demolitionrulz
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Post by demolitionrulz on Aug 22, 2014 4:22:28 GMT -5
First, the WWF/E had Hulk Hogan. He passed the torch to the Rock/Stone Cold, who in turn, gave it to Cena to run with it. The question remains, "Who does Cena pass the torch to? Who is the guy thatis the next WWE face/superstar/focal point?" The answer is, "To be determined"... that's why Cena is still here on top.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Aug 22, 2014 4:39:47 GMT -5
Let's look shall we?
Hulk Hogan: Left for a failure of a movie career. Bret Hart:The Man that Vince never wanted to be "The Man" seemingly. Shawn Michaels: Forced into a four year retirement after barely two years as "The Man" if you even want to consider him..... Stone Cold: Forced to retire. The Rock: Left for Hollywood. Brock Lesnar: Left for the NFL.
Basically he hasn't had a bad enough injury yet and Hollywood hasn't come calling (yet).
I honestly thought after last year WWE was starting to use Cena as an attraction and less like the man. But then Bryan got hurt and as Punk once said "We're back to the soul-crushing status quo".
Soon enough and what I believe will be within the next two years he'll be done. Not saying retire. I don't think he'll retire until he's WELL into his 40's but I think we'll be seeing him a lot less soon.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Aug 22, 2014 6:49:04 GMT -5
This is not a thread bashing Cena I'm just remembering Heyman's promo from Raw about how long "The Guy" has been on top and he was talking about Austin and Rock been on top for only a handful of years each, then there's John Cena who has been the Guy for 10 consistent years. It's just made me wonder why WWE has stuck with him for so long when 2 of their biggest stars were only on top for less than half that time. Could it be that Cena had no place/didn't want to go do other things? What do you think has kept John Cena at the top for so long as opposed to previous top guys? It's a combination of things: 1) Vince loves him, and has been determined to push him at all costs. Part of the cost has been losing fans and money. 2) The mid-2000s were the start of the Fail Era, with a lack of talent and stale creative direction. 3) Cena loves the biz, has stayed relatively healthy, and hasn't sabotaged himself with off-camera scandal or other bad behavior.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Aug 22, 2014 9:23:15 GMT -5
Let be clear first, I have been reading your posts for such a long, long time now. After the Benoit Tragedy, the WWE could not make any snap changes in their product. They had to let the media have their fun, let things simmer and then cool down. Once the media was off of their back, they slowly made changes that would give them a better image. You failed to mention that it is the adults who but John Cena's merch, not the kids. I am willing to say that those people who chant "Cena Sucks" are the first who buys Cena's merch. One thing that sets Steve Austin apart from Cena, is Austin embodied what every blue collar wanted to do to their boss everyday. Cena is one of those clean cut, white meat good guys who thrives on passion and the love of the industry. Cena has sacrificed his life for the industry. The WWE took that and made Cena one of their go-to guys. Everybody who wants Cena to turn heel should really think hard why they won't happen. As long as he churns out millions of dollars, the WWE would provide the 600 volts of electricity to keep the Cena train moving. I agree with what you're saying about Cena's passion. I've never questioned his dedication to the industry one bit, and I fully understand why they haven't and won't ever turn him heel in the foreseeable future because of the reasons I outlined above - they haven't created anybody who can match his star power. But I don't believe, for the most part, that he's had many adults who make up his fan base in about eight years, and that's simply because adults are no longer his target demographic. His character began to attract a younger audience, and the product really had to shift towards that way since Cena is the star. If they were able to make Cena as marketable to adults as he was to kids, there wouldn't have been a need to move to a PG-themed product. Man, what you are drinking right now, they seriously need to discontinue it. There are several reasons why the WWE went PG. John Cena wasn't one of those factors. Both the WWE's external and internal environmental forces is what caused the shift from a TV-14 product into a TV-PG product. It would help if you took business classes to fully understand the shifts the WWE has made cine 2007. Reading is one thing. Understanding is another. Let's look shall we? Hulk Hogan: Left for a failure of a movie career. Bret Hart:The Man that Vince never wanted to be "The Man" seemingly. Shawn Michaels: Forced into a four year retirement after barely two years as "The Man" if you even want to consider him..... Stone Cold: Forced to retire. The Rock: Left for Hollywood. Brock Lesnar: Left for the NFL. Basically he hasn't had a bad enough injury yet and Hollywood hasn't come calling (yet). I honestly thought after last year WWE was starting to use Cena as an attraction and less like the man. But then Bryan got hurt and as Punk once said "We're back to the soul-crushing status quo". Soon enough and what I believe will be within the next two years he'll be done. Not saying retire. I don't think he'll retire until he's WELL into his 40's but I think we'll be seeing him a lot less soon. My brain wants to thank your brain all the way. Excellent points!!!
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Post by philly boi on Aug 22, 2014 9:50:21 GMT -5
Work ethic.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 22, 2014 9:58:55 GMT -5
The answer is quite simple: he is reliable, he is safe (physically and metaphorically), and he is the only star star to stay as long as he has.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 22, 2014 10:42:24 GMT -5
Lolno. There were two key reasons why WWE had to go PG: 1. A year earlier, a wrestler had murdered his wife and child before committing suicide, and thus the industry's reputation needed cleaning up. 2. Linda McMahon was making a doomed attempt at a political career, and thus her company needed cleaning up. This is the first time I've ever heard a "WWE went PG to benefit Cena" conspiracy theory. It's pretty funny. Are you kidding me? Do you know how many kids have died over the years from giving each other piledrivers and suplexes that hurt the reputation of the wrestling industry and the WWE did nothing in response to it?Linda McMahon's political run put an end to chair shots to the head after someone she was running against made the remark in a political debate or something. They didn't rewrite the entire industry for her. The WWE had already started moving towards gearing towards a PG audience even before that. They saw how John Cena was basically Hulk Hogan 2.0 and realized how marketable he was to kids, so continuing to try and market a product towards anyone over the age of ten would've been counterproductive. They didn't go PG because of Cena, they went PG because of the Benoit incident and to appease to their primary demographic (kids), which is why they are becoming a little more risque again as more adults are watching. Wrestling always has (and seemingly) always will feature kids as their primary demographic. They are the most likely to have the time to watch up to 3 hours straight of programming. The reason it changed was because parents are becoming more sensitive to what their children watch. Parents are simply more likely to let their children watch a product that is TV-PG as opposed to TV-14. I also saw your next few posts, and the Wellness policy isn't a joke. In 2007 Orton was caught with Marijuana in his system and through at least 2009, they would only fine them for that as Kendrick would get caught all the time but wouldn't be taken off TV.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 11:15:10 GMT -5
and he is the only star star to stay as long as he has. Undertaker: 1990-WrestleMania XXX(2014)
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 22, 2014 11:31:26 GMT -5
and he is the only star star to stay as long as he has. Undertaker: 1990-WrestleMania XXX(2014) While that is true, Taker was never the "guy".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2014 14:21:37 GMT -5
While that is true, Taker was never the "guy". His gimmick handcuffed him, all the number one guys in WWE over the years were extensions of their own personality with Taker he was a mythical undead wrestler. Made s*** tons of cash but he was never going to be the main man. But he is the one of the hardest working, and THE most respected.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 22, 2014 15:16:32 GMT -5
I already explained to you why you're wrong. Lol, you haven't explained what you think you've explained. Do you really think it's a coincidence that WWE now has partnerships with Mattel, Kmart and numerous other brands? That WWE has cartoon deals with The Flintstones and Scooby Doo? You think these things just happened by random chance due to a company direction change that was all about adults at TV tapings booing John Cena? Actually think about the things you're saying for a second lol. I'm very curious, was this something you came up with in 2008 or later on? Have you ever found anyone else who believed you? Of all the things to bash Cena about, a way off the mark conspiracy theory is a pretty strange choice. Personally, I'd have gone with bashing his weak STF, at least that's a criticism with some accuracy. You're continuing to prove my point, so thanks. The TV deals with Scooby Doo and The Flintstones absolutely came about after the WWE switched to a kiddy product. If they didn't start targeting a younger, John Cena-friendly audience they would've been idiots. There was a clear disconnect between Cena and anybody over the age of 15, so why would they continue to try and market themselves towards a target audience that no longer cared as much for wrestling as they did in 1998? It would've been dumb and bad marketing if they didn't change the company's direction. You make it sound like I'm insulting John Cena for being kid-friendly, when in actuality I'm insulting the company for not being able to create any additional stars to carry on the PG-13 Era after the Austins, Rocks, Jericho's, HBKs, etc. retired. Sorry you get so offended every time someone says anything negative about John Cena. For some reason, you just choose to ignore every logical point I give you to prove my theory, but it's cool. If it makes you feel better, you can go ahead and make fun of one of my favorites, CM Punk, and talk about how he's a sellout and a quitter, I guess.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 22, 2014 15:32:55 GMT -5
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many kids have died over the years from giving each other piledrivers and suplexes that hurt the reputation of the wrestling industry and the WWE did nothing in response to it?Linda McMahon's political run put an end to chair shots to the head after someone she was running against made the remark in a political debate or something. They didn't rewrite the entire industry for her. The WWE had already started moving towards gearing towards a PG audience even before that. They saw how John Cena was basically Hulk Hogan 2.0 and realized how marketable he was to kids, so continuing to try and market a product towards anyone over the age of ten would've been counterproductive. They didn't go PG because of Cena, they went PG because of the Benoit incident and to appease to their primary demographic (kids), which is why they are becoming a little more risque again as more adults are watching. Wrestling always has (and seemingly) always will feature kids as their primary demographic. They are the most likely to have the time to watch up to 3 hours straight of programming. The reason it changed was because parents are becoming more sensitive to what their children watch. Parents are simply more likely to let their children watch a product that is TV-PG as opposed to TV-14. I also saw your next few posts, and the Wellness policy isn't a joke. In 2007 Orton was caught with Marijuana in his system and through at least 2009, they would only fine them for that as Kendrick would get caught all the time but wouldn't be taken off TV. I'm not going to keep debating this because at this point we're going in circles, and I really have nothing left to add. If you choose not to believe me, fine. I wasn't trying to spark a huge debate with my original comments. I'll just say that following the Benoit murders, the company absolutely did not try and change things, in my opinion. They were still a PG-13 company, and it wasn't until much later that they changed to a more kid-friendly product. Vince has never let the public opinion dictate what he does. And if, as you say, they were doing this until the media hysteria died down and it had nothing to do with Cena, why haven't they gone back to a more mature product? John Cena saying "bitch" in a promo really doesn't count as making things more "edgier" to me. And by the way, Randy Orton failed a drug test for prescription drugs prior to his match with Hogan that should've led to him being suspended, and he wasn't. A month later, the company changed their punishments for failure of the Wellness Policy. Coincidence? Hardly.
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