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Post by Brad on Aug 31, 2014 11:04:40 GMT -5
Whats the biggest waste of talent in wrestling history? I'd personally go with Kurt Angle. He could've been top ten biggest ever (in terms of name value) if he'd sorted his sh*t out and stayed in WWE. Just think of the matches and feuds... vs. Undertaker at WM, heel vs. CM Punk, face vs. CM Punk, vs. Bryan, vs. HHH at WM, vs. Jericho (a proper 1-on-1 feud) and countless others. Would have been epic. Other notable mentions: Owen Hart - in life and in death Bret Hart in WCW Lesnar leaving (think this might be #2 actually, maybe even #1 now I think about it) I really feel Angle wasn't wasted. Though I wish he would have stayed in WWE. My choice is going to be an off the wall one because I'm going to say Carlito. He could have been more than what he was.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 11:58:45 GMT -5
Carlito was GOING to be more than he was.....no doubt. Just look at the way Vince brought him in and protected him for ages. But he couldn't keep his trap shut about the company for more than 5 minutes.....Vinnie was NEVER going to reward that kinda behaviour.
Pity too because Carlito had a vibe that was hard to zone in on and a killer finisher. But he f*cked things up for himself.
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Post by Brad on Aug 31, 2014 13:29:12 GMT -5
Carlito was GOING to be more than he was.....no doubt. Just look at the way Vince brought him in and protected him for ages. But he couldn't keep his trap shut about the company for more than 5 minutes.....Vinnie was NEVER going to reward that kinda behaviour. Pity too because Carlito had a vibe that was hard to zone in on and a killer finisher. But he f*cked things up for himself. Yeah its sad really.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 1:53:21 GMT -5
Raven.
Will always be Raven.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 4:44:01 GMT -5
Raven Let's be completely honest here, Raven aint too good at wrestling. What he is good at is swinging weapons, psychology and storytelling. In ECW, Raven was free to do all of these things and was a top star. In WCW, Raven was slightly more restricted and kinda badly booked but then we go to wwe. Raven debuts as the guy who uses weapons. Cool. He wrestles. And stuff. That's it. His big wrestlemania moment was losing to Big Show or Kane, don't remember. No top feuds, no getting in the heads of his opponents, no detailed backstories, just a talent floundering in the mid card doing nothing. They finally decide he gets to do what he does best by starting up a storyline on Sunday Night Heat of all shows. Week later, he gets released.
Honorable mention goes to Mike Awesome
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:02:43 GMT -5
Raven Let's be completely honest here, Raven aint too good at wrestling. What he is good at is swinging weapons, psychology and storytelling. In ECW, Raven was free to do all of these things and was a top star. In WCW, Raven was slightly more restricted and kinda badly booked but then we go to wwe. Raven debuts as the guy who uses weapons. Cool. He wrestles. And stuff. That's it. His big wrestlemania moment was losing to Big Show or Kane, don't remember. No top feuds, no getting in the heads of his opponents, no detailed backstories, just a talent floundering in the mid card doing nothing. They finally decide he gets to do what he does best by starting up a storyline on Sunday Night Heat of all shows. Week later, he gets released. Honorable mention goes to Mike Awesome Quiet New Jack.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 12:07:04 GMT -5
William Regal and Sean O' Haire
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 2, 2014 13:13:20 GMT -5
Carlito Mike Awesome Dlo Brown RYBACK (we shall see how it goes)
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Sept 2, 2014 13:15:47 GMT -5
Its so blatantly obvious to me that Hunter is a sly creep, he even looks like one. He certainly didn't do whats best for business with Poppa Pump. He sure didn't....or with Goldberg. using his pull to keep the strap @ Summerslam 2003 was utter crap. It was there that Bill should have became champ. Absolutely! The crowd sure didn't welcome Goldberg when he first came in against The Rock, but they were READY during that elimination chamber match. They ate up everything he did and he was just beastly in that match.
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Post by cripplercrossface on Sept 4, 2014 20:03:08 GMT -5
Matt Hardy and Christian comes to mind. Edge and Jeff were the favorites of their respected teams, so they got all the opportunities.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 4, 2014 21:27:40 GMT -5
Raven Let's be completely honest here, Raven aint too good at wrestling. What he is good at is swinging weapons, psychology and storytelling.In ECW, Raven was free to do all of these things and was a top star. In WCW, Raven was slightly more restricted and kinda badly booked but then we go to wwe. Raven debuts as the guy who uses weapons. Cool. He wrestles. And stuff. That's it. His big wrestlemania moment was losing to Big Show or Kane, don't remember. No top feuds, no getting in the heads of his opponents, no detailed backstories, just a talent floundering in the mid card doing nothing. They finally decide he gets to do what he does best by starting up a storyline on Sunday Night Heat of all shows. Week later, he gets released. Honorable mention goes to Mike Awesome Being good at psychology and storytelling is being good at wrestling.
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Post by johnnyb on Sept 4, 2014 21:36:26 GMT -5
One name I'd like to submit is late-90s Shawn Michaels. I'm watching some older episodes of RAW from the fall and winter of 1997... and man, this guy was electrifying as a heel. The DX vs. Hart Foundation feud was white hot until, obviously, the time that Bret left. Both sides were nearly inciting riots with their heel promos, and Shawn at the time was really the master of getting other guys over. Even if/when he beat them, everyone he worked with looked like an unstoppable monster in the ring with him. That sort of skill is one of the reasons why I think Scott Hall is also one of the all-time greats: they weren't afraid to play the overly cocky heel that absolutely got his ass beat and couldn't walk the walk without lots of help. (Memo to mid-00s Triple H: This is how you play a heel!)
Shawn in his prime (which for me was this 6-8 month run in 1997-98) gets my vote as the most entertaining all-around performer in wrestling history. He was a great antagonist on the mic, bumped hardcore for absolutely everyone, built interest in his matches through his antics, told stories effectively in the ring, and made everyone he worked with look even better than they were.
The only reason I put him on a list like this is that it's such a shame that his injury at the Royal Rumble nearly ended his career but definitely ended this run. It would have been very interesting to see where the WWF would have gone if Shawn would have been able to come back in mid-late 1998 as was originally speculated. Would The Rock have emerged as a main-event level heel? Would we have gotten all of those memorable babyface DX skits? Would Triple H ever have broken through as more than Shawn's sidekick? There are so many variables there... I'd love to know what you guys think about these possibilities.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Sept 4, 2014 22:11:10 GMT -5
Marty Jannetty was never the greatest mic guy, but the dude could have an amazing match with just about anybody. Not just a decent match, an AMAZING match. And Vince knew this. He fired Marty once a year basically and always brought him back because he knew the guy could go in the ring. He didn't win many titles, but Marty will go down in the annuls of wrestling history as the undisputed champion of second chances.
So much talent.
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Post by The Rig on Sept 4, 2014 22:22:29 GMT -5
Raven William Regal John Morrison Drew McIntyre Kassius Ohno
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 5, 2014 4:50:34 GMT -5
One name I'd like to submit is late-90s Shawn Michaels. I'm watching some older episodes of RAW from the fall and winter of 1997... and man, this guy was electrifying as a heel. The DX vs. Hart Foundation feud was white hot until, obviously, the time that Bret left. Both sides were nearly inciting riots with their heel promos, and Shawn at the time was really the master of getting other guys over. Even if/when he beat them, everyone he worked with looked like an unstoppable monster in the ring with him. That sort of skill is one of the reasons why I think Scott Hall is also one of the all-time greats: they weren't afraid to play the overly cocky heel that absolutely got his ass beat and couldn't walk the walk without lots of help. (Memo to mid-00s Triple H: This is how you play a heel!) Shawn in his prime (which for me was this 6-8 month run in 1997-98) gets my vote as the most entertaining all-around performer in wrestling history. He was a great antagonist on the mic, bumped hardcore for absolutely everyone, built interest in his matches through his antics, told stories effectively in the ring, and made everyone he worked with look even better than they were. The only reason I put him on a list like this is that it's such a shame that his injury at the Royal Rumble nearly ended his career but definitely ended this run. It would have been very interesting to see where the WWF would have gone if Shawn would have been able to come back in mid-late 1998 as was originally speculated. Would The Rock have emerged as a main-event level heel? Would we have gotten all of those memorable babyface DX skits? Would Triple H ever have broken through as more than Shawn's sidekick? There are so many variables there... I'd love to know what you guys think about these possibilities. HHH would've missed out the most I think. Rock was too big to be contained, even Vince saw that when HBK tried to turn him against Rock but he refused. HHH probably would've still gotten to the top, but slower and without as much fanfare I think. HBK would've been up there with top guys, and I think Angle would've still gotten his push, so HHH is the one that falls down a peg. He would've been elevated by the eventual breakup of DX, but then HHH would've probably been a face for a year and not been in the top echelon. Only when he became a heel again would he reach the top. I think he might've got Jericho's Undisputed Title win in 01 (presuming he isn't injured) as his big win.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 9:36:23 GMT -5
The only reason I put him on a list like this is that it's such a shame that his injury at the Royal Rumble nearly ended his career but definitely ended this run. It would have been very interesting to see where the WWF would have gone if Shawn would have been able to come back in mid-late 1998 as was originally speculated. Would The Rock have emerged as a main-event level heel? Would we have gotten all of those memorable babyface DX skits? Would Triple H ever have broken through as more than Shawn's sidekick? There are so many variables there... I'd love to know what you guys think about these possibilities. I have often wondered what would have happened had HBK stayed around too in terms of other stars but we do know SOME things. HBK wouldn't have been feuding with Austin post WM.....DX were still scheduled to turn face....the only person they got booed against was Austin really....so this made ton of sense. Also HBKs dickhead character would have been a riot in 1998 feuding with Vinnie etc. he wouldn't have had to change a thing to be massively over. The Outlaws were always meant to be added to the group-HBK pushed for this before RR98 and he and Vince agreed that with Tyson's involvement etc the Outlaws would have been too much, but definitely after WM when the Austin/Tyson story was done. Waltman was in DX the instant he got fired from WCW. HBK demanded his inclusion post WM. Like the Outlaws his debut/joining was delayed because of the Tyson/Austin/DX arc. Sources on this are shoots from all involved & backstage luminaries such as Cornette, Prichard etc. I genuinely think HBK being around in 1998 would have gotten over HUGE....DX would have been even bigger. BUT his backstage attitude could have been a problem.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2014 10:22:50 GMT -5
Scott Steiner in 2003, Raven in his whole WWF run, & MVP for a majority of his WWE run
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