RV F'N D
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Post by RV F'N D on Sept 12, 2014 8:13:34 GMT -5
I ing hate the quick roll ups, they happen so often now, sometimes multiple times on the same show. I don't feel like it helps anybody in the situation. As for Cena, he should have at least dropped 1 clean to Bray during that feud but they wouldn't even do that so I wouldn't count on him getting randomly beat on Raw again anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 8:53:21 GMT -5
He's allergic to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 9:20:39 GMT -5
It's to make it a bigger deal when John Cena does lose. Which, on tv, is 4 times in 10 years I see your point but I don't think that's WWE's mindset
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Post by K5 on Sept 12, 2014 9:27:59 GMT -5
eh, for john cena's character it doesn't really work. he's all about giving people chances and praising people's efforts - the rollup win only really works when you have an arrogant heel suggesting that there is no way his opponent could beat him, and then is tricked by the rollup, and afterwards is angry and humiliated while the winner 'can't believe it'.
it worked with hurricane/rock. the only way i could see it working with cena is if they were turning a heel to a face that still had heel traits (like eddie guerrero's lie, cheat and steal gimmick) and make it seem that while he didn't cheat, he 'tricked' cena with the rollup.
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 12, 2014 9:50:47 GMT -5
Because he's a selfish d*ckhead with way too much creative control.
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Post by Chief on Sept 12, 2014 11:50:15 GMT -5
Roll up and flash pins are done so much these days that it wouldn't have stood out and therefore wouldn't mean very much.
Kofi did the same to Orton who was the Champ earlier this year and it meant not a thing
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2014 14:11:43 GMT -5
I honestly can't even think of that many times over the years where Cena has lost at all on Raw/SD (not counting tag matches unless he was the one pinned) I went back and looked Cena hasn't lost a match on TV (not counting PPV) via pinfall or submission since April 29th, 2013. That is absolutely disgusting. Only times Cena has lost cleanly on TV via pinfall or submission since winning the WWE Title - Oct 2009 Raw vs. Triple H - Apr 2013 Raw 6 Man Tag vs. Shield - July 2010 Raw Nexus vs. Cena 6 on 1 Handicap - Apr 2007 Raw vs. Shawn Michaels Yup thats it a grand total of 4 TIMES over almost 10 YEARSHow many times did Austin lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) via pinfall or submission between WrestleMania 14 and WrestleMania 17? How many times did Hogan lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) between WrestleMania 1 and 9? Because he's a selfish d*ckhead with way too much creative control. And he wrestles in jean shorts and cargo shorts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 14:15:38 GMT -5
Because he's a selfish d*ckhead with way too much creative control. Source? Lemme Guess, Kenny from the Spirit Squad?
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Post by Evil Abed on Sept 12, 2014 14:16:25 GMT -5
I honestly can't even think of that many times over the years where Cena has lost at all on Raw/SD (not counting tag matches unless he was the one pinned) I went back and looked Cena hasn't lost a match on TV (not counting PPV) via pinfall or submission since April 29th, 2013. That is absolutely disgusting. Only times Cena has lost cleanly on TV via pinfall or submission since winning the WWE Title - Oct 2009 Raw vs. Triple H - Apr 2013 Raw 6 Man Tag vs. Shield - July 2010 Raw Nexus vs. Cena 6 on 1 Handicap - Apr 2007 Raw vs. Shawn Michaels Yup thats it a grand total of 4 TIMES over almost 10 YEARSHow many times did Austin lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) via pinfall or submission between WrestleMania 14 and WrestleMania 17? How many times did Hogan lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) between WrestleMania 1 and 9? Lol you're really gonna compare Steve Austin to John Cena. John Cena in 10 years hasnt come anywhere close to what Austin accomplished in his 3-4 years in WWE Champion status, and he never will.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Sept 12, 2014 14:28:54 GMT -5
How many times did Austin lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) via pinfall or submission between WrestleMania 14 and WrestleMania 17? How many times did Hogan lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) between WrestleMania 1 and 9? Lol you're really gonna compare Steve Austin to John Cena. John Cena in 10 years hasnt come anywhere close to what Austin accomplished in his 3-4 years in WWE Champion status, and he never will. Austin had a way higher peak and I obviously like him more but it's a fair comparison. they were both the top guy. And Cena has a staying power that Austin didn't have
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2014 14:30:49 GMT -5
How many times did Austin lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) via pinfall or submission between WrestleMania 14 and WrestleMania 17? How many times did Hogan lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) between WrestleMania 1 and 9? Lol you're really gonna compare Steve Austin to John Cena. You're the one complaining about WWE's top babyface not losing enough matches clean on TV lol -- so yes, how many times did Steve Austin lose cleanly on TV (not PPV) between WrestleMania 14 and 17? How many times did Hulk Hogan lose cleanly on TV (not counting PPV) between WrestleMania 1 and 9? I'll give you a clue: In both cases, the answer is "disgusting" by your standards of how often a top babyface is supposed to lose lol.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 15:02:53 GMT -5
Beating Cena makes people go ape crap, that's exactly what WWE are going for. If everyone beat Cena, it wouldn't mean as much. Someone beating Cena is a huge achievement for a wrestler, because he is "the best". Not that I am disputing it, but in WWE, Cena is the top dog and has been for over 10 years, beating him will do wonders for anyone.
On a side note, I was still in kayfaybe around 2006-7 and when Edge beat Cena, I was shocked then. I also hated Edge and wanted to see Cena destroy him lol.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2014 15:11:07 GMT -5
I was still in kayfaybe around 2006-7 and when Edge beat Cena, I was shocked then. When Edge cashed in the Money in the Bank? That was a great night. I was still in my adolescent "Cena sux" phase, and I was so excited when Edge cashed in and beat him. I remember being on the phone to my friend at 5am so happy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 15:14:18 GMT -5
I was still in kayfaybe around 2006-7 and when Edge beat Cena, I was shocked then. When Edge cashed in the Money in the Bank? That was a great night. I was still in my adolescent "Cena sux" phase, and I was so excited when Edge cashed in and beat him. I remember being on the phone to my friend at 5am so happy. Which is funny, because I was loved Cena back then and became a "cena sux" guy in 08. I'm not anymore but I was so shocked when I found out he lost. It's crazy and amazing I got to see someone like Cena rise from the beginning, because I even liked him as a heel. Especially when he was US champion on Smackdown. I loved the spinner belt when it was revealed too. What's funny is, it wasn't until the internet that I started to change my opinion on Cena. Around 08, I started getting on wrestling forums and then of course came the "cena sux" stuff. Another side note: I really regret getting rid of my old Cena shirts.
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Post by Jaz on Sept 12, 2014 15:16:44 GMT -5
How awesome would it be if Bo Dallas beat Cena with a roll up?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 15:20:34 GMT -5
How awesome would it be if Bo Dallas beat Cena with a roll up? It would be amazing/funny if something like Rock/Hurricane happened. NO ONE thought the Hurricane would pin the Rock, imagine if like Lensar distracted Cena and Heath Slater got the pin or something lol.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2014 15:24:36 GMT -5
When Edge cashed in the Money in the Bank? That was a great night. I was still in my adolescent "Cena sux" phase, and I was so excited when Edge cashed in and beat him. I remember being on the phone to my friend at 5am so happy. Which is funny, because I was loved Cena back then and became a "cena sux" guy in 08. I'm not anymore but I was so shocked when I found out he lost. It's crazy and amazing I got to see someone like Cena rise from the beginning, because I even liked him as a heel. Especially when he was US champion on Smackdown. I loved the spinner belt when it was revealed too. What's funny is, it wasn't until the internet that I started to change my opinion on Cena. Around 08, I started getting on wrestling forums and then of course came the "cena sux" stuff. I got onto the Internet around the time Cena debuted, back when it was all "HHH sux" and "Undertaker sux" mainly. I still remember how furious people were that Lesnar and RVD didn't win at Unforgiven 2002. I loved Cena's debut, absolutely thought he was the next big thing after that first match and Undertaker showing him respect etc. Then he didn't do anything for months, and then started rapping. I thought the white rapper thing was lame but fun when he was a heel. Hated it as soon as he turned babyface and it was supposed to be cool, and I was completely on the Internet "Cena sux" train from then. Kinda stepped off it when he had that great series with Edge, and then definitely was off it when he had classics with Umaga and Lashley and got better matches out of Khali than anyone else did. Then he feuded with Orton and Triple H for about two years and it was dull, but I became a big fan around the time he was feuding with Batista and Nexus.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2014 15:26:02 GMT -5
How awesome would it be if Bo Dallas beat Cena with a roll up? His new finisher could be the Schoolbo.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2014 15:30:01 GMT -5
Which is funny, because I was loved Cena back then and became a "cena sux" guy in 08. I'm not anymore but I was so shocked when I found out he lost. It's crazy and amazing I got to see someone like Cena rise from the beginning, because I even liked him as a heel. Especially when he was US champion on Smackdown. I loved the spinner belt when it was revealed too. What's funny is, it wasn't until the internet that I started to change my opinion on Cena. Around 08, I started getting on wrestling forums and then of course came the "cena sux" stuff. I got onto the Internet around the time Cena debuted, back when it was all "HHH sux" and "Undertaker sux" mainly. I still remember how furious people were that Lesnar and RVD didn't win at Unforgiven 2002. I loved Cena's debut, absolutely thought he was the next big thing after that first match and Undertaker showing him respect etc. Then he didn't do anything for months, and then started rapping. I thought the white rapper thing was lame but fun when he was a heel. Hated it as soon as he turned babyface and it was supposed to be cool, and I was completely on the Internet "Cena sux" train from then. Kinda stepped off it when he had that great series with Edge, and then definitely was off it when he had classics with Umaga and Lashley and got better matches out of Khali than anyone else did. Then he feuded with Orton and Triple H for about two years and it was dull, but I became a big fan around the time he was feuding with Batista and Nexus. I was watching really off and on around the Nexus time, only because I was disinterested in wrestling as a whole, but I loved his feud with Umaga. I thought that was easily the best feud WWE had at the time. That match you mentioned he had with Taker was the match I remember when I first truly started to like him. Was it 02? If so, that was the match that made me a fan and I remember being real excited to get the twopack AD pack with him and Undertaker a year or so later. That one, by then I was a fan even thought he was a heel. There was just something about him I liked, I dunno.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 12, 2014 15:32:58 GMT -5
That match you mentioned he had with Taker was the match I remember when I first truly started to like him. Was it 02? It wasn't a match I was thinking of, it was when they met backstage after Cena's debut against Angle.
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