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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 8:57:24 GMT -5
Lesnar's rise to the top makes a lot more sense though because Austin was gone, Rock was leaving and they couldn't go back to Taker on top, or Angle or Triple H since the latter two were pretty much just beneath Austin and Rock for the top guys in 2000-2001. You kind of have to push the new guy and it worked. Every time they've tried to do it after that, it's failed because they weren't in the same situation as they were when Brock debuted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 8:59:36 GMT -5
Brock > Sheamus and Del Rio
7 days a week
765 times on Sunday
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Post by Chip on Aug 8, 2014 9:53:37 GMT -5
but it DIDN'T work for Brock.....Brock was young, he was given the keys to the kingdom and he couldn't handle it, so he QUIT 2 years later
all it did for Brock (winning the WWE title and being hot shotted to the top) was enable him to have an awesome/big time UFC career
I'd rather have guys like Sheamus & Del Rio in my company over guys like Brock 10x over. Sheamus & Del Rio are committed to the wrestling industry, they go out week after week breaking their bodies to entertain a bunch of schmucks who just end up bitching about them anyway.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 8, 2014 10:20:40 GMT -5
I think he's a great performer that WWE never really used right. I was on board with him until he won the spinner title at SummerSlam. I thought him holding the IC title and REALLY owning the JBL-like character would have worked. Face Del Rio NEVER made sense.
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Post by jakksking1 on Aug 8, 2014 10:27:42 GMT -5
but it DIDN'T work for Brock.....Brock was young, he was given the keys to the kingdom and he couldn't handle it, so he QUIT 2 years later all it did for Brock (winning the WWE title and being hot shotted to the top) was enable him to have an awesome/big time UFC career y. Really? It looks like it worked out just fine for him. He was getting a huge paycheck in UFC for working 2 nights a year. And now he is getting a huge paycheck in WWE for wrestling 4 PPVs a year. Your "all it did" comment is a little weird since it made him a huge star both inside and outside of wrestling.
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Post by Chip on Aug 8, 2014 10:37:32 GMT -5
my point is that it worked out fine for him OUTSIDE wrestling
and im sure everyone backstage that was just fired for "cost cutting" is very happy Brock is making millions from the WWE working a few dates a year
ratings were the same before Brock was around, and they will be the same after Brock is around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 10:47:06 GMT -5
He had potential to be the Mexican version of JBL or Ted Dibiase but it just clicked. I found him boring and bland. At least he can go back to Mexico and be their John Cena.....or Juan Cena.
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Post by Road Warriors on Aug 8, 2014 11:04:38 GMT -5
Dos Caras Jr is coming home.
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Post by juaumguterres on Aug 8, 2014 11:05:04 GMT -5
Del Rio was one of my favourite wrestlers in WWE and I'm very sad with his release. When he won the Royal Rumble, the world title and money in the bank in the same year, I think he was on the road to be the best heel in the WWE's current roster. But he turned and turned again, lost space in the shows... I heard about he was tired about work on WWE and not be recognized. I think he will return to Mexico, as Dos Caras Jr.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:13:45 GMT -5
except for all the times we've heard stories of verbal abuse or racial/sexist comments toward other employees that in any other company would condone HR firing someone....not the rumors but actual moments discussed in interviews not to mention the physical altercations that go undisciplined between wrestlers backstage -- I'm not saying that you don't fire Del Rio for this, but it is hypocritical (what isn't though, even beyond WWE) Maybe in all those cases there were no witnesses? Maybe Del Rio did this in front of others? Maybe if Del Rio had slapped a wrestler maybe it wouldn't have gotten to this level? We don't know the details yet. you're right & I don't doubt that it's different...I don't know if the story is true but don't even disagree with firing an employee for 'this' but I do believe they typically prefer to look the other way if it suits them This reminds me of Mr Perfect getting fired - they could've released del rio in fear of a lawsuit from the employee and their name being attached, or even just assault charges...or a reason to get rid of someone that complains about his position...but I don't think it's because wwe likes to do the 'right' thing if it means a big loss...Orton would've been suspended not fired, cena too...etc etc
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:14:34 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:15:43 GMT -5
this deserves its own post... so the WWE is on a "cost cutting" rampage and they have a Social Media Manager employed off. prob just one part of a job for the marketing dept head or something
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Post by adecw on Aug 8, 2014 11:25:43 GMT -5
bad news to me I respect and enjoy del rios work
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:31:20 GMT -5
but it DIDN'T work for Brock.....Brock was young, he was given the keys to the kingdom and he couldn't handle it, so he QUIT 2 years later all it did for Brock (winning the WWE title and being hot shotted to the top) was enable him to have an awesome/big time UFC career I'd rather have guys like Sheamus & Del Rio in my company over guys like Brock 10x over. Sheamus & Del Rio are committed to the wrestling industry, they go out week after week breaking their bodies to entertain a bunch of schmucks who just end up bitching about them anyway. It DID work for Brock. He became a huge star, won the WWE Championship, headlined WrestleMania XIX and parlayed having a big name into a successful MMA career which he used as a catalyst to come back to the WWE. I don't see how the fact he quit changes the fact they set out to make him a huge ing star and they did.
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Post by J12 on Aug 8, 2014 11:33:23 GMT -5
I don't mean to start any sort of war here, but I just think it's completely silly to be comparing Brock Lesnar to the likes of Sheamus and Alberto Del Rio. And I don't even mean that as a knock to Sheamus or Del Rio. Brock Lesnar is one of the most special individual cases in wrestling history. His meteoric rise was an anomaly and shouldn't ever be compared to anyone else's, because he was just different. Lesnar was also getting over quickly. Very quickly.
Sheamus, on the other hand, nearly had his career destroyed because of how hard and fast they pushed him. He rebounded purely because he was able to get over with the audience. Del Rio was pushed to the moon, given every accomplishment under the sun, and never once did the audience ever give a damn about him. Neither of their pushes and subsequent reactions should be compared to Lesnar in the slightest. Lesnar is in a class all his own. Sheamus and Del Rio could never dream of having the kind of impact Brock has had.
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Post by Chip on Aug 8, 2014 11:49:11 GMT -5
I wonder if the guy Del Rio slapped was the guy who wrote "he's going to be a big deal fairly quickly"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 11:58:26 GMT -5
I wonder if the guy Del Rio slapped was the guy who wrote "he's going to be a big deal fairly quickly" Wasn't that Joey Styles or was that one of the WWE.com underlings?
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Post by JC Motors on Aug 8, 2014 12:44:07 GMT -5
Dos Caras Jr is coming home. To the Impact Zone
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 13:16:30 GMT -5
I think it's sad hardly any one seems to recognize Del Rio's talent. I don't know why, but that dude can go. And he WAS getting a good reaction when I went to RAW 2 weeks ago. That guy deserved to get slapped really, should Del Rio have done it? No, but you don't insult a mans livelihood.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Aug 8, 2014 13:22:49 GMT -5
Wow...it took WWE 5 years or so to realise what we all knew after one week.
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