snickelodeon
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Post by snickelodeon on Aug 7, 2014 14:51:12 GMT -5
Let's see if we can get some chat going.
I guess most people that read the TNA board are fans of TNA or are at least interested in TNA and would follow TNA if they heard it was improving.
My question is what's YOUR problem with TNA, I'll tell you my problems below and we'll see if we can get some good debate going.
Main reason I'm doing this while I am interested, I'm on nights tonight in front of a computer so this will help me stay awake.
My problems with TNA
- I don't trust TNA to continuously produce good T.V Too many bad insulting my intelligence T.V shows leads me not want to watch every week
- No true pecking order really established What I mean by this is one week someone take your pick Eric Young, Ken Anderson, James Storm, Samoa Joe, Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles could be in and around the title picture the next weeks months could be spent doing little to nothing at the wrong end of the card. Becoming the TNA champion should automatically mean that wrestler is protected to a certain extent going forward, it would make beating him feel like more of an accomplishment.
- No face of TNA There has never really been a true face of TNA, I know some people would argue AJ but he was never really branded that way. Someone whoever needs to be placed on the pedestal as the top guy build the company round him it gives the company a focus then.
- Being WWE/ECW lite Getting better at this but still room for improvement - TNA need their own idenity.
Other personal preferences, that I would prefer... - More sports feel - no more in ring talking segments, or make them seem like a bigger deal add realism a reporter holding a microphone. - Poor officials - General look - No can't see the camera backstage segments or at least set them up again to look more realistic - Have time limits - Believable characters
There's probably more I also know there are things there the WWE could improve on too, but I'm looking at TNA. Also this is my opinion, I would like to hear what you guys think agree/disagree
Should also get this out there I am not a TNA hater, just think they are making too many easy mistakes and hopefully with the rumours going around it's not to late to fix them.
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 7, 2014 18:24:14 GMT -5
Dixie Carter is to blame for everything
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 18:47:14 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett had no idea what he was doing and put the company in the hands of people who had even less of a clue what they were doing.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Aug 7, 2014 18:47:23 GMT -5
TNA's problem, Dixie Carter, no real top guys, and barely any promotion. Main problem, Dixie Carter!
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Post by Roman Bellic on Aug 7, 2014 18:49:27 GMT -5
Dixie Carter, and not cracking down on the wellness policy ( ing jeff Hardy)
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Post by sitruC on Aug 8, 2014 20:15:31 GMT -5
Hogan.
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Aug 8, 2014 20:45:47 GMT -5
Hogan, and Spike having to much say imo
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Aug 8, 2014 21:21:13 GMT -5
:Puts on Bad Influence shirt:
Back in 2006 TNA was amazing and was doing their own thing, allowing themselves to be a good alternative to WWE.
They had great ideas, like Ultimate X, The X Division itself, and the best womens wrestling on TV.
However, they brought on Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff and his son (who would've been fine had he stayed a ref), and an investor in Panda Energy and Dixie Carter, who clearly have too much say in what TNA does.
Vince Russo and Spike can be blamed for their "input" as well. Spike's push for MMA fighters to become wrestlers? How stupid is that? "Oh! WWE is bringing back Lesnar, let's bring in Rampage Jackson and see if we can make our own Lesnar!" Nah, that was stupid. It didn't help ratings at all and as far as I can remember the MMA fighters were either stuck in OVW or gave up on becoming wrestlers.
If TNA can create their own stars instead of recycling WWE garbage like Zeke, Lashley, etc. they may actually get somewhere. Grabbing Derrick Bateman was smart because he was really good, just stuck in NXT. The average fan didn't know who he was. AJ Styles, Motor City Machine Guns, Beer Money, Daniels, Kaz, Gen Me, Hernandez, Shark Boy... that's great original talent, you don't need to constantly bring in old names. Use what you have.
They need to get out of the ECW State of Mind. Bringing back Tommy Dreamer? Rhyno? Dudley Boyz? Hell, might as well bring back New Jack, Sabu and Sandman too! Let's have another Hardcore Reunion and call it "Every Night Only: Hardcore Heaven Part 713: Hey, we're still here!"
Can they increase their Knockouts Roster too? I just counted 8 knockouts plus Christy Hemme on their roster. What happened to my waifu Taeler Hendrix? Winter? Lei'D Tapa? Traci Brooks? The last couple times I watched TNA they were using the same 4; Velvet, Angelina, Madison and Brittany. They have some of the best female wrestling besides Shimmer and Japan and they're only re-using the same 4 every time? Gail Kim is KO Champ, where is she?
Thank god they stopped with that neverending nonsense that was Aces and Eights. What the hell was the point? Did they even have a wrap up of that storyline or did they just drop it like WWE? One week Bully Ray is like wearing his "cut" or whatever they called it and saying how great it was, the next week he never mentioned it and it was never brought up again. That's another thing; stop with the dumbass stable storylines. Fortune and Immortal were such a waste of time and it was like Nexus and Corre.
TL;DR Stop trying to be WWE, get better writers and hold on to your homegrown talent!
I really should start watching TNA more often, haven't watched it since the week before they went to NYC and brought back six sides.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 21:36:14 GMT -5
Let's see if we can get some chat going. I guess most people that read the TNA board are fans of TNA or are at least interested in TNA and would follow TNA if they heard it was improving. My question is what's YOUR problem with TNA, I'll tell you my problems below and we'll see if we can get some good debate going. Main reason I'm doing this while I am interested, I'm on nights tonight in front of a computer so this will help me stay awake. My problems with TNA
- I don't trust TNA to continuously produce good T.V Too many bad insulting my intelligence T.V shows leads me not want to watch every week - No true pecking order really establishedWhat I mean by this is one week someone take your pick Eric Young, Ken Anderson, James Storm, Samoa Joe, Jeff Hardy, AJ Styles could be in and around the title picture the next weeks months could be spent doing little to nothing at the wrong end of the card. Becoming the TNA champion should automatically mean that wrestler is protected to a certain extent going forward, it would make beating him feel like more of an accomplishment.
- No face of TNA
There has never really been a true face of TNA, I know some people would argue AJ but he was never really branded that way. Someone whoever needs to be placed on the pedestal as the top guy build the company round him it gives the company a focus then. - Being WWE/ECW lite
Getting better at this but still room for improvement - TNA need their own idenity. Other personal preferences, that I would prefer... - More sports feel - no more in ring talking segments, or make them seem like a bigger deal add realism a reporter holding a microphone. - Poor officials - General look - No can't see the camera backstage segments or at least set them up again to look more realistic - Have time limits - Believable characters Did you just watch the Jim Cornette Guest Booker or something? This sounds almost exactly like what he said he'd do to WWF and WCW.
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Post by snickelodeon on Aug 8, 2014 21:58:46 GMT -5
Never seen it.
But for me a company at its core needs to be basic and realistic with set rules that then allows you to more adventurous.
Get over your rules, your vision your identity.
If you don't do the simple things right you look amateurish on all fronts
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 22:45:53 GMT -5
TNA is just a shell of what it used to be. I was a die hard fan up until a couple years ago. I honestly haven't kept up with the product at all, nothing going on really interests me that much at all anymore about this company. They let most of the guys that I loved watching leave which was stupid, imo. I don't think anything can fix this company at this point.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 9, 2014 7:53:42 GMT -5
Failure to push new stars. Instead of being out there signing guys like Kenta, Devitt, & Steen (before WWE did) Dixie goes out and hires Garrett Bischoff, Wes Brisco, & Mike Knox. Instead of finding the next big thing she goes out and hires WWE's scraps. Plus 9 times out of 10 when TNA hires a former talent from another organization they "piggyback" off of their previous gimmick. If the gimmick was all that great they most likely wouldn't be former talent.
A unyielding desire to be WWE lite. TNA used to be unique. But over the last few years they have diminished everything they had worked for and settled on being too similar to what WWE is doing. X-Division: A shell of what it used to be. Tag team: down to 3 teams. Women's: Lost all the hype they once had. All the things that made TNA look attractive & special are gone.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Aug 9, 2014 9:32:13 GMT -5
I would say a large part of TNA's problem is actually no fault of their own, but the fact that WWE has so highly saturated the market for the wrestling fan. 5 hours of television every week in the U.S. plus more globally (and the Network). The fact that TNA can't appeal to WWE's audience en masse when they have some of WWE's most popular stars from years past says something about the fact that fans may just be overexposed to wrestling right now.
Now, the way they compete with that is by truly providing an alternative to WWE. As others have said, they often find themselves trapped in being "WWE lite."
The other problem that I and others have is that it seems like every character on Impact is an bunghole in some way. There's very blurred lines between who's good and who's bad... they're all just varying degrees of bad. I've got no characters worth rooting for like I do in WWE.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Aug 9, 2014 9:46:30 GMT -5
TNA has always had a ton of potential, but their absolute biggest problem is mismanagement. Bruce Prichard was there and he was micromanaged. They had a shot at Heyman, but they wouldn't give him the control he would have needed. These people in charge know absolutely nothing about wrestling, but they won't relinquish any control to the people who do.
The above problem goes hand in hand with the writing problem. Cornette was there, and even though he may be out of touch he knows basic psychology. They fired him because he didn't go with Russo's misguided vision. In fact, they repeatedly went to the Russo well. Russo, a proven liar, hasn't had a good idea since 1998. I don't blame Russo himself for this. I believe he genuinely thought he knew what he was doing. I similarly don't blame Bischoff for some of the changes he made such as the ring. I don't blame Hogan at all since he was basically a glorified on-air character who didn't actually have any power, and any ideas he may have had went through Bischoff before coming to fruition. Management allowed all of this to happen. Ultimately, management also led TNA to the predicament they are currently in with Spike TV. Even if the Russo lie wasn't the determining factor it played a role.
Management also allowed much of the heart and soul of TNA to leave. AJ should have been a priority, and if what he says is true he certainly wasn't. They wasted all of that money on the terrible MMA guys who have done nothing. What a terrible waste.
The writing is definitely a huge problem as well. They have some good ideas, but way too many illogical, random ideas and downright terrible ideas. Things are getting better currently. For me the show was really only completely unwatchable earlier this year right after MVP came in (nothing against MVP, I think he's awesome, his entrance to the company just marked a bad transitional period).
On the plus side, the Spike president was backstage the other night, so its not over yet. I really hope that they maintain their TV because I would hate to see TNA die. If they survive they need to use this as a wakeup call. They need someone who actually knows their $#!t to take the reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 9:51:24 GMT -5
I really miss the days where all their divisions were strong. You had beer money, MCMGs, LAX, The Dudley's, ect in the tag team division. You had low ki, sonjay dutt, jay leathal, shark boy, kaz, Daniels, ect in the x division. You had awesome long and gail Kim tearing it up better than a lot of the guys could, in the knockout division. And then you had a lot of star power in you're main event scene with the likes of Kurt Angle, AJ Styles, Sting, Samoa Joe.
Man, how I miss those days, it almost brings a tear to my eye to see what TNA has become.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 9:51:30 GMT -5
Lack of Promotion.
Theres no tv commercials on impact on other networks,No radio or tv interviews no nothing.Remember when TNA promoted impact moving to Monday's they promoted the hell out of it and they actually did well in the ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 9:53:58 GMT -5
Lack of Promotion. Theres no tv commercials on impact on other networks,No radio or tv interviews no nothing.Remember when TNA promoted impact moving to Monday's they promoted the hell out of it and they actually did well in the ratings. Yea, ECW had that same problem with TNN, look how that ended.
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Post by ICW on Aug 9, 2014 14:50:24 GMT -5
I think TNA's biggest downfall was their failure to develop themselves as a true alternative to the WWE. Just because they were the "2nd" top promotion in the U.S. never made them a legitimate alternative. They should have done everything in their power to offer everything the WWE did not. Their X-Division should have ALWAYS been their crown jewel. It should never have taken the back burner, especially when the WWE jettisoned their Cruiserweight division in 2006 or 2007ish.
Think about what the WWE was lacking just a few years ago(and still is, in certain areas): No Cruiserweight/high-flying division, no interesting Women's Division, no interesting tag team division, and the overall in-ring product was pretty damn poor.
TNA had an opportunity to build an incredibly strong X-Division, Knockout's Division, Tag Team Division, AND offer some quality wrestling ALL AT THE SAME TIME. They never seemed to bring all of those elements together, something that would've produced a really good product. It seems we went through times when the X-Division was very entertaining but everything else sucked, the Knockouts very interesting but everything else sucked, etc...
I sincerely wonder what position TNA would be in today if they didn't produce such nonsense throughout the past several years. All the legends, bringing in the ECW guys (without being allowed to, ya know, mention ECW), Bubba the Love Sponge, etc...
It's depressing. I sincerely had hope for them many years ago but it feels like they just blew their chance.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 16:01:44 GMT -5
Trying to copy WWE and not being the unique product they used to be.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 9, 2014 16:10:14 GMT -5
Same problem as the WWE Network: Overestimating how much appetite people have for more hours of wrestling a week.
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