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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 15:56:12 GMT -5
What, a push? No, everyone has to be equal at all times. If you beat me, I get to beat you. That's fair. Not sure if you're describing modern WWE or New Japan Pro Wrestling. Works either way!
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Post by bigraj on Oct 1, 2014 16:06:27 GMT -5
Okay, this will be pretty long-winded. I think WWE is mostly okay at the top of the card. Yeah, there are issues thanks to injuries, but there are other guys they can, and will, slide into the main event. They've done a great job in protecting Rusev and Reigns lately, and they absolutely still can make someone look like a star. The main problem is establishing a proper hierarchy. With the World title not being on TV all the time (and apparently missing some PPVs, too), the IC title should be firmly established as a big deal, and the champ should be seen as the "next" guy to possibly break into the top of the roster. Sorta like it used to be when guys like Morales, Tito, Muraco, Steamboat, Savage, Warrior, Perfect, Bret, HBK, and Razor held the title. Not all of them went on to be main eventers, but they were still almost on that level. IC title defenses should be reserved for PPV, with maybe a TV main event or two in between PPVs (I feel the same way about the tag titles), and the IC champ shouldn't be booked 50/50 with "regular" challengers. Only guys they see with a future in the main event scene should win the title or beat the champ in a non-title match. Cesaro, Ziggler, Rusev, Barret, and yes, even Miz, would be perfect at the top of this tier being able to slide up the card when injury/popularity dictates. Swagger, Sandow, and Truth would be a notch below those guys. The U.S. title should essentially be the TV champ, so there are regular title matches on TV. That's where the lower mid-card guys establish themselves and gain experience. NXT callups, Zack Ryder, Slater, etc. are perfect for this role, and they establish your "jobber" tier for the folks who aren't going to be moving up the card. Someone like Sheamus should not be slumming with that title. He's a multiple-time WWE and World Heavyweight Champion and should be above even the IC title. With Brock, Cena, Orton, Bryan (pending his return/health), Big Show, and perhaps a re-pushed Mark Henry, Sheamus, and Bray Wyatt, along the well-protected Shield guys, they've got a potentially solid main event tier. And there are recurring guys like RVD and Jericho that they are using just fine to push younger talent. A few more guys like that would help, since Van Dam and Y2J may have used up all their "juice" and beating them doesn't mean as much as it used to. Dusting off guys like Booker T and Christian occasionally to take that role would work for me. They just need to book properly, and IMO that means stop having these guys trade wins on TV. Top guys should only fight other top guys on PPV. Let the Cenas and Ortons beat up low-level IC contenders and below (no shame in them losing to a top guy) while the Cesaros are constantly being built up on TV to prepare them for a promotion up the card. It's really not that difficult to have your top stars while still having a strong mid-card. They just need to look at their own history. Okay, I think I'm done.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 16:06:55 GMT -5
Well, yeah but it could have been even better if they still had people threatening to take their talent and pose a ratings threat. Plus, maybe then no Triple H reign of terror on Raw. I'd rather have the Triple H reign of terror because it produced some of my favorite RAW matches of that era and SmackDown! 2002 is about as good as it's going to get. That program was better than pretty much any point during the Attitude Era in terms of angles and matches. It does not get better. Ah, when SmackDown was amazing. That period was so amazing, from a match and a story standpoint, I always grew up with SmackDown, I never really got into Raw until later. Mostly because I was young and didn't know there was anything else but man, the old SmackDown was so great, makes me sad to see what it has become today.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:22:07 GMT -5
I'd rather have the Triple H reign of terror because it produced some of my favorite RAW matches of that era and SmackDown! 2002 is about as good as it's going to get. That program was better than pretty much any point during the Attitude Era in terms of angles and matches. It does not get better. Ah, when SmackDown was amazing. That period was so amazing, from a match and a story standpoint, I always grew up with SmackDown, I never really got into Raw until later. Mostly because I was young and didn't know there was anything else but man, the old SmackDown was so great, makes me sad to see what it has become today. I really, really love 2002 SmackDown. Hopefully someone in WWE slips on a banana peel and we get the whole year on the Network soon.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 16:31:32 GMT -5
Ah, when SmackDown was amazing. That period was so amazing, from a match and a story standpoint, I always grew up with SmackDown, I never really got into Raw until later. Mostly because I was young and didn't know there was anything else but man, the old SmackDown was so great, makes me sad to see what it has become today. I really, really love 2002 SmackDown. Hopefully someone in WWE slips on a banana peel and we get the whole year on the Network soon. I've been waiting since the Network came out to get ECW Hardcore TV and RA era Smackdown. I prioritize that over AE Raw, because everyone has already seen the defining moments of the AE, it's been done to death.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 16:32:46 GMT -5
I really, really love 2002 SmackDown. Hopefully someone in WWE slips on a banana peel and we get the whole year on the Network soon. I've been waiting since the Network came out to get ECW Hardcore TV and RA era Smackdown. I prioritize that over AE Raw, because everyone has already seen the defining moments of the AE, it's been done to death. There's a few SD from 2002 but they're before things really took off. The SD with the Angle/Lesnar iron man is on the Network now though. Not sure if it's the uncut version from the Brock DVD but even if it's not, check that out. You're not going to find a better iron man match.
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Post by rustyy on Oct 1, 2014 16:37:26 GMT -5
I've been waiting since the Network came out to get ECW Hardcore TV and RA era Smackdown. I prioritize that over AE Raw, because everyone has already seen the defining moments of the AE, it's been done to death. There's a few SD from 2002 but they're before things really took off. The SD with the Angle/Lesnar iron man is on the Network now though. Not sure if it's the uncut version from the Brock DVD but even if it's not, check that out. You're not going to find a better iron man match. I've watched all the Smackdown's they have up right now, and I need more lol. Nitro is cool too, but like I said I've already seen all AE/NWO stuff, I'd actually like post NWO WCW. And I can't get into the HCTV stuff yet, I want more Shane Douglas/Sandman/Raven/Sabu, AKA more ECW and not Eastern Championship Wrestling.
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 1, 2014 18:51:11 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that right now, they have a booking committee that apparently has 20-30 members. There's no way you can coherently book anyone on the roster (except SuperCena, who is easy to book because he always murders everyone) when you have all of those different ideas, plans, interests and agendas. You just can't do it. Even Brock has been poorly booked twice against SuperCena. And at least once again in his Wrestlemania match with Triple H.
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Post by Chip on Oct 1, 2014 19:02:54 GMT -5
The problem with the WWE is that they are more focused on pop culture, social media, whatever internet trend is happening, twitter & their own self promotion that they don't really care about anything else. Add to that the fact that the floor has not even come close to falling out from underneath them.
And it's a coincidence or not that every single "new" guy they have tried to rise to the top of the card gets injured. I could give a bunch of examples but Bryan is the most recent behind Reigns. Which kind of kills the momentum dead flat.
Also the WWE thinks their entire fanbase are a bunch of morons which is why every week we get told who is who and how many championships they've won. Or that it's now 11:00 and it's our MAIN EVENT WHAT A MATCH (while Cena has Orton in a headlock) Or that people would rather watch 45 second squash matches, Russian guys crapting on America, midgets in alligator costumes....than actual competitive wrestling with stories behind it.
But truth be told, The WWE is doing fine. The Network is doing fine. So in Vince's eyes theres no reason to change anything.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Oct 1, 2014 20:09:04 GMT -5
Even Brock has been poorly booked twice against SuperCena. And at least once again in his Wrestlemania match with Triple H. He was booked well in all three Cena matches. Yes, he lost the first one, which was the only bad part. Other than that, it twas a 20+ minute beating. SummerSlam was obviously a beating. Night of Champions was John Cena doing any and everything to try to win. What, did you want the top guy in the company to look like no challenge for the title twice in a row?
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Post by johnnyb on Oct 1, 2014 20:45:11 GMT -5
Even Brock has been poorly booked twice against SuperCena. And at least once again in his Wrestlemania match with Triple H. He was booked well in all three Cena matches. Yes, he lost the first one, which was the only bad part. Other than that, it twas a 20+ minute beating. SummerSlam was obviously a beating. Night of Champions was John Cena doing any and everything to try to win. What, did you want the top guy in the company to look like no challenge for the title twice in a row? Losing his freaking return match... on its own that is terrible. It was a very lame, obvious attempt to satiate Cena after he put the Rock over at 'Mania. To me that was one of the matches in wrestling history that had the most logical conclusion, and they whiffed on it big time. And come on now... Night of Champions was a huge dud. Cena spent the last two minutes of the match beating the crap out of Lesnar and the narrative they've been selling since then (from basically everyone than Heyman) is that he had the match won. The booking made no sense after the Summerslam match (which I feel was a little too one-sided... like, how do you even follow that act?). I thought they either had to put Lesnar over huge again, which would probably do more business than another "unbelievable" Cena comeback. What they really should have done after Summerslam was keep the two apart for at least six months or a year so they could actually build to a big rematch as opposed to hot-shotting it and delivering a BS match like they did.
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