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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 2, 2014 23:24:49 GMT -5
Ughhhhh Carlito and Shelton :/ I even think Brian Kendrick could've done well. Kennedy and MVP owened smackdown for a few years. I don't think any of those people should've done better lol. All good mid-card talents, but none of them could main event. Yup. Carlito maybe if he'd put the work in and improved, but as a talent he plateaued early (his career was basically a great debut, then all downhill) and he got lazy and complacent. The idea of Benjamin and Morrison ever being good enough to be main event guys is just laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:26:09 GMT -5
And zero charisma or personality ?? Have none of you watched the dirtsheet? Yeah maybe he wasn't the best when he was a face but as a heel he wasn't bad at all and there have been worse *cough* Lesnar Have you seen literally any promo of his outside of his work with Miz? Zero charisma and personality. When he was on ECW as a heel he wasn't bad at all, when he was a face I do admit he was very cheesy and came off as trying to hard but he can play a decent upper mid card heel if he came back unless his acting classes paid off and he can be a better face
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:26:34 GMT -5
And zero charisma or personality ?? Have none of you watched the dirtsheet? Yeah maybe he wasn't the best when he was a face but as a heel he wasn't bad at all and there have been worse *cough* Lesnar There have been no worse than him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:27:23 GMT -5
Have you seen literally any promo of his outside of his work with Miz? Zero charisma and personality. When he was on ECW as a heel he wasn't bad at all, when he was a face I do admit he was very cheesy and came off as trying to hard but he can play a decent upper mid card heel if he came back unless his acting classes paid off and he can be a better face He was god awful as a heel. If you've seen Hercules, you know his acting classes haven't paid off lol.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:28:33 GMT -5
I don't think any of those people should've done better lol. All good mid-card talents, but none of them could main event. Yup. Carlito maybe if he'd put the work in and improved, but as a talent he plateaued early (his career was basically a great debut, then all downhill) and he got lazy and complacent. The idea of Benjamin and Morrison ever being good enough to be main event guys is just laughable. Kennedy and MVP are more believable main event talent than Carlito. I don't understand how everyone sees him as being a guy who could have been in the main event. It was clear from day one with his gimmick and look that he'd be a mid carder
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:30:49 GMT -5
And zero charisma or personality ?? Have none of you watched the dirtsheet? Yeah maybe he wasn't the best when he was a face but as a heel he wasn't bad at all and there have been worse *cough* Lesnar There have been no worse than him. I really don't see what was bad about it besides it being poorly written. It's not his fault the stuff he was given to say was trash lol I bet if he was given something good, he can deliver it fine
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:31:36 GMT -5
Yup. Carlito maybe if he'd put the work in and improved, but as a talent he plateaued early (his career was basically a great debut, then all downhill) and he got lazy and complacent. The idea of Benjamin and Morrison ever being good enough to be main event guys is just laughable. Kennedy and MVP are more believable main event talent than Carlito. I don't understand how everyone sees him as being a guy who could have been in the main event. It was clear from day one with his gimmick and look that he'd be a mid carder Because he could get legitimate heat, work a solid match and cut a solid promo. MVP didn't have the mic skills and Kennedy didn't have the talent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:32:39 GMT -5
There have been no worse than him. I really don't see what was bad about it besides it being poorly written. It's not his fault the stuff he was given to say was trash lol I bet if he was given something good, he can deliver it fine That promo is proof he has no delivery at all. Every single one of his promos is delivered just as bad if not worse. A lot of superstars are given crap to say, none of them deliver it that badly. Look at Rollins, he's awful on the mic, but he delivers what he's been given much much better.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 2, 2014 23:36:08 GMT -5
It's not his fault the stuff he was given to say was trash lol Morrison's promos being a million times worse than his contemporaries is not down to the scripts -- WWE didn't hire especially bad writers who wrote just for John Morrison. It's down to how terrible he is. Please never bet any kind of substantial money on that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:41:52 GMT -5
Awesome match. Both were impressive as hell.
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Post by Chief on Nov 2, 2014 23:44:23 GMT -5
I don't hold that promo against him because everyone has had terrible promos.
I can't count how many cringe worthy John Cena poop joke promos I've sat through.
Hell Daniel Bryan's "BO-ner" promo from earlier this year was very very bad.
95% of RVDs WWE promos are bad to terrible.
The list goes on and on really.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:45:39 GMT -5
I don't hold that promo against him because everyone has had terrible promos. I can't count how many cringe worthy John Cena poop joke promos I've sat through. Hell Daniel Bryan's "BO-ner" promo from earlier this year was very very bad. 95% of RVDs WWE promos are bad to terrible. The list goes on and on really. I take it you've never seen any other Morrison promo then. RVD is a completely different situation, as is Bryan.
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Post by Chief on Nov 2, 2014 23:52:50 GMT -5
I don't hold that promo against him because everyone has had terrible promos. I can't count how many cringe worthy John Cena poop joke promos I've sat through. Hell Daniel Bryan's "BO-ner" promo from earlier this year was very very bad. 95% of RVDs WWE promos are bad to terrible. The list goes on and on really. I take it you've never seen any other Morrison promo then. RVD is a completely different situation, as is Bryan. Every one can be a completely different situation if you want them to be. People on here hate on Cesaros promo ability and charisma and yet I've seen a ton of his Chikara work where he is fantastic. Miz has also had a lot of bad promos (especially during his "really" phase). Roman Reigns had that terrible video promo not too long ago. Bray Wyatt has been giving the same tired nonsense promo for a while now but he gets a pass cause of his delivery. Dolph Ziggler is also not a good promo. Especially during the Magneto Sandow and Miz cellphone hack segments. I can go on and on if you like. The point being that there are a very few guys that don't have a handful of terrible promos. And we will have to agree to disagree on Morrison having natural charisma. But again if you don't like this match it would seem you just don't like Morrison and thus aren't unbiased in this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2014 23:57:25 GMT -5
JoMo was good with The Miz.
I don't think Morrison was nearly as bad cutting promos as Jeff Hardy and he won the world title a couple times. I think Jeff Hardy is clearly the worst promo ever. JoMo is fine but not as a face. It just didn't work.
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Post by Chief on Nov 3, 2014 0:00:28 GMT -5
JoMo was good with The Miz. I don't think Morrison was nearly as bad cutting promos as Jeff Hardy and he won the world title a couple times. I think Jeff Hardy is clearly the worst promo ever. JoMo is fine but not as a face. It just didn't work. Holy I didn't even think of Jeff Hardy. Any time he screamed in a promo it was the dirt worst. He screams like a child. And Btdubs this whole not being a tough guy backstage stuff is bullshit. I don't give a who is and who isn't a tough guy backstage. I just want good wrestling in the ring on my TV screen.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 0:04:43 GMT -5
John Morrison is a personal favorite of mine. I love anyone who brings something new/unique to the table. JoMo did that in the ring. I agree his promos were lackluster and not very memorable. However, his work rate was fantastic and was truly one of those guys who could have a good match with anyone.
It's hard to make the argument for JoMo being the worst promo man in the business as he's not even close. Jeff Hardy and others have had ZERO redeeming qualities on the mic. JoMo at least had moments where he was decent during his heel run with Miz.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 0:05:20 GMT -5
I take it you've never seen any other Morrison promo then. RVD is a completely different situation, as is Bryan. Every one can be a completely different situation if you want them to be. People on here hate on Cesaros promo ability and charisma and yet I've seen a ton of his Chikara work where he is fantastic. -Great, but that's not WWE, where has shown the exact opposite. Miz has also had a lot of bad promos (especially during his "really" phase). Roman Reigns had that terrible video promo not too long ago. -Miz has proven he's able to cut an actual promo. Reigns has the larger than life look that JoMo never had.Bray Wyatt has been giving the same tired nonsense promo for a while now but he gets a pass cause of his delivery. Because his delivery is fantastic, and the character is interesting.Dolph Ziggler is also not a good promo. Especially during the Magneto Sandow and Miz cellphone hack segments. Yes, and he's in the mid card where he should be. I can go on and on if you like. The point being that there are a very few guys that don't have a handful of terrible promos Morrison doesn't have a single good promo that didn't involve somebody else.And we will have to agree to disagree on Morrison having natural charisma. But again if you don't like this match it would seem you just don't like Morrison and thus aren't unbiased in this discussion. I actually love Morrison in the ring, Ricochet too. This match was spots for the sake of doing spots and had no psychology to it. The entire thing was booked like a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 0:15:00 GMT -5
Every one can be a completely different situation if you want them to be. People on here hate on Cesaros promo ability and charisma and yet I've seen a ton of his Chikara work where he is fantastic. -Great, but that's not WWE, where has shown the exact opposite. Miz has also had a lot of bad promos (especially during his "really" phase). Roman Reigns had that terrible video promo not too long ago. -Miz has proven he's able to cut an actual promo. Reigns has the larger than life look that JoMo never had.Bray Wyatt has been giving the same tired nonsense promo for a while now but he gets a pass cause of his delivery. Because his delivery is fantastic, and the character is interesting.Dolph Ziggler is also not a good promo. Especially during the Magneto Sandow and Miz cellphone hack segments. Yes, and he's in the mid card where he should be. I can go on and on if you like. The point being that there are a very few guys that don't have a handful of terrible promos Morrison doesn't have a single good promo that didn't involve somebody else.And we will have to agree to disagree on Morrison having natural charisma. But again if you don't like this match it would seem you just don't like Morrison and thus aren't unbiased in this discussion. I actually love Morrison in the ring, Ricochet too. This match was spots for the sake of doing spots and had no psychology to it. The entire thing was booked like a mess. I think that was the point. We are so used to this "WWE style" storytelling stuff that sometimes it's refreshing to see something different. I liked that it was a spotfest. It was damn sure entertaining and held my attention, anyway. It's a different product with a different style. I'm glad they aren't going the TNA route and just wanting to be a copy of WWE. The wrestling business is thirsting for variety and something new and different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 0:22:55 GMT -5
I actually love Morrison in the ring, Ricochet too. This match was spots for the sake of doing spots and had no psychology to it. The entire thing was booked like a mess. I think that was the point. We are so used to this "WWE style" storytelling stuff that sometimes it's refreshing to see something different. I liked that it was a spotfest. It was damn sure entertaining and held my attention, anyway. It's a different product with a different style. I'm glad they aren't going the TNA route and just wanting to be a copy of WWE. The wrestling business is thirsting for variety and something new and different. Yeah, I know what they were going for, and Ricochet is perfect for the lucha style, it just doesn't appeal to me is all.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2014 0:25:09 GMT -5
I think that was the point. We are so used to this "WWE style" storytelling stuff that sometimes it's refreshing to see something different. I liked that it was a spotfest. It was damn sure entertaining and held my attention, anyway. It's a different product with a different style. I'm glad they aren't going the TNA route and just wanting to be a copy of WWE. The wrestling business is thirsting for variety and something new and different. Yeah, I know what they were going for, and Ricochet is perfect for the lucha style, it just doesn't appeal to me is all. That's fair. I totally understand. It was different. That's for sure!
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