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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 18:47:14 GMT -5
for me at least. I don't get the people celebrating Lesnar's win, whether it's something different or not. I even see someone talking about Cena "finally" getting a beating like that. Considering he never gives a beating like that I don't quite see why he'd ever need to take one.
Let's look at the guy most are predicting will end Lesnar's title reign, Roman Reigns. Last night he had a back and forth match with Randy Orton. He got all of his spots in, but they were spaced out and it was basically a come back victory. And Reigns is on of the most dominant faces.
So suppose Brock continues the way he has been? Breaking bones, destroying milestones and humiliating top faces. And when it's time for his payback, the dramatic moment when he gets what's coming to him what happens? He dominates most of the match and Reigns hits a spear or two after avoiding Brock's finisher for the win.
Really satisfying right?
Until we get some heels bleeding (which we never will), or taken out on stretchers or showing up in casts with broken limbs I'll take jerkass weak, fairly ineffective heels. It's more satisfying than the slap on the wrist type payback that's available otherwise
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 18:57:13 GMT -5
I believe that I saw you or at least someone with your username, pouting about this on another forum.
Brock Lesnar HAD to dominate. John Cena has been untouchable for a decade. He stpped into the ring with a legit ass kicker and got his ass kicked. If Brock beats the Streak, winning the belt should be easy.
When somebody does beat Brock Lesnar, that guy is going to look like a million bucks.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 18, 2014 18:59:19 GMT -5
People who are glad Lesnar won have obviously forgotten The Rock's horrible reign last year. If he is full time then great but if not I don't want another part time champion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:02:29 GMT -5
I believe that I saw you or at least someone with your username, pouting about this on another forum. Brock Lesnar HAD to dominate. John Cena has been untouchable for a decade. He stpped into the ring with a legit ass kicker and got his ass kicked. If Brock beats the Streak, winning the belt should be easy. When somebody does beat Brock Lesnar, that guy is going to look like a million bucks. so the WWE champ should be an easier target than a 50 year old half crippled man? You know some people actually believed the story WWE tried to pull off there was Taker selected an opponent he knew he couldn't beat to end the Streak. I think the guy who beats Lesnar will looked protected and pushed. Recently fans have spat on that. Of course that also ignores the story it tells; people seemed to really like the story this match told; how satisfying is that story?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 19:03:16 GMT -5
People who are glad Lesnar won have obviously forgotten The Rock's horrible reign last year. If he is full time then great but if not I don't want another part time champion. I agree with Heyman's assessment that it will make title matches more special. It works with a guy like Brock who is meant to be an ass. The Rock kept spewing out how he would never leave but then kept leaving. It fits Brock.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:06:55 GMT -5
People who are glad Lesnar won have obviously forgotten The Rock's horrible reign last year. If he is full time then great but if not I don't want another part time champion. I agree with Heyman's assessment that it will make title matches more special. It works with a guy like Brock who is meant to be an ass. The Rock kept spewing out how he would never leave but then kept leaving. It fits Brock. were people actually dense enough to believe the Rock. Of course I've never been a big fan of Heyman's wrestling POV. I actually like the product Vince McMahon tries to put on
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 19:10:38 GMT -5
I believe that I saw you or at least someone with your username, pouting about this on another forum. Brock Lesnar HAD to dominate. John Cena has been untouchable for a decade. He stpped into the ring with a legit ass kicker and got his ass kicked. If Brock beats the Streak, winning the belt should be easy. When somebody does beat Brock Lesnar, that guy is going to look like a million bucks. so the WWE champ should be an easier target than a 50 year old half crippled man? You know some people actually believed the story WWE tried to pull off there was Taker selected an opponent he knew he couldn't beat to end the Streak. I think the guy who beats Lesnar will looked protected and pushed. Recently fans have spat on that. Of course that also ignores the story it tells; people seemed to really like the story this match told; how satisfying is that story? Yea. Something that was 22 plus years in the making is more important. Nobody saw Undertaker as a "half cripple" until this year. Regardless, if the good guy wins always then it's redundant and dumb. It would've been Extreme Rules 2012 all over again. Now, we dont know what's next and it's something very different. But of course, people clamor for different only to find something to whine about. Can't be pleased.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:18:17 GMT -5
so the WWE champ should be an easier target than a 50 year old half crippled man? You know some people actually believed the story WWE tried to pull off there was Taker selected an opponent he knew he couldn't beat to end the Streak. I think the guy who beats Lesnar will looked protected and pushed. Recently fans have spat on that. Of course that also ignores the story it tells; people seemed to really like the story this match told; how satisfying is that story? Yea. Something that was 22 plus years in the making is more important. Nobody saw Undertaker as a "half cripple" until this year. Regardless, if the good guy wins always then it's redundant and dumb. It would've been Extreme Rules 2012 all over again. Now, we dont know what's next and it's something very different. But of course, people clamor for different only to find something to whine about. Can't be pleased. well, I've never gotten sick of a face victory, but I did say dominant heels You never get face victories that dominant. Not even squash matches because those don't feature the face just shrugging off everything as they do what they want, they just feature one of two moves and it's over
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 19:20:29 GMT -5
Yea. Something that was 22 plus years in the making is more important. Nobody saw Undertaker as a "half cripple" until this year. Regardless, if the good guy wins always then it's redundant and dumb. It would've been Extreme Rules 2012 all over again. Now, we dont know what's next and it's something very different. But of course, people clamor for different only to find something to whine about. Can't be pleased. well, I've never gotten sick of a face victory, but I did say dominant heels You never get face victories that dominant. Not even squash matches because those don't feature the face just shrugging off everything as they do what they want, they just feature one of two moves and it's over Because faces shouldn't be bullies. You wouldn't want to cheer the guy beating the stuffing out of the heel even if you hate the heel. Cena looked terrible bullying John Laurinatis at Over the Limit 2012. Even though people hated Laurinatis, Cena toyed with him like a bully and it came off poor. Brock is the definition of a dominant heel and it works. I thought it was a satisfying show.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 18, 2014 19:21:41 GMT -5
If Cena won, people would complain. Lesnar won, people still complain. Literally the only thing that could ever happen on a wrestling show that wouldn't result in people complaining is if a nuclear bomb went off at the same time and destroyed all life on the planet.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:25:15 GMT -5
well, I've never gotten sick of a face victory, but I did say dominant heels You never get face victories that dominant. Not even squash matches because those don't feature the face just shrugging off everything as they do what they want, they just feature one of two moves and it's over Because faces shouldn't be bullies. You wouldn't want to cheer the guy beating the stuffing out of the heel even if you hate the heel. Cena looked terrible bullying John Laurinatis at Over the Limit 2012. Even though people hated Laurinatis, Cena toyed with him like a bully and it came off poor. Brock is the definition of a dominant heel and it works. I thought it was a satisfying show. People are to soft. I loved every moment of what Cena did to Laurinaitus. And no one called it bullying when say Bret Hart would go through his entire finishing sequence on a Barry Hardy when he could have been pinned after the Russian Legsweep. if the heel gets up it's not bullying. But dominant heels can never work for me. Undertaker, Vader, The Giant or Lesnar the matches that result just piss me off
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 19:38:45 GMT -5
Because faces shouldn't be bullies. You wouldn't want to cheer the guy beating the stuffing out of the heel even if you hate the heel. Cena looked terrible bullying John Laurinatis at Over the Limit 2012. Even though people hated Laurinatis, Cena toyed with him like a bully and it came off poor. Brock is the definition of a dominant heel and it works. I thought it was a satisfying show. People are to soft. I loved every moment of what Cena did to Laurinaitus. And no one called it bullying when say Bret Hart would go through his entire finishing sequence on a Barry Hardy when he could have been pinned after the Russian Legsweep. if the heel gets up it's not bullying. But dominant heels can never work for me. Undertaker, Vader, The Giant or Lesnar the matches that result just piss me off Ah so interesting monster heels are bad for you. You prefer the heels who run away at every chance and are no threat to the faces? I see now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:39:09 GMT -5
It was a pretty iconic moment. Probably the biggest beat-down of Cenas career. It made a huge statement and I was completely satisfied the product last night with the exception that I thought Orton should have won but even thats a minor complaint.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:44:48 GMT -5
People are to soft. I loved every moment of what Cena did to Laurinaitus. And no one called it bullying when say Bret Hart would go through his entire finishing sequence on a Barry Hardy when he could have been pinned after the Russian Legsweep. if the heel gets up it's not bullying. But dominant heels can never work for me. Undertaker, Vader, The Giant or Lesnar the matches that result just piss me off Ah so interesting monster heels are bad for you. You prefer the heels who run away at every chance and are no threat to the faces? I see now. guys like Flair and Dibiase never got wins like that but were threats to the faces. Heel Rock beat some face but never needed a win like that. But, no. I don''t watch the scripted program for competition.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 18, 2014 19:49:01 GMT -5
guys like Flair and Dibiase never got wins like that but were threats to the faces. Heel Rock beat some face but never needed a win like that. Lesnar is a beast unlike any other. Things are allowed to be different occasionally.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 19:49:24 GMT -5
Ah so interesting monster heels are bad for you. You prefer the heels who run away at every chance and are no threat to the faces? I see now. guys like Flair and Dibiase never got wins like that but were threats to the faces. Heel Rock beat some face but never needed a win like that. But, no. I don''t watch the scripted program for competition. So do you watch it for interesting stories then? Like, when the good guy prevails in the end? And the absolute best time for the hero to prevail is when they have compelling competition. But yea, wrestling with no monster heels sounds absolutely dreadful. To each their own I guess.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 18, 2014 19:51:06 GMT -5
guys like Flair and Dibiase never got wins like that but were threats to the faces. Heel Rock beat some face but never needed a win like that. Lesnar is a beast unlike any other. Things are allowed to be different occasionally. No they aren't allowed to be different. Especially when they're monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 19:57:14 GMT -5
guys like Flair and Dibiase never got wins like that but were threats to the faces. Heel Rock beat some face but never needed a win like that. But, no. I don''t watch the scripted program for competition. So do you watch it for interesting stories then? Like, when the good guy prevails in the end? And the absolute best time for the hero to prevail is when they have compelling competition. But yea, wrestling with no monster heels sounds absolutely dreadful. To each their own I guess. I didn't say no monster heels. Earthquake never won a match against real competition like that. Don't think Sid ever did either. See the problem with the compelling story is the way the face ends up winning. A lot of action movies feature a character that just annihilates one of the heroes and they can't fight him. The hero generally ends up killing that character since they can't disable him. If they ended up handcuffing him to a pipe and going off to another problem it wouldn't be as satisfying.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2014 20:01:17 GMT -5
Lesnar thread #34445755809656732567755900000090009764556545665466533578878977876864346
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 18, 2014 20:26:22 GMT -5
You're wrong.
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