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Post by The-Rock on Jul 28, 2014 22:43:02 GMT -5
I haven't collected in years and only collected until like Basic 7. But I will happily give my opinion. It took Jakks from 2003 until 2009 to make it RA 40. It took Mattel from 2010 to 2014 to make it to Basic 40.
Mattel seems to struggle with head scans, part variety, and body type accuracy (as a result of part variety). However, as a result of the large part variety...Jakks figures had a tendency to be very out of scale. Additionally, Jakks could make a version of a figure using one torso and boot mold, then the next month or two come out with the same figure with a better/correct mold.
Jakks was really good about getting the new/returning superstars out quickly.
Mattel is better at getting all of the little tattoos and small details, while Jakks never had any of this "only elites get color tattoos" BS. However, this also can be a double edged sword since Mattel will release a super accurate figure that Jakks would have minority tweaked to make better. An example of this is how Mattel released PPV 3 Edge wearing his old boots, with new trunks from his return at the 2010 Royal Rumble. He wore those boots like once or twice, then switched to the kick pads that matched his new tights. Where as had Jakks released that figure, they would have most likely given him the new boots but packaged it as a RR'10 figure.
In terms of playing,which after all is what the figures are intended for, Jakks was much much much better than Mattel.
Mattel is really stingy with belts and accessories. It was great to get a figure in Jakks and get a spare belt, chair, ladder, or table. This was usually in addition to sunglasses, hats, vests, etc.
A big knock on Jakks, as others have mentioned, was how many street gear figures they created.
It's not fair to really compare Deluxe Aggression to Elites. As Elites are intended for collectors, and DA's were intended to be for better articulation for playing. Anyone that tries to argue this needs to look no further than the accessories each came with...DA's came with weapons that did functions (the chair with a face, catapults, missiles, etc) and Elite's come with accessories, clothing, etc.
It's also not fair to look at anything Jakks produced from late 2008 - 2009 since by that point they knew they had lost the contract and they were keeping production costs low. However, they still did produce quite a few great figures before the end (RA 40 jericho, AD 37 Orton, etc). Jakks was really in their prime in 2005-2007.
Jakks was notorious for creating completely new parts specifically for certain superstars. A good example of this is RA 31 Batista which features a boot mold they made specifically for him, a torso (which wasn't new but was greater just for him in 2006), a new head scan, and etc. Another nice example is how this figure came with that nice big gold WHC.
A good example to compare Jakks to Mattel would be to look at how both companies would handle a 2014 Batista or Chris Jericho. Mattel will omit whichever tattoos they can't produce on jericho, where as jakks would take the creative liberty to put something on there that resembles it but doesn't infringe. With batista, Mattel will produce a super detailed figure using parts that don't really match his attire. Where as Jakks would have been able to use that gym shoe mold, an older scan, and taken a few liberties on that tattoos and attire to get a "general idea" figure out back in like May.
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 28, 2014 23:35:26 GMT -5
Talk to me when Mattel makes a true 1980s era WWF items like 2 WM RSR , Managers , a Ref figure , The Dream Team , all ring announcers and around 60 average wrestlers that will NEVER have a mattel figure like , Atom Bomb , Giant Gonzalez , Barry Windham , The British Bulldogs or Killer Bees and then we can make a discussion out of this thread as mattel just doesnt have enough substance to have a discussion yet ... Period . Hopefully Mattel will add a few more each year and we can then discuse this properly in 9 years Well, you can have your Adam Bomb, Giant Gonzalez and Barry Windham etc. - Mattel collectors will somehow just have to make do with guys like Macho Man, Steamboat and Sting... Hulkster Brother , when you can say you have A mattel WM rsr ring and WM2 rsr with a steel cage with Mean gene doing interviews , The Fink doing the intros and Jesse , Bobby , Vince or Gorilla doing the announcing with the US express Rotundo and Windham led by to the ring by Captain Lou vs your tag team Champions The Dream Team Brutus Beefcake and Greg the Hammer Valentine led to the Ring with a Ralphs Custom Luscious Johnny V then we can actually have a legitimate discussion but intil then the point is mute as the mattel line for true legends is about as deep as a puddle at this point . and whatch you gonna do when Hulkster mania maybe 10 figure versions by Jakks runs over you
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 28, 2014 23:47:50 GMT -5
I haven't collected in years and only collected until like Basic 7. But I will happily give my opinion. It took Jakks from 2003 until 2009 to make it RA 40. It took Mattel from 2010 to 2014 to make it to Basic 40. Mattel seems to struggle with head scans, part variety, and body type accuracy (as a result of part variety). However, as a result of the large part variety...Jakks figures had a tendency to be very out of scale. Additionally, Jakks could make a version of a figure using one torso and boot mold, then the next month or two come out with the same figure with a better/correct mold. Jakks was really good about getting the new/returning superstars out quickly. Mattel is better at getting all of the little tattoos and small details, while Jakks never had any of this "only elites get color tattoos" BS. However, this also can be a double edged sword since Mattel will release a super accurate figure that Jakks would have minority tweaked to make better. An example of this is how Mattel released PPV 3 Edge wearing his old boots, with new trunks from his return at the 2010 Royal Rumble. He wore those boots like once or twice, then switched to the kick pads that matched his new tights. Where as had Jakks released that figure, they would have most likely given him the new boots but packaged it as a RR'10 figure. In terms of playing,which after all is what the figures are intended for, Jakks was much much much better than Mattel. Mattel is really stingy with belts and accessories. It was great to get a figure in Jakks and get a spare belt, chair, ladder, or table. This was usually in addition to sunglasses, hats, vests, etc. A big knock on Jakks, as others have mentioned, was how many street gear figures they created. It's not fair to really compare Deluxe Aggression to Elites. As Elites are intended for collectors, and DA's were intended to be for better articulation for playing. Anyone that tries to argue this needs to look no further than the accessories each came with...DA's came with weapons that did functions (the chair with a face, catapults, missiles, etc) and Elite's come with accessories, clothing, etc. It's also not fair to look at anything Jakks produced from late 2008 - 2009 since by that point they knew they had lost the contract and they were keeping production costs low. However, they still did produce quite a few great figures before the end (RA 40 jericho, AD 37 Orton, etc). Jakks was really in their prime in 2005-2007. Jakks was notorious for creating completely new parts specifically for certain superstars. A good example of this is RA 31 Batista which features a boot mold they made specifically for him, a torso (which wasn't new but was greater just for him in 2006), a new head scan, and etc. Another nice example is how this figure came with that nice big gold WHC. A good example to compare Jakks to Mattel would be to look at how both companies would handle a 2014 Batista or Chris Jericho. Mattel will omit whichever tattoos they can't produce on jericho, where as jakks would take the creative liberty to put something on there that resembles it but doesn't infringe. With batista, Mattel will produce a super detailed figure using parts that don't really match his attire. Where as Jakks would have been able to use that gym shoe mold, an older scan, and taken a few liberties on that tattoos and attire to get a "general idea" figure out back in like May. Great stuff and I smell what your cooking Rock and the only thing I can really knock Jakks for is scale and the worst figure ever Big Bossman and while Jakks seems more larger than life then mattel I dont know how so many can look by the creepy crotch and thigh articulate ! I also understand we now live in a disposable world these days where everyone mostly youths want the latest and most current thing and forgets the past in moments So thats probably alot of it but thanks again for the great info I learned alot , man you guys really know your stuff .
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 29, 2014 1:40:04 GMT -5
Well, you can have your Adam Bomb, Giant Gonzalez and Barry Windham etc. - Mattel collectors will somehow just have to make do with guys like Macho Man, Steamboat and Sting... Hulkster Brother , when you can say you have A mattel WM rsr ring and WM2 rsr with a steel cage with Mean gene doing interviews , The Fink doing the intros and Jesse , Bobby , Vince or Gorilla doing the announcing with the US express Rotundo and Windham led by to the ring by Captain Lou vs your tag team Champions The Dream Team Brutus Beefcake and Greg the Hammer Valentine led to the Ring with a Ralphs Custom Luscious Johnny V then we can actually have a legitimate discussion but intil then the point is mute as the mattel line for true legends is about as deep as a puddle at this point . and whatch you gonna do when Hulkster mania maybe 10 figure versions by Jakks runs over you
Well, I'm very happy with my Elite Real-Scale Ring, thanks. And, for me anyway, quality figures of big-names is far more important than lesser-quality figures of lesser names. Sure, having guys like Rotunda, Windham, Beefcake, Valentine is cool - but, if need be, I can do without them in my collection. I HAVE to have Macho Man and Steamboat though... especially Savage, who along with Hogan and Warrior are considered the "big three". If you'd made this argument before Mattel showed/gave us Hogan, Sting and Razor, you might have had a point. But now... no way - not only are Mattel's figures better, but they now have all the main guys and big names.
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 29, 2014 1:52:11 GMT -5
Hulkster Brother , when you can say you have A mattel WM rsr ring and WM2 rsr with a steel cage with Mean gene doing interviews , The Fink doing the intros and Jesse , Bobby , Vince or Gorilla doing the announcing with the US express Rotundo and Windham led by to the ring by Captain Lou vs your tag team Champions The Dream Team Brutus Beefcake and Greg the Hammer Valentine led to the Ring with a Ralphs Custom Luscious Johnny V then we can actually have a legitimate discussion but intil then the point is mute as the mattel line for true legends is about as deep as a puddle at this point . and whatch you gonna do when Hulkster mania maybe 10 figure versions by Jakks runs over you
Well, I'm very happy with my Elite Real-Scale Ring, thanks. And, for me anyway, quality figures of big-names is far more important than lesser-quality figures of lesser names. Sure, having guys like Rotunda, Windham, Beefcake, Valentine is cool - but, if need be, I can do without them in my collection. I HAVE to have Macho Man and Steamboat though... especially Savage, who along with Hogan and Warrior are considered the "big three". If you'd made this argument before Mattel showed/gave us Hogan, Sting and Razor, you might have had a point. But now... no way - not only are Mattel's figures better, but they now have all the main guys and big names. Wheres the red white and blue ropes ? sounds like another swiss cheese defense ? you shouldnt have to defend your purchase as all that matters is what you think ! but out of curiosity who announces your wrestlers and then who refs and then who call the match .................. game set and match Jakks
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Post by RybackV1 on Jul 29, 2014 1:55:56 GMT -5
In what kind of ridiculous, bizzaro, comic book universe do you live in where Shawn Michaels is a 7 foot tall, 260 lbs. ripped muscle bound giant? Jakks did a lot of cool things, but scale, realism and overall look were never any of them. Why am I laughing so hard at this Prob because it's true
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 29, 2014 2:13:42 GMT -5
I finally figured out what bothers me so much about mattel thigh and crotch design flaw and its because they copied it from the Crunchers line almost bowlegged and the chicken legs and ball joint that goes into the trunk is freakin me out complete fail ....
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 29, 2014 2:53:31 GMT -5
Well, I'm very happy with my Elite Real-Scale Ring, thanks. And, for me anyway, quality figures of big-names is far more important than lesser-quality figures of lesser names. Sure, having guys like Rotunda, Windham, Beefcake, Valentine is cool - but, if need be, I can do without them in my collection. I HAVE to have Macho Man and Steamboat though... especially Savage, who along with Hogan and Warrior are considered the "big three". If you'd made this argument before Mattel showed/gave us Hogan, Sting and Razor, you might have had a point. But now... no way - not only are Mattel's figures better, but they now have all the main guys and big names. Wheres the red white and blue ropes ? sounds like another swiss cheese defense ? you shouldnt have to defend your purchase as all that matters is what you think ! but out of curiosity who announces your wrestlers and then who refs and then who call the match .................. game set and match Jakks I'm not defending my purchases... I love my Elite Scale Ring - I don't really care what colours the ropes are, lol. Just out of interest - how do you create classic matches like Savage Vs Steamboat, Steamboat Vs Flair, Savage Vs Flair etc.? I suppose you have an announcer and ref, so small things like that don't matter... And just wait until we get a classic Sting too... that will be 3 HUGE names missing from the Jakks CS line. Give me guys like these over mid-carders, announcers and refs any day, lol.
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Post by MeanDean73 on Jul 29, 2014 3:42:30 GMT -5
This is a mattel forum thus mattel wins thank and ill use your jakks ref and accesories with my mattel elites and asr ring
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Post by mrsask on Jul 29, 2014 12:56:20 GMT -5
Jakks only beat Mattel in two areas:
1. The number of classic superstars Jakks released was astounding! Since I like Flashbacks and old-school wrestlers the most, this was great.
2. When you found out about an upcoming a Jakks series, it would actually hit the stores unlike Mattel not hitting Canada most of the time. With Jakks you could actually purchase the wrestlers you wanted! I don't think there was any short packing occurring either.
Other than these two points, Mattel wins hands down even though the company can be quite frustrating at times!
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 29, 2014 13:16:02 GMT -5
Wheres the red white and blue ropes ? sounds like another swiss cheese defense ? you shouldnt have to defend your purchase as all that matters is what you think ! but out of curiosity who announces your wrestlers and then who refs and then who call the match .................. game set and match Jakks I'm not defending my purchases... I love my Elite Scale Ring - I don't really care what colours the ropes are, lol. Just out of interest - how do you create classic matches like Savage Vs Steamboat, Steamboat Vs Flair, Savage Vs Flair etc.? I suppose you have an announcer and ref, so small things like that don't matter... And just wait until we get a classic Sting too... that will be 3 HUGE names missing from the Jakks CS line. Give me guys like these over mid-carders, announcers and refs any day, lol. See having just all main liners is fine if you just wanna eat steak but steak can get pretty boring over time when theres no veggies potatoes or even dessert and when Im done playing with Jakks I just feel fulll . I have a thread in the Jakks section with my current full setup in progress on the last page and I have a few custom setups for MM , Liz and steamboat but they really dont figure in my Universe as I focus on the greatest era for tag teams 1985-87 which Jakks is so deep and the whole Hogan , Piper , Orton , Orndorff and Andre for my singles and the Announcers and managers play a huge part to paint my picture . Not for nothing but Flair is one of my least favorite wrestlers and I dont even consider him WWF and just like the Freebirds more down south . As I mentioned when I saw the WM and WM2 RSR I was sold just a amazing accessory and so many figures are easy mods to mix and match and its blast and never ending as I can do things I have planned for the next 10 years and still not be close to finished and in that sense Jakks has a incredible replay value especially in eras and not limiting like mattel ...
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 29, 2014 13:31:13 GMT -5
I finally figured out what bothers me so much about mattel thigh and crotch design flaw and its because they copied it from the Crunchers line almost bowlegged and the chicken legs and ball joint that goes into the trunk is freakin me out complete fail .... If this is your best shot at defending your purchases, I think the thread's done.
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 29, 2014 13:37:01 GMT -5
I finally figured out what bothers me so much about mattel thigh and crotch design flaw and its because they copied it from the Crunchers line almost bowlegged and the chicken legs and ball joint that goes into the trunk is freakin me out complete fail .... I think this says it all , just look at the leg to trunks area ? it cant be denied ! case closed Crunchers should sue Mattel
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Post by Mox on Jul 29, 2014 13:41:03 GMT -5
I like both and am currently displaying both.
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Post by ayato1381 on Jul 29, 2014 14:15:16 GMT -5
This is very easy: I buy Mattel's figures. I don't buy any of the old Jakks'. There Mattel is better. Ahhhh, I feel better knowing that.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 29, 2014 14:39:56 GMT -5
I think the gimmick has ran its course now.
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Post by saintpatrick33 on Jul 29, 2014 15:45:50 GMT -5
Ok just the facts and Im done when Mattel can do this we will talk ... until then debate closed do to lack of evidence by mattel ...
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Post by SteveHulk on Jul 30, 2014 12:40:59 GMT -5
See having just all main liners is fine if you just wanna eat steak but steak can get pretty boring over time when theres no veggies potatoes or even dessert and when Im done playing with Jakks I just feel fulll . I have a thread in the Jakks section with my current full setup in progress on the last page and I have a few custom setups for MM , Liz and steamboat but they really dont figure in my Universe as I focus on the greatest era for tag teams 1985-87 which Jakks is so deep and the whole Hogan , Piper , Orton , Orndorff and Andre for my singles and the Announcers and managers play a huge part to paint my picture . Not for nothing but Flair is one of my least favorite wrestlers and I dont even consider him WWF and just like the Freebirds more down south .
...so your focus is mainly tag-teams from 1985-1987? Macho Man, Liz and Steamboat don't really figure in your universe - and Flair is one of your least-favourite wrestlers? What about other '80's, '90's, Attitude Era and '00/current guys? You have to realise that you have a VERY limited era/collection there... to most collectors, having big names and a variety of guys from different periods is far more important than mid-carders, announcers, managers etc. from one specific (fairly tiny) period. Jakks only beat Mattel in two areas: 1. The number of classic superstars Jakks released was astounding! Since I like Flashbacks and old-school wrestlers the most, this was great. 2. When you found out about an upcoming a Jakks series, it would actually hit the stores unlike Mattel not hitting Canada most of the time. With Jakks you could actually purchase the wrestlers you wanted! I don't think there was any short packing occurring either. Other than these two points, Mattel wins hands down Game, set and match.
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Post by Mox on Jul 30, 2014 12:47:27 GMT -5
Mattel is hands down the best at overpricing figures.
End of story. Mattel wins.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 30, 2014 12:54:19 GMT -5
I don't understand how this thread is still a thing...Mattel is a clear winner.
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