumb things.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jul 19, 2014 18:20:18 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea where you're coming from lol. You say if not for their talent and fans that they wouldnt have made it? Isnt that the same for every wrestler? Lmao And for your comment to be accurate about embarassment or verbal abuse from the Rock, that'd have to mean that no one before or since then has had it happen to them. I guess John Cena and Michael Cole must have been part of WCW as well because the Rock made fun of them. Or I guess Vickie Guerrero and Stephanie McMahon must have been in WCW because they were in an embarrassing segment being thrown in mudpits a few weeks back. Lol you have no clue what you're talking about dude. No you are the one with no clue as you are missing the whole point of what I was saying. People on the first page were talking about Sting not coming to the WWE then because of a fear of how the WCW guys were being treated by Vince. And it was rightly so because every one of them did have to eat some cr@p and have their credibly questioned because Vince wanted to rub it in that he won. So yes I watched on a weekly basis and saw how the top WCW guys were being treated. If Sting went to WCW he probably would have been treated just as disrespectful as Booker T was. There was no reason for Booker T to have a 10 minute beatdown in the grocery store by Austin without getting one shot in. Again you can spin it anyway you want, but the bottom line is the WCW guys had to eat crow from Vince for the first month or so. I never said it was about matches and or titles they eventually one. All I was saying was in the beginning the WWE(Vince) was cr@pping on the top WCW guys accomplishments as if they were nobody's instead of equals to the WWE Main Eventers. After some time passed they were considered equals, but in the beginning they weren't. Lol agree to disagree, Booker cost Austin the Undisputed Title twice in a week, so Austin gets his revenge in an entertaining segment and thats because he was a part of WCW? Don't even dare tell me that WCW never did anything embarassing to their guys too while they were still in business. GI Bro ring a bell? And guys like Sting and Flair are on a different level than guys like Booker and DDP. They werent treated like equals when they came in because they werent equals. If you try to tell me Booker/DDP were either just as big as Rock/Austin/Taker or bigger than names like Hogan/Flair/Sting/Goldberg/Nash/Macho/Bret/Luger were in WCW than you're crazy. And if Vince was crapping on guys accomplishments in WCW that must be why Booker went running around for nearly a decade telling us he was the 5 time WCW champion right? Because if Vince didn't want him to say that then he would still be out there saying it anyways? You make no sense and I give up arguing with people who are wrong.
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 18:29:30 GMT -5
First it's my opinion, now I'm wrong lol. Okay whatever dude, later. "Your opinion" = the title is worthless. Factually wrong = on the WWE/ECW part. See James Storm, Eric Young, AJ Styles, Abyss, Bobby Roode, Magnus, Samoa Joe, Chris Sabin and Austin Aries. Just a few off the top of my head. Now I'm done talking to you. Okay, so out of 28 reigns only 9 have been TNA originals. 4 of which came from RoH/Japan. And the other are all ex WWE/ECW/WCW guys. Wow, so impressive. WWE didn't mistreat anyone, they put their guys over because it's stupid to make your company look bad losing to another one.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 19, 2014 19:32:36 GMT -5
I did not read any further through so excuse me if I repeat some things.
Scott Steiner: His drop-foot hindered his move set severely. WWE did what they felt they had to do. And that was to get a few Main Events out of him before the crowd realized it. Milk his name value while he still had it. Even after his time on top was over, he still looked awful more often than not.
DDP: He pissed off Taker. Triple H tried to warn him not to give Taker a script mapping out their whole match, but DDP did it anyway. Once Taker didn't back him, his WWE career was over. Stalker gimmick did not help.
Buff Bagwell: Total crybaby who shot himself in the foot. He had to tools but was a lazy idiot. I was a fan at one time, but he deserved to be fired.
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Post by specterkev on Jul 19, 2014 19:47:03 GMT -5
the whole nWo thing too... Hall was suppost to go over austin, and hollywood was not to turn face and the show was supposed to end with the nWo on top..but nope..
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Post by rustyy on Jul 19, 2014 19:51:04 GMT -5
I did not read any further through so excuse me if I repeat some things. Scott Steiner: His drop-foot hindered his move set severely. WWE did what they felt they had to do. And that was to get a few Main Events out of him before the crowd realized it. Milk his name value while he still had it. Even after his time on top was over, he still looked awful more often than not. DDP: He pissed off Taker. Triple H tried to warn him not to give Taker a script mapping out their whole match, but DDP did it anyway. Once Taker didn't back him, his WWE career was over. Stalker gimmick did not help. Buff Bagwell: Total crybaby who shot himself in the foot. He had to tools but was a lazy idiot. I was a fan at one time, but he deserved to be fired. I know everyone loves undertaker but I feel like he would be one of the least fun people in the entire world to be around.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jul 20, 2014 12:15:46 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they were all treated poorly. Eventually, a few of them made it. But just look at the Invasion angle to see what Vince thought of guys who made it in WCW. Booker T was the top guy coming over. He was WCW Champion and United States Champion. He dropped the belt to a WWF guy, who then feuded with another WWF guy over it. Booker, on the other hand, lost every single PPV match (besides the first Invasion PPV) he had until the middle of 2002. DDP, the "People's Champion" in WCW, gets saddled with a stalker gimmick that didn't fit and then The Undertaker, who wasn't selling for ANY WCW guy, destroys him.
Booker eventually became a star in WWE, but it took a while because WCW was treated terribly during it's initial run.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jul 20, 2014 13:03:08 GMT -5
I have to disagree with Booker not being mistreated. He was a top guy in WCW but was fed to Rock immediately and became a midcard guy. IMO, he only regained that standing in 2005, 4 years later.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Jul 20, 2014 15:48:30 GMT -5
Bagwell felt he deserved better, when in fact he was a small fish in a large pond.
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Post by kingpin005 on Jul 20, 2014 16:02:26 GMT -5
I know a lot of people say the wcw guys were treated bad, but were they really . 1- Booker T invasion leader and won Tag , Ic, HVW belts & KOTR tournament 2- Bill Goldberg feuded with Lesnar , The Rock, HHH,& won the HVW belt 3 - Chris Benoit was pushed won HVW belt ( He did have to work a for it though) 4- Chris Jericho - a nobody in wcw main star in WWE 5- Big Show was brought in as a main Star 6- Rey Mysterio doing way better in E then wcw 7 Eddie Guerrero , they gave him the world title thats not bad at all since wcw never really cared about him. ------- Scott Steiner- was miss treated he fell to a nobody DDP- was getting ready to slow down his carrer Buff Bagwell - Totaly got screwed over So 3 out of 10 guys dis not get treated well, am I missing somthing ? To tie this in with everything current sting said he is afraid of being missed used like all the others what others? agreed. WWE gave alot of opportunity to the WCW guys that were worth putting the investment into. DDP was definitely old at that point. Bagwell was garbage. Steiner is over-rated. His promo material can be cutting edge, but his delivery is complete trash. Booker T was over-rated and they pushed him way more than he deserved. Sting's claim of concern that he would be misused is just unfounded. Perhaps his religious views would prevent him from doing some cutting edge things that the WWF was doing back then....which is lame because he could have done plenty of PG related things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 16:05:39 GMT -5
Do most of you people not realize that WCW got to that ratings lead and all that with mainly former WWE TALENT?
The guys who came over after the buyout basically maximized their worth. At least in this guy's opinion
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 20, 2014 16:20:53 GMT -5
People always throw out Jericho, Benoit, Guerrero, and Mysterio as "WCW guys" who made it big in the WWE. Fact is they were never big strs in WCW, just midcarders who held up the midcard and undercard. They were never truly "WCW guys" because they were never given big pushes in WCW besides for Benoit.
The true WCW guys were Steiner, Booker T, Goldberg, DDP, Bagwell, etc...guys who were big in WCW. This topic has been beaten to death in the classics section so I won't go into detail with each guy but its no secret that the WWE had a habit of breaking down the characters of top WCW guys to mold them into what they wanted.
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Post by dante123 on Jul 21, 2014 6:41:30 GMT -5
I give Booker T a lot of credit because he worked his way to the top in both companies. That's something not that many people can say they did.
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