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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 11:06:41 GMT -5
What I'm gathering from this is you're wondering why an ugly guy(Hogan) went further than a pretty guy (Warrior). I'm not trying to mess with you or anything but are you wondering why someone went further than the other based on looks? I totally could've read your post wrong. But some clarification would be much appreciated. I'm just saying that society has always liked attractive people. I would say that Warrior had movie star looks, and yet he didn't get over with the crowd, anywhere near the extent that a fugly guy like Hogan did. Hogan must have had something extra to make him connect with the audience the way he did. This thread is moreso asking/discussing what that was. Now there's no doubting Warrior was over huge and I'm a big fan of his stuff(88-91)......but does anybody here genuinely feel he was as good as Hogan when it comes to selling an angle? crowd connection and selling of angles was a strength of Hogans when he was the top babyface.....Warriors promo style and overall character(IMO) didn't lend itself as well to this..... Thoughts? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 11:13:51 GMT -5
I'm just saying that society has always liked attractive people. I would say that Warrior had movie star looks, and yet he didn't get over with the crowd, anywhere near the extent that a fugly guy like Hogan did. Hogan must have had something extra to make him connect with the audience the way he did. This thread is moreso asking/discussing what that was. Now there's no doubting Warrior was over huge and I'm a big fan of his stuff(88-91)......but does anybody here genuinely feel he was as good as Hogan when it comes to selling an angle? crowd connection and selling of angles was a strength of Hogans when he was the top babyface.....Warriors promo style and overall character(IMO) didn't lend itself as well to this..... Thoughts? That could be true. Warrior's intense promo style wouldn't have neccessarily made himself popular with certain types of fans. Hogan had a more general approach to himself. |
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Post by T R W on Oct 1, 2014 11:19:36 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the Cold War influence with Hogan either. He was a Real American and always very patriotic, and constantly defending America against the evil foreign bad guys. I know it is corny, but in the 80's, a lot people ate all of that stuff up. I mean, just look at Rocky IV. He was extremely charismatic during a time when wrestlers, well, weren't. He had an energy and a look that nobody else really ever had before.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 12:11:02 GMT -5
Don't underestimate the Cold War influence with Hogan either. He was a Real American and always very patriotic, and constantly defending America against the evil foreign bad guys. I know it is corny, but in the 80's, a lot people ate all of that stuff up. I mean, just look at Rocky IV. He was extremely charismatic during a time when wrestlers, well, weren't. He had an energy and a look that nobody else really ever had before. Yes this is very true.......the love for his flattening of Iron Sheik lasted a LONG time. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 12:44:05 GMT -5
He was a real life comic book/cartoon character.
Huge muscular physique. Intense charisma. Great crowd interaction.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Oct 1, 2014 22:55:03 GMT -5
Love him or hate him, there's no question that Hogan is the guy who made professional wrestling a household name. But my question is, why? How was it that someone who was pretty damn ugly appeal to such a huge audience? ? I will always argue that it was Vince who made modern wrestling what it is, not Hogan. Vince took a fragmented, niche product, re-invented it with larger-than-life characters and married his vision to the expanding marketing avenues of the 80s. How did Vince invent Hulk-a-mania? He saw something that Jim Crockett and Verne Gagne didn't: style was more important than substance in the cable TV era. Hogan is a perfect example of this. He already had the Rocky 3 cameo, which gave him some face/name recognition with the public. He was a tanned, blonde giant with muscles that seemed borrowed from Greek mythology. Vince gave him specific colors, a catchphrase, a couple of different theme songs, booked him as unbeatable for years, and gave kids a plethora of merchandise to keep their imaginations wrapped in the illusion. While you might think Hogan was ugly, that wasn't the case with many women/girls in the 80s. As guys, we often don't see what women see. I've seen women swoon over Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, and Johnny Depp for decades, but they just look like regular guys to me. Hogan's smile, the deep voice, the uber-masculine body, and the lantern jaw made legions of female wrestling fans giddy back then. |
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 1, 2014 23:25:11 GMT -5
Hogan also wasn't ridiculously overexposed like Cena has been for the last 7-8 years (like seriously, everyone that isn't pretty specifically a John Cena fan has probably been sick of his ass since at least like 2006).
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 8:04:06 GMT -5
The epitome of someone truly larger than life, plus his schtick with his hand to his ear encouraged massive audience participation; his matches were formulaic but worked amazingly for that era and he sold brilliantly until his comeback, which everyone looked forward to seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2014 11:54:34 GMT -5
The epitome of someone truly larger than life, plus his schtick with his hand to his ear encouraged massive audience participation; his matches were formulaic but worked amazingly for that era and he sold brilliantly until his comeback, which everyone looked forward to seeing. Yes He did.......the Hogan of WCW is markedly different than the one of WWF in 84-91. Hogan sold most offence like he had been shot with a cannonball.....until his comeback which as you rightly point out Chris-people were gasping to see. |
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Post by hulkhogancollector on Oct 10, 2014 11:42:58 GMT -5
Hogan had plenty of substance to go with all the flash and style he had make no mistake he got over in every promotion he worked AWA,WCW,Japan,WWF-WWE
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Post by specterkev on Oct 19, 2014 15:39:53 GMT -5
because these guys were over the top heroes that people wanted to see..unlike how most wrestlers are nowadays. I miss over the top guys..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 16:12:59 GMT -5
People loved the heroes then...these days, people cheer for the villain. Like the Joker.
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Post by Flair Forever on Oct 19, 2014 18:43:31 GMT -5
It was damn near impossible to be at a live show where Hogan appeared and not be swept up in "Hulkamania."
The first live show I ever went to, at Hersheypark Arena in 1990, was a "Superstars" TV taping - the main event was Hulk Hogan/Tugboat VS. Earthquake/Dino Bravo.
I was only about 13 I think - I had never heard such a roar of a crowd - the roof nearly blew off the place, and it's one of my fondest "rasslin memories" ever - at least, it's never been duplicated at any live show I've been to since. That feeling probably solidified the love for wrestling that I still feel today....
Hogan's comeback tour in 2005 came close..... I was at a Philly RAW - dark match main event Hogan/Cena/Batista VS. HHH/HBK/JBL - I had terrible seats, the very last row - and I still felt the rush of the roaring crowd, even from the very nosebleed seats....
Hulkamania is very real, brother.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2014 18:44:40 GMT -5
the weren't the Punks and Bryans back then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 14:51:16 GMT -5
I was watching right when Hulkamania was born. You just didn't see a wrestler like that back then. It does have to do everything with his positive message of training, saying your prayers (yea, good luck saying that now!) and eating your vitamins. It was what every parent of that generation wanted their kids to do. And here you have someone on TV for them to look up to "teaching" those same values. Yea, yea, we all know what Hogan was really like. But back then, he could do no wrong. He fought the bad guys and he was beat up but he always won. Just like John Wayne. And that's the generation it was. Hogan beat the odds when the deck was stacked against him. He carried the red, white, and blue and was proud to be an American. (again, good luck saying that now!)
His interviews said the right thing. He put over his matches but also put over the fans and America. Back then, looks had nothing to do with it. It was everything he said.
Also the people wanted to be just like Hulk. In their lives they were beaten down by life, and here you have this "hulking" guy just beating the odds. It's just like when Austin became the mega-star. Every ham and egger wished they could do to their boss what Austin did to his.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:05:23 GMT -5
I was watching right when Hulkamania was born. You just didn't see a wrestler like that back then. It does have to do everything with his positive message of training, saying your prayers (yea, good luck saying that now!) and eating your vitamins. It was what every parent of that generation wanted their kids to do. And here you have someone on TV for them to look up to "teaching" those same values. Yea, yea, we all know what Hogan was really like. But back then, he could do no wrong. He fought the bad guys and he was beat up but he always won. Just like John Wayne. And that's the generation it was. Hogan beat the odds when the deck was stacked against him. He carried the red, white, and blue and was proud to be an American. (again, good luck saying that now!) His interviews said the right thing. He put over his matches but also put over the fans and America. Back then, looks had nothing to do with it. It was everything he said. Also the people wanted to be just like Hulk. In their lives they were beaten down by life, and here you have this "hulking" guy just beating the odds. It's just like when Austin became the mega-star. Every ham and egger wished they could do to their boss what Austin did to his. Excellently put there man. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:25:10 GMT -5
I've been watching some old WWF recently and one thing I REALLY like about Hogan compared to Cena is...he always seems to take his opponents seriously. He's not laughing or smiling at monsters, he isn't squeaky clean, he can play dirty. I just found that interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 18:37:21 GMT -5
I've been watching some old WWF recently and one thing I REALLY like about Hogan compared to Cena is...he always seems to take his opponents seriously. He's not laughing or smiling at monsters, he isn't squeaky clean, he can play dirty. I just found that interesting. Bravo my Friend.....I say this everytime that Hogan & Cena are compared....... when Hogan was in a ME program he sold it like crazy.......Piper, Orndorff, Andre, Savage(the pinnacle for both) were treated as deadly serious threats to Hogan and his ability to feed his family.....and more importantly he sold it in the f*cking ring. At NO point would Hogan(being the extremely astute businessman he is)undermine an angle by laughing at his opponents like Cena does. Different times.....but Austin was the same. That is the key to both men's success......they sold the angles correctly with the top heels of their day. Cena is completely incapable of this......and he has proven it over and over for the last ten years. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 21:24:36 GMT -5
Playing the WWE 2K15 '30 Years of WrestleMania' brings back great memories of how invested I became in Hogan as a kid; there have been some great replies in this thread but the key to all of them is the 'feel' of how this tall, muscled and moustachioed man was the face of an entire era, by doing exactly what a babyface does to such a degree it was impossible not to get swept up in it.
Oh yes, and he took his opponents seriously, because he knew that if he did, we would, unlike a certain JC...
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Oct 20, 2014 22:26:53 GMT -5
Didn't Hogan wrestle a fair while outside of WWF and gain a lot of popularity before hitting WWF, obviously coming into the WWF he had a decent following so he didn't just come in as a nobody, combined with strong booking he got over easily at a time when the audience was easier to satisfy.
Thats my take anyways
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