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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 20, 2014 22:51:07 GMT -5
Do we forget that Austin wasn't an overnight sensation? Do we not remember it took the Rock years to reach the top? Guess what, Triple H didn't come in on top either. Bret Hart & HBK had to fight to reach the top as well. And believe it or not, so did Cena. Besides a select few, it takes time for WWE to view anyone as a top Main Event player. Ambrose is only a few months into his solo run, but you can tell (unless your head is up your butt) WWE does in fact see something in him. If they didn't, he wouldn't have gotten his MITB spot. He wouldn't have to be out numbered to lose to Rollins. He wouldn't have been written off TV in such dramatic fashion. He simply would lose clean and move down the ladder. And that is not what is happening. This is a different scenario. This isn't a guy who has a tremendous physique or who's a third generation wrestler or somebody who Triple H "sees something in." This is a guy with a cult following and an extensive Indy's background, and unfortunately, history has shown that those guys have the hardest time being put in positions to succeed.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Aug 20, 2014 23:10:09 GMT -5
I also believe he is not a main eventer.....yet. Ambrose is awesome. Future is bright for him. He's not as good as Rollins and doesnt have the look Reigns has.....but he is great in his own way. Even the Network Shield special tonight touched on how different each is and thats what made The Shield so good. Its true.
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Post by Jaz on Aug 21, 2014 0:32:41 GMT -5
He's only gonna be as good as you make him.
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Post by Rob on Aug 21, 2014 2:21:36 GMT -5
He isn't and neither are Rollins and Reigns. The guy just started his singles career and he still rocks a generic theme song. Go back and watch John Cena in 03, He wasn't a main eventer either.
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Post by Duck Holliday on Aug 21, 2014 2:57:05 GMT -5
Wrestlezone: So, this will be Daniel Brian/CM Punk all over again, where it'll pretty much take a ridiculous revolt from fans to get Ambrose anywhere near the main event scene. Sadly, this was to be expected. The more things change, the more they stay the same. honestly..... It just feels like they are trying to cultivate D Bry 2 with him. They are already starting an Ambrose vs the Authority angel. I don't see the fans having the energy to back him like they backed Bryan, but we'll see.
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Post by Bullgod on Aug 21, 2014 3:01:17 GMT -5
To be honest I don't view Ambrose as main event.... he's only been out of the shield a couple of months, I don't view Reigns as main event either, even though he has been in a main event I don't think he's anywhere near ready.
Either way I don't care what Dean Ambrose's roster position, I find his feud with Seth Rollins to be one of the best feuds in WWE in a long time.
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Post by BØRNS on Aug 21, 2014 4:18:24 GMT -5
Is that not obvious? I love the guy and he entertains me every week but people treat him wayyyyyyy better than he is and it's dumb to think "Haha yeah it'll all work out, it usually does!" News Flash folks, it isn't going to at this rate and he will be at a Dolph position in a year. No. Dean is very good. I have heard people, like my mom who barely watches, she absolutely loves Ambrose. Ambrose has it. I truly think so. He could be a huge star if they let him. Personally, I never saw it with Dolph. You are crazier than Ambrose.
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Post by TeamratedCDS on Aug 21, 2014 6:15:56 GMT -5
I'll do ya one better. In 2005, Snitsky main evented a RAW against John Cena in a Lumberjack match... Comparing Snitsky to Ambrose?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 6:54:44 GMT -5
Let's give it time and see what happens.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 7:29:31 GMT -5
I'll do ya one better. In 2005, Snitsky main evented a RAW against John Cena in a Lumberjack match... Comparing Snitsky to Ambrose? Comparing two men being in the main event of RAW, due to the quote being "he was just in the main event of their flagship show". The comparison was to show that being in the main event of RAW doesn't make that person a main eventer.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 7:32:58 GMT -5
They are screwing the pooch with guys the fans care about. So you are forced to cheer for Roman Reigns. Lets look at what happen since. They got serious about pushing Reigns.
Cesaro who had the fans behind him has turned in to a jobber.
Bray Wyatt another guys who had the fans behind him has been directionless.
and now this.
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Post by T R W on Aug 21, 2014 8:07:00 GMT -5
We don't know if HHH or Vince sees something in him or not. But the guy has in one way or another been a major focus of RAW and PPVs for over a year now. And Monday was given a main event match that tore the house down. The fans are behind him. he has been given time to develop and cultivate his character. None of that tells me they don't believe in Ambrose. Until I see him in a feud with Fandango or in a dance-off on Superstars, I'm going to go with what I have seen for the last year, and that is that they believe in him.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 21, 2014 8:58:38 GMT -5
They are screwing the pooch with guys the fans care about. So you are forced to cheer for Roman Reigns. Lets look at what happen since. They got serious about pushing Reigns. Cesaro who had the fans behind him has turned in to a jobber. Bray Wyatt another guys who had the fans behind him has been directionless. and now this. Cesaro's a jobber? He has gone on a winning streak but still had a 15 minute match with John Cena on Raw, was on the SummerSlam card, even if it was just on the KickOff show and, if you watched Main Event, seems to be moving towards a United States Title program with Sheamus. Some jobber. Bray Wyatt has ALWAYS been directionless. His first feud with Kane saw them kidnap him and then nothing. Then they targeted Daniel Bryan because the "devil made him do it", but never explained who the devil was. Bryan was also kidnapped but nothing came of it. Then he targeted Cena because he wanted to expose the monster, so that actually had a direction but went nowhere. Now, he's feuding with Jericho over nothing still. But as usual, you're just here to make snarky comments and won't respond when someone calls you out on it.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 21, 2014 9:01:03 GMT -5
Do we forget that Austin wasn't an overnight sensation? Do we not remember it took the Rock years to reach the top? Guess what, Triple H didn't come in on top either. Bret Hart & HBK had to fight to reach the top as well. And believe it or not, so did Cena. Besides a select few, it takes time for WWE to view anyone as a top Main Event player. Ambrose is only a few months into his solo run, but you can tell (unless your head is up your butt) WWE does in fact see something in him. If they didn't, he wouldn't have gotten his MITB spot. He wouldn't have to be out numbered to lose to Rollins. He wouldn't have been written off TV in such dramatic fashion. He simply would lose clean and move down the ladder. And that is not what is happening. This is a different scenario. This isn't a guy who has a tremendous physique or who's a third generation wrestler or somebody who Triple H "sees something in." This is a guy with a cult following and an extensive Indy's background, and unfortunately, history has shown that those guys have the hardest time being put in positions to succeed. But to your point... Austin was known as a great ring technician. Rock was third generation. Triple H was friends with top talent. Bret & HBK both had many years of WWE experience. Cena had a great look. They all had reasons to be shot to the top, but yet they still had to fight for their spot. And it took ALL of them years to get to there. How do we know Triple H doesn't see something in Ambrose? Did he personally tell you that? Or because that's what you assume? Plus Rollins comes from a very similar indy background, and WWE is pushing him also. So I don't see why that should come into question. As I said, if WWE didn't see something in Ambrose they would not be dedicating all this attention to him. They gave him a dramatic send off so he can go film a movie. If they didn't care, he would have simply just missed weeks worth of TV without any explanation. Ambrose is on fire ATM. Crowd loves him and he is delivering in the ring. If that continues, I'm willing to bet he'll be just fine. It takes time. And for some reason there are those fans who expect everything to happen overnight, yet history has shown us that many of WWE's top talent had to work years for their spot.
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Post by sitruC on Aug 21, 2014 9:13:31 GMT -5
You can all say in time he will be and I really agree, he is a new, fresh gimmick and utilizes it perfectly. I hope he does become a main eventer and he will in the future.
All I'm saying is he isn't now, yes he is over and yes he is great but he isn't main eventing PPV's in singles matches (since someone earlier said tag team matches don't matter for main eventing) and I don't consider him a main eventer, he's inbetween Mid Card and that.
And don't use the "Well gee, he main evented Raw and didn't lose clean!" excuse to back up your point, guys like Shelton Benjamin and Ryder have main evented Raw and look at them now. Wrestlers people say 'What if?' about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 9:15:30 GMT -5
The Usos have main evented RAW, on more than one occasion... Based on your comment, I'm assuming you didn't watch Raw this week. But what happened was Dean Ambrose main evented Raw in a singles match, not just by teaming up with a big star like John Cena or CM Punk or something. What were the matches that the Usos main evented Raw in again? Heath Slater main evented Raw and won.... jk jk i know what you're saying
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 9:17:34 GMT -5
They are screwing the pooch with guys the fans care about. So you are forced to cheer for Roman Reigns. Lets look at what happen since. They got serious about pushing Reigns. Cesaro who had the fans behind him has turned in to a jobber. Bray Wyatt another guys who had the fans behind him has been directionless. and now this. Cesaro's a jobber? He has gone on a winning streak but still had a 15 minute match with John Cena on Raw, was on the SummerSlam card, even if it was just on the KickOff show and, if you watched Main Event, seems to be moving towards a United States Title program with Sheamus. Some jobber. Bray Wyatt has ALWAYS been directionless. His first feud with Kane saw them kidnap him and then nothing. Then they targeted Daniel Bryan because the "devil made him do it", but never explained who the devil was. Bryan was also kidnapped but nothing came of it. Then he targeted Cena because he wanted to expose the monster, so that actually had a direction but went nowhere. Now, he's feuding with Jericho over nothing still. But as usual, you're just here to make snarky comments and won't respond when someone calls you out on it. What you mean he is going to feud with Sheamus. Over the useless us tile that he all ready held and did nothing with.Big deal
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 9:17:43 GMT -5
Do we forget that Austin wasn't an overnight sensation? Do we not remember it took the Rock years to reach the top? Guess what, Triple H didn't come in on top either. Bret Hart & HBK had to fight to reach the top as well. And believe it or not, so did Cena. Besides a select few, it takes time for WWE to view anyone as a top Main Event player. Ambrose is only a few months into his solo run, but you can tell (unless your head is up your butt) WWE does in fact see something in him. If they didn't, he wouldn't have gotten his MITB spot. He wouldn't have to be out numbered to lose to Rollins. He wouldn't have been written off TV in such dramatic fashion. He simply would lose clean and move down the ladder. And that is not what is happening. This is a different scenario. This isn't a guy who has a tremendous physique or who's a third generation wrestler or somebody who Triple H "sees something in." This is a guy with a cult following and an extensive Indy's background, and unfortunately, history has shown that those guys have the hardest time being put in positions to succeed. Austin was chubby... Triple H wasn't a third generation superstar... The rock was chubby at first too. Ambrose is in amazing shape, what are you talking about? Michaels was also a scrawny nothing.. John Cena was a nobody with a thug gimmick. Who would have ever thought that guy would be the face of the company when he first showed up with his rapper gimmick? Nobody. But he proved himself. Why would you bring up Physique and third generation wrestler
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 21, 2014 9:25:04 GMT -5
Cesaro's a jobber? He has gone on a winning streak but still had a 15 minute match with John Cena on Raw, was on the SummerSlam card, even if it was just on the KickOff show and, if you watched Main Event, seems to be moving towards a United States Title program with Sheamus. Some jobber. Bray Wyatt has ALWAYS been directionless. His first feud with Kane saw them kidnap him and then nothing. Then they targeted Daniel Bryan because the "devil made him do it", but never explained who the devil was. Bryan was also kidnapped but nothing came of it. Then he targeted Cena because he wanted to expose the monster, so that actually had a direction but went nowhere. Now, he's feuding with Jericho over nothing still. But as usual, you're just here to make snarky comments and won't respond when someone calls you out on it. What you mean he is going to feud with Sheamus. Over the useless us tile that he all ready held and did nothing with.Big deal He came out on Main Event and did commentary and tossed the US Title at Sheamus. And even if he's already held the US Title, you called him a jobber. Jobbers don't get title shots on Pay-Per-View. You don't see Zack Ryder or Justin Gabriel on Pay-Per-View do you? Hence, Cesaro is not a jobber.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2014 10:27:26 GMT -5
I wonder if people called Austin a jobber in '96 when he lost to Savio Vega, and 2 months after the "Austin 3:16" promo was on the SummerSlam Free For All against Yokozuna? Not saying Cesaro is on Austin's level but anyway. As for Ambrose, he's been out of The Shield what 2 -3 months? He's more ready than Reigns as is Seth, but we've all know for ages that Reigns was gonna be the next "guy". Does everyone like it? No, and I'm one of them, but if WWE want it it's gonna happen, but I have no Doubt that Rollins & Ambrose will be main eventing at some point.
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