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Post by Negan™ on Jul 20, 2014 22:27:50 GMT -5
I don't understand how anyone could say Jakks was better than Mattel.
Everything about Jakks sucked ass. Even the packaging. Sure when I was a kid I thought the figures were great but that's only because I didn't know how good they could actually be. Mattel have blown my mind with some of the figures they've produced over the years. Accurate scale, awesome accessories, entrance gear, accurate bodies, cloth t-shirts... They cover it all. They look like true collectors items.
Anyone who says Jakks is better is basing it off a pure nostalgic view. I get it, the CS line was fun but Mattel would do it 100 times better. You wouldn't see Hulk Hogan coming with a random chair accessory, you would see Hulk Hogan coming with a REMOVABLE headband, a CLOTH t-shirt, and a PAINTED Winged Eagle Title. Making it the Ultimate Collectors Item.
That Flair figure is a masterpiece, OP. It's miles better than the Flair's Jakks have produced.
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Post by Chip on Jul 20, 2014 23:33:30 GMT -5
Jakks was never supposed to be "in scale" I don't get why so many people are OBSESSED with the heights of wrestling toys.
You can't really compare Mattel & Jakks because Mattel's as a whole are a lot smaller. So obviously a Mattel Rey & A Jakks Rey are going to look ridiculous together. At this point though haven't we all moved on? I wasn't sold on Mattel from the beginning, a lot of figures were (and still are to be honest) too small looking. But at this point I've sold about 75% of my Jakks collection and I've got almost 800 Mattel's.
I love what Mattel is doing. They aren't perfect, but nothing is. They do some real head scratchers....but at least their attires are fully painted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 23:58:37 GMT -5
I don't understand how anyone could say Jakks was better than Mattel. Everything about Jakks sucked ass. Even the packaging. Sure when I was a kid I thought the figures were great but that's only because I didn't know how good they could actually be. Mattel have blown my mind with some of the figures they've produced over the years. Accurate scale, awesome accessories, entrance gear, accurate bodies, cloth t-shirts... They cover it all. They look like true collectors items. Anyone who says Jakks is better is basing it off a pure nostalgic view. I get it, the CS line was fun but Mattel would do it 100 times better. You wouldn't see Hulk Hogan coming with a random chair accessory, you would see Hulk Hogan coming with a REMOVABLE headband, a CLOTH t-shirt, and a PAINTED Winged Eagle Title. Making it the Ultimate Collectors Item. That Flair figure is a masterpiece, OP. It's miles better than the Flair's Jakks have produced. It's a subjective opinion. It's like comparing playstation & x-box...some people will think differently. For me, the "better" company differs from figure to figure. However, I do lean toward Jakks figures (for the most part). Mattel wins in the category of PACKAGING by a mile IMO. Some of their figures are better than the Jakks counterpoint too -- Big Bossman is leaps & bounds better than Jakks for example. However, I generally prefer the body size of Jakks figures & that goes a long way. Jakks' Ric Flairs were absolutely awesome IMO, but I haven't seen Mattel Flair in person (so I can't compare). However, I do feel that Jakks outdid Mattel with L.O.D., Mr. Perfect, Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Rockers (yes, even with how amazing the attire is & yes I have both companies' figures...but the size of the Mattels just isn't for me & I prefer the Jakks 'heads' more). Mattels are just an extension of my Jakks collection. You're making a lot of assumptions about why people would think a certain way, but it just comes down to differing tastes (whether you want to admit that someone could like something other than what you think is best, or not).
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 21, 2014 13:20:26 GMT -5
Jakks figures are way better! Not only has Jakks given us more of a selection of classics but the scans are better, the bodies are better and they just look better. Mattels sculpts are too cartoon looking and bland, and the bodies are way too skinny. The figures look odd and not proportioned. I really made my mind up after getting DM Flair, this figure sucks the hair is off and the face is more like Henry Winkler than Ric Flair and the body is really bad like all mattels are. Jakks classic Flairs are so much better. I'll give mattel credit for only for Flairs robe, that was well made. I hope Jakks get the WWE contract back soon so we can see great figures again. Opinions? I agree with you 100 % as NOBODY will ever have a deep classic legend lineup like Jakks did ! I mean even if I could look past the smaller Mattel figures with many flaws and freaky joint movement though some head sculpts and clothing are better than Jakks theres still no Vintage Rings like Jakks WM1 and WM2 with cage RSR . So even if you could get by the no ring then theres still no 80s Announcers like Vince , Fink , Jesse or Mean Gene ! Man even Danny Davis has a figure do you think Mattel will ever do this ? Now Jakks did have a few proportion flaws but many are fixable as many parts can be mixed and matched and they do have the worse figure maybe ever in Big Bossman and they lack a Johhny V , Adorable One , The Dragon and MM but its still a incredibly deep classic roster that will never be matched and that can never be argued .... Well thats my 2 cents so which ever you like we can all agree nothing can ever touch 80s Wrestling and a funny thing whenever I look at figures in any store why are there tons of Modern day wrestlers but all the Legends are sold out fast
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 21, 2014 16:09:01 GMT -5
Jakks was never supposed to be "in scale" I don't get why so many people are OBSESSED with the heights of wrestling toys. You can't really compare Mattel & Jakks because Mattel's as a whole are a lot smaller. So obviously a Mattel Rey & A Jakks Rey are going to look ridiculous together. At this point though haven't we all moved on? I wasn't sold on Mattel from the beginning, a lot of figures were (and still are to be honest) too small looking. But at this point I've sold about 75% of my Jakks collection and I've got almost 800 Mattel's. I love what Mattel is doing. They aren't perfect, but nothing is. They do some real head scratchers....but at least their attires are fully painted. This. I've never understood why Scale is such a big issue. Even then Mattel is often wrong when they make a figure, as far as scale. I've also thought the figures looked tiny and the face sculpts, wow. Some of those first Mattels looked HORRIBLE, to me. I remember seeing protos for the first wave of legends. The protos had visible screws/pegs in the joints. I thought it looked so amateurish and silly. This kept me from buying the first wave of Mattel Legends. I remember when they hit the stores LOD, Austin, Snuka all had either a coat or vest or pads on the shoulders so I couldnt see if the finished product had those visible screws in the joints. Really when ever I see anyone mention scale it makes me laugh. Wouldnt scale have been a next step for wwe figures to take? LJN was just a big plastic statue. Hasbros had some movement but were much smaller. Jakks kind of balanced things out, the figures had a lot more articulation and were not as small as Hasbro yet not as big as LJN. So really what path could Mattel have taken to distinguish themselves from the pre-existing figures? Mattel made the figures to scale and gave them a little bit more articulation, but they are smaller than jakks figures. Scale was the only thing Mattel could have done to set them selves apart from Jakks, Hasbro, and LJN. I just wonder what the next company will do to set themselves apart from what already exists? Or, worst case scenario, will the figures regress to a loss articulated style? Personally I like Jakks better. Here is why I think that below. Jakks had a great run with the classics/ra figures and we got so many different characters. I hope Mattel continues and goes on to have a bigger catalog/roster of characters than Jakks, but I dont think it will happen. I dont remember Jakks being so hung up on one guy. Mattel is all about making as many Cena figures as possible. I remember I never saw Stone Cold or Rock figures warming shelves in the Jakks days, yet with Mattel it feels like we get the same guys made every month and it clogs shelves so much. I have a few tin containers full of different Jakks accessories. Every figure I purchased from jakks had some kind of accessory in the package. With Mattel pretty much no basic comes with an accessory and even some of the Elites come with nothing. I just see this as corporate greed, why make accessories when they can just laugh all the way to the bank? And lastly, since I just touched on it. Cost. I look at a jakks figure, and it is so bulky, and they came with accessories, all this costs money to produce. Mattel makes a smaller figure, with little to no accessories, yet they charge more than what Jakks use to cost. I know Mattel is a bigger company, they've been in business longer, so I assume they have lower production costs. If the figures are smaller, then they obviously cost less to produce as far as raw materials go, so why does it cost more? Now before anyone answers that I know they are a business and they will aim to make a profit. It just doesnt sit well with me that Mattel costs so much more at retail than what Jakks use to cost. I guess we are just lucky Mattel decided to make wwe figures in the way we currently know them to be and not in a Barbie style.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 21, 2014 19:46:30 GMT -5
I have a few tin containers full of different Jakks accessories. Every figure I purchased from jakks had some kind of accessory in the package. With Mattel pretty much no basic comes with an accessory and even some of the Elites come with nothing. I just see this as corporate greed, why make accessories when they can just laugh all the way to the bank? And lastly, since I just touched on it. Cost. I look at a jakks figure, and it is so bulky, and they came with accessories, all this costs money to produce. Mattel makes a smaller figure, with little to no accessories, yet they charge more than what Jakks use to cost. I know Mattel is a bigger company, they've been in business longer, so I assume they have lower production costs. If the figures are smaller, then they obviously cost less to produce as far as raw materials go, so why does it cost more? Now before anyone answers that I know they are a business and they will aim to make a profit. It just doesnt sit well with me that Mattel costs so much more at retail than what Jakks use to cost. Isn't that just inflation though? I mean, the Jakks CS first started over 10 years ago - fact is, EVERYTHING costs more these days... It's not just Mattel - the Elite figures cost around the same as similar-sized Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black series... even 3 3/4 figures cost over $10 now.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 21, 2014 20:00:05 GMT -5
I don't understand how anyone could say Jakks was better than Mattel. Because they've spent thousands of dollars on their Jakks figures and facing the reality of how poor those figures look now would be too hard to handle... Hell, most of us who collect Mattel now went through a similar thing when the license changed.
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Post by Mox on Jul 21, 2014 20:49:31 GMT -5
I don't understand how anyone could say Jakks was better than Mattel. Because they've spent thousands of dollars on their Jakks figures and facing the reality of how poor those figures look now would be too hard to handle. That's not very nice. Jakks will become desirable again. It's going to happen and everyone's going to be rebuying their MOC CS collection soon enough. Mark my words. Some people in this thread need to watch more American Pickers. For the major underlying lesson.
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 21, 2014 21:41:54 GMT -5
I have a few tin containers full of different Jakks accessories. Every figure I purchased from jakks had some kind of accessory in the package. With Mattel pretty much no basic comes with an accessory and even some of the Elites come with nothing. I just see this as corporate greed, why make accessories when they can just laugh all the way to the bank? And lastly, since I just touched on it. Cost. I look at a jakks figure, and it is so bulky, and they came with accessories, all this costs money to produce. Mattel makes a smaller figure, with little to no accessories, yet they charge more than what Jakks use to cost. I know Mattel is a bigger company, they've been in business longer, so I assume they have lower production costs. If the figures are smaller, then they obviously cost less to produce as far as raw materials go, so why does it cost more? Now before anyone answers that I know they are a business and they will aim to make a profit. It just doesnt sit well with me that Mattel costs so much more at retail than what Jakks use to cost. Isn't that just inflation though? I mean, the Jakks CS first started over 10 years ago - fact is, EVERYTHING costs more these days... It's not just Mattel - the Elite figures cost around the same as similar-sized Marvel Legends and Star Wars Black series... even 3 3/4 figures cost over $10 now. Part of it could be inflation? I just look at the fact that I use to pay 9.99 for a classics figure, which had accessories. And then The very first wave of legends cost 16.99. From one month to another almost it seemed. Granted the elite Jakks figures cost more, I think 11.99? That's still a very steep increase from one month to another. Fast foward to today, my local target sells elites for 23.99. That's more than double what I use to pay for classics. I can believe inflation makes things more expensive. But Mattels are much smaller, so therefore cost less in materials. And Mattels come with less accessories, so there is NO WAY inflation has led to the prices we pay today.
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Post by jfinnomore on Jul 21, 2014 22:19:54 GMT -5
I'd hate it if Jakks got the contract back but my wallet would love it.
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Post by Negan™ on Jul 21, 2014 22:28:34 GMT -5
I don't understand how anyone could say Jakks was better than Mattel. Because they've spent thousands of dollars on their Jakks figures and facing the reality of how poor those figures look now would be too hard to handle... Hell, most of us who collect Mattel now went through a similar thing when the license changed. I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm all for differing opinions and everything and if you like Jakks's figures then more power to you. But to say they're better than Mattel is a flat out lie. It's different when comparing Xbox to Playstation. Both are relatively similar in graphics whereas I'm finding it hard to find an action figure that Jakks have made that was better than Mattel's counterpart. When you take that into account AND the fact that Mattel have complete paint jobs and accurate attires with unique specific molds and more accessories and cloth t-shirts, I think it makes it more or less a fact that they put more effort in and are therefore the better toy makers. Take Bray Wyatt for example... Mattel NAILED his Elite figure. They gave him a removable cloth shirt, a hat and a specific body mold along with accurate parts.... Now imagine Jakks's attempt. I can picture it right now - Molded on shirt that's not removable and was probably used multiples times on other wrestlers, big oversized head which doesn't even fit the hat accessory (if we were lucky to get one), on top of that he would have steroid arms and a Super Heavyweight Body with Abs. And don't forget, he would probably be the same size as The Undertaker. That's not a real work of art. That's laziness. And I'm ashamed that I accepted that and spent money on them.
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Post by Mox on Jul 21, 2014 22:33:24 GMT -5
Because they've spent thousands of dollars on their Jakks figures and facing the reality of how poor those figures look now would be too hard to handle... Hell, most of us who collect Mattel now went through a similar thing when the license changed. I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm all for differing opinions and everything and if you like Jakks's figures then more power to you. But to say they're better than Mattel is a flat out lie. It's different when comparing Xbox to Playstation. Both are relatively similar in graphics whereas I'm finding it hard to find an action figure that Jakks have made that was better than Mattel's counterpart. When you take that into account AND the fact that Mattel have complete paint jobs and accurate attires with more accessories and cloth t-shirts, I think it makes it more or less a fact that they put more effort in and are therefore the better makers. But your facts sound so much like opinions.
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 22, 2014 3:22:45 GMT -5
Part of it could be inflation? I just look at the fact that I use to pay 9.99 for a classics figure, which had accessories. And then The very first wave of legends cost 16.99. From one month to another almost it seemed. Granted the elite Jakks figures cost more, I think 11.99? That's still a very steep increase from one month to another. Fast foward to today, my local target sells elites for 23.99. That's more than double what I use to pay for classics. I can believe inflation makes things more expensive. But Mattels are much smaller, so therefore cost less in materials. And Mattels come with less accessories, so there is NO WAY inflation has led to the prices we pay today. ...we have to remember too that Jakks used a LOT of the same parts (arms, bodies, legs) for most figures and had already been mass-producing them for years. A lot of Mattel's parts are unique - and they had to start from scratch. But yeah, rising costs suck - there seems to have been a sharp price increase with most toy companies in the last few years though... when ToyBiz had the Marvel Legends line, I used to pay 8.99 or 9.99 a figure... now (with Hasbro) it's 16.99. And a whopping 19.99 for Star Wars Black 6" series (more than WWE Elites!). And Sideshow 12" figures seem to be a LOT more expensive lately too. I think if Jakks were still making the CS now (over 5 years later) they would probably be costing much more than 9.99...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 3:43:02 GMT -5
Because they've spent thousands of dollars on their Jakks figures and facing the reality of how poor those figures look now would be too hard to handle... Hell, most of us who collect Mattel now went through a similar thing when the license changed. I think you hit the nail on the head. I'm all for differing opinions and everything and if you like Jakks's figures then more power to you. But to say they're better than Mattel is a flat out lie. It's different when comparing Xbox to Playstation. Both are relatively similar in graphics whereas I'm finding it hard to find an action figure that Jakks have made that was better than Mattel's counterpart. When you take that into account AND the fact that Mattel have complete paint jobs and accurate attires with unique specific molds and more accessories and cloth t-shirts, I think it makes it more or less a fact that they put more effort in and are therefore the better toy makers. Take Bray Wyatt for example... Mattel NAILED his Elite figure. They gave him a removable cloth shirt, a hat and a specific body mold along with accurate parts.... Now imagine Jakks's attempt. I can picture it right now - Molded on shirt that's not removable and was probably used multiples times on other wrestlers, big oversized head which doesn't even fit the hat accessory (if we were lucky to get one), on top of that he would have steroid arms and a Super Heavyweight Body with Abs. And don't forget, he would probably be the same size as The Undertaker. That's not a real work of art. That's laziness. And I'm ashamed that I accepted that and spent money on them. Someone can hold the opposing view without it having anything to do with how much they've spent (time/money) on their collection. Like I said before, everyone has different standards for what is important in figures. You use 'molded' as an example & that's great. Let's look at Jakks' CS Berzerker -- typically stated to be one of their greatest figures. He has a molded viking cap with horns. But, you know what? It doesn't matter to me & several others. It may bother you & you can think Mattel's would be better, but it's perfect in my eyes. He has a cloth top, so they were capable of doing that. It was an amazing figure that represents everything great about the size of Jakks figures & why they're preferred by some. Molded shirts aren't ideal, but the first release of a Carlito figure, RA15 (I think)...unless you count the WM21 figure -- had a molded hawaiian print shirt...not even painted on the back. Terrible right? To me, I'd take that figure any day over the ones released from Mattel. It has nothing to do with the gimmick being different, but I just prefer the size & scan from Jakks. I'd rather nothing on the back of a shirt than Mattels issues, ex. Legend Mr. Perfect's super long legs with a body so skinny you feel like you're holding something a bit dainty. I'm not saying Mattels aren't often great, or better at times...but it's a subjective preference & foolish to say "this is why other people think how they think & they're absolutely wrong." ** I'm not upset that Mattel has the line. I welcomed it because it got me 2 amazing Stings from Jakks....almost got me a Scott Steiner (tag version, so close I could taste it); and Steamboat, Tornado, proper Bossman, & Macho King/Man from Mattel (still holding on for hope on Evil Crush & a few others). I kept my Jakks & added some Mattels to my overall collection...which I'm happy about. 1. Jakks Demolition Crush (forget the body size & simply going on face scan & overall appearance....to me, is just leaps & bounds above what Mattel came out with) 2. LOD -- I can't get over Mattel's extra long arms & cartoonish proportions on those & much prefer Jakks 3. Bossman is without question won by Mattel...not even in the same ball park 4. If I'm allowed to mention size of the figures again...Million Dollar Man entrance greats is so petite that (for me) Jakks for the win, even with the molded suit (CSTT, CSDA, Kmart Belt figure) & CS3 without the suit too you get the gist
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Post by Colter on Jul 22, 2014 9:10:57 GMT -5
People be like "JAKKS is better than Mattel!!!!" While Mattel be like And JAKKS be over in the corner like
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 22, 2014 10:35:27 GMT -5
Part of it could be inflation? I just look at the fact that I use to pay 9.99 for a classics figure, which had accessories. And then The very first wave of legends cost 16.99. From one month to another almost it seemed. Granted the elite Jakks figures cost more, I think 11.99? That's still a very steep increase from one month to another. Fast foward to today, my local target sells elites for 23.99. That's more than double what I use to pay for classics. I can believe inflation makes things more expensive. But Mattels are much smaller, so therefore cost less in materials. And Mattels come with less accessories, so there is NO WAY inflation has led to the prices we pay today. ... we have to remember too that Jakks used a LOT of the same parts (arms, bodies, legs) for most figures and had already been mass-producing them for years. A lot of Mattel's parts are unique - and they had to start from scratch. But yeah, rising costs suck - there seems to have been a sharp price increase with most toy companies in the last few years though... when ToyBiz had the Marvel Legends line, I used to pay 8.99 or 9.99 a figure... now (with Hasbro) it's 16.99. And a whopping 19.99 for Star Wars Black 6" series (more than WWE Elites!). And Sideshow 12" figures seem to be a LOT more expensive lately too. I think if Jakks were still making the CS now (over 5 years later) they would probably be costing much more than 9.99... Mattel also uses the same parts for many figures.
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Post by Halloween King on Jul 22, 2014 10:37:17 GMT -5
People be like "JAKKS is better than Mattel!!!!" While Mattel be like And JAKKS be over in the corner like Lol please realize that Barbie made Mattel rich long before Jakks ever existed.
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Post by Colter on Jul 22, 2014 10:40:29 GMT -5
People be like "JAKKS is better than Mattel!!!!" While Mattel be like And JAKKS be over in the corner like Lol please realize that Barbie made Mattel rich long before Jakks ever existed. I am well aware of this, my post was a joke after all.
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 22, 2014 10:49:27 GMT -5
A few points ......... I have no clue who says Jakks doesnt hold their value or even popularity but as a collector I watch everything on ebay and the incredible bid wars on most classic figures as they really hold their price and then some . Just to name a few WM2 rings are selling for almost $300 , Andre , Hogan , Fuji , Shango and any Announcer if you can find them all sell from $20 to $30 plus dollars and thats out of the box used and NOBODY can ever touch Jakks CS Roster . Mattel still no Beefcake , Valentine , Announcers or a RSR classic ring , jeez what do you mattel guys use as a ring ? seriously I mean with Jakks my options are near limitless and mattel is nothing but limited . I see it this way when I do a WWF scene and set up figures I try to paint a picture and if nothing stands out Im good to go but with Mattel that over articulation crap doesnt even give it a chance just a horrible design to look at and they will NEVER have a RSR or classic announcers like jakks line up so its all for not if you ever wanna create a classic authentic WWF scene because you cant ! A few more notes I also sold my custom Bald Head Fuji with Ralphs robe for $80 buy now on feebay and 5 custom Hercules I did for $50 a piece so if thats not interest I dont know what is as Jakks CS are very addicting so I just stick with a 1985 to 87 Roster .
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2014 11:11:29 GMT -5
Personally I can't choose. Jakks has some real great stuff and some real blah stuff. Mattel has some great stuff and really blah stuff. I think Jakks had better line ups. While Mattel's Elite line is much better then the Deluxe Line. Although I love Deluxe Agression and Deluxe Classic line.
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