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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 3:30:09 GMT -5
Love him or hate him, Jeff Hardy in 2008-9 was arguably going to overtake Cena as the most over star on the roster. I believe at one point he even outsold Cena on merchandise (not 100% sure). Sadly, Jeff couldn't keep his demons in check. I still wonder how the WWE would be if Jeff had stuck around and his issues hadn't have gotten the best of him. I think Jeff would have easily been one of the faces of WWE. It's just such a damn shame he let his demons get the best of him again.
How do you think WWE would be today if Jeff had stuck around?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 10:48:22 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy always had a way of connecting with the fans and they sure loved him to death during this time period.
It's very unique because Jeff Hardy was never a great technical wrestler and certainly wasn't memorable on the microphone. In fact, I'd say he was downright awful on the mic.
However, he still became World Champion, had a massive following and was in some really great matches. I agree Jeff Hardy was much more popular than John Cena during this time period.
Where would we be had Jeff Hardy stayed clean and stuck around? I don't know. I'm really not sure. Hopefully it wouldn't be the same stale place we are now where Cena vs. Orton is still taking place on PPV.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 10:58:00 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy always had a way of connecting with the fans and they sure loved him to death during this time period. It's very unique because Jeff Hardy was never a great technical wrestler and certainly wasn't memorable on the microphone. In fact, I'd say he was downright awful on the mic. However, he still became World Champion, had a massive following and was in some really great matches. I agree Jeff Hardy was much more popular than John Cena during this time period. Where would we be had Jeff Hardy stayed clean and stuck around? I don't know. I'm really not sure. Hopefully it wouldn't be the same stale place we are now where Cena vs. Orton is still taking place on PPV. That's the thing about Jeff. He simply got over for just being himself. He also has/ had men, women, and children all cheering and supporting him. It's just weird how organically he got over too. He didn't have to be the best wrestler or talker, he was just over and still is I dunno, I just firmly believe that of he had stayed clean, he'd be a huge player in WWE today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:09:34 GMT -5
I loved Jeff as a kid, and I still do now. I'm not sure what it is about him but I can't help but like him. I also loved his TNA heel run, he killed it in that role.
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Post by Tyler Black on Nov 5, 2014 11:20:05 GMT -5
Jeff hardy was my favorite wrestler on the planet from 2000-2011 coludnt tell you why I loved him so much I just did. I remember freaking out when he lost the retirement match to punk. Unfortunately I never felt the same about Jeff after the "no condition to perform" incident. Honestly as much as I love Jeff, I can't see him fitting into wwe post 2010. Wwe from 2011- now has just been so different I just can't see him fitting in. The most I can see is a feud with Rollins or Ambrose or even Wyatt to elevate them
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 5, 2014 11:21:07 GMT -5
For Jeff Hardy to stay clean and work a WWE schedule, it would require a personality transplant. Personality transplant would mean losing his connection with the audience and probably end up with him being released. Then we'd get more Cena vs Orton.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:27:21 GMT -5
Jeff hardy was my favorite wrestler on the planet from 2000-2011 coludnt tell you why I loved him so much I just did. I remember freaking out when he lost the retirement match to punk. Unfortunately I never felt the same about Jeff after the "no condition to perform" incident. Honestly as much as I love Jeff, I can't see him fitting into wwe post 2010. Wwe from 2011- now has just been so different I just can't see him fitting in. The most I can see is a feud with Rollins or Ambrose or even Wyatt to elevate them It took me a while to get over it, but I did. Eh who knows? I could be wrong or right, sadly we'll never know. It's too late now.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 5, 2014 11:30:15 GMT -5
@monoxide23, I was never a big Jeff Hardy fan. During the tag team wars in the early 2000's, I was always a huge Edge and Christian supporter and I liked the Dudleys more. When they split, I loved Matt Hardy Version 1 and didn't like Jeff, even after his Ladder Match classic with The Undertaker. After his return from TNA, I still didn't care for him and his Intercontinental Title run.
But something happened in 2008. I think it was around the time of his feud with Randy Orton near the start of the year. Jeff became cool. Something about him just clicked with me and I was a big Hardy fan from 2008 until he left. Great matches, fun character, INSANELY OVER and I'll be the one to say it. He was indeed more over than John Cena, he appealed to nearly everyone. Jeff Hardy won me over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:33:21 GMT -5
@monoxide23, I was never a big Jeff Hardy fan. During the tag team wars in the early 2000's, I was always a huge Edge and Christian supporter and I liked the Dudleys more. When they split, I loved Matt Hardy Version 1 and didn't like Jeff, even after his Ladder Match classic with The Undertaker. After his return from TNA, I still didn't care for him and his Intercontinental Title run. But something happened in 2008. I think it was around the time of his feud with Randy Orton near the start of the year. Jeff became cool. Something about him just clicked with me and I was a big Hardy fan from 2008 until he left. Great matches, fun character, INSANELY OVER and I'll be the one to say it. He was indeed more over than John Cena, he appealed to nearly everyone. Jeff Hardy won me over. Indeed. It makes me sad honestly that Jeff didn't keep his demons in check. It just sucks he had to embarrass himself on TV to FINALLY conquer them. If he hadn't gotten suspended, he was supposedly going to win the MITB and cash in the same night at WM 24. Shame.
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Post by Infinite on Nov 5, 2014 11:47:13 GMT -5
Dude should have been huge. I mean, he kinda was huge, but should've been huger. His feud with Punk was gold.
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Post by Slim on Nov 5, 2014 12:04:54 GMT -5
I loved him too! I think he would be around with Sheamus, Miz, Ziggler for the IC/US title.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 5, 2014 12:06:40 GMT -5
They took too long to pull the trigger with Hardy that by the time they did, Wrestlemania plans were already in place and he wasn't in them. They had HHH as champ for the whole second half of 2008 and he had awful matches with Kozlov and Khali etc. Could have easily let Jeff run with the ball there instead of throwing the title on him for 3 weeks like they ended up doing.
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Post by Focalin on Nov 5, 2014 13:19:29 GMT -5
Is that why he left WWE? because he was relapsing? I had no clue
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Nov 5, 2014 14:29:40 GMT -5
I never understood how Matt Hardy couldn't have been angry at Jeff for his entire career. Matt became the man on Smackdown in 2003, and should have been US Heavyweight Champion and was definitely heading to the main event. He had awesome matches at that time, was over a heel, could work anyone, and yet, Jeff, who did drugs after drugs, and got suspended so many times, leaves the WWE after having sloppy matches to go to TNA, only to come back, do it all over again and gets rewarded the WWE Title 3 times.
That HAS to eat away at Matt Hardy somewhere deep inside him. It just has too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 14:31:10 GMT -5
I never understood how Matt Hardy couldn't have been angry at Jeff for his entire career. Matt became the man on Smackdown in 2003, and should have been US Heavyweight Champion and was definitely heading to the main event. He had awesome matches at that time, was over a heel, could work anyone, and yet, Jeff, who did drugs after drugs, and got suspended so many times, leaves the WWE after having sloppy matches to go to TNA, only to come back, do it all over again and gets rewarded the WWE Title 3 times. That HAS to eat away at Matt Hardy somewhere deep inside him. It just has too. I agree with this so much.
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Post by hbkjason on Nov 5, 2014 16:06:51 GMT -5
If there is a case of a wrestler having the IT factor it was Jeff Hardy. I ing loved his singles run, but I could not tell you why I loved watching him so much. he was just so captivating and like others have said he was not the best in the ring and he was not all that great on the mic. But when he came through that curtain he just captured my attention like very few other wrestlers ever have. To me it always came across that Matt trained harder and perhaps had the better "wrestling brain" but he could not even come close to teh way Jeff could connect with an audience.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Nov 5, 2014 16:55:44 GMT -5
If there is a case of a wrestler having the IT factor it was Jeff Hardy. I ing loved his singles run, but I could not tell you why I loved watching him so much. he was just so captivating and like others have said he was not the best in the ring and he was not all that great on the mic. But when he came through that curtain he just captured my attention like very few other wrestlers ever have. To me it always came across that Matt trained harder and perhaps had the better "wrestling brain" but he could not even come close to teh way Jeff could connect with an audience. I think Matt had one truly golden opportunity to get over huge. When Lita cheated on him and WWE legit fired him shortly after, the audience genuinely felt for him. Upon his return he was over and could have become a big time player down the line. But once the fued with Edge ended they squandered all that potential.....and fast. As for Jeff, if he would have stayed he would ,no doubt, been a top level player rivaling Cena for that spot. He probably would be in programs with the Shield/Wyatts and the Authority during the past year. But i think the biggest missed opportunity would have been an on going fued with Punk during the SES heyday and a renewed one during Punks historic title reign.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 5, 2014 18:56:06 GMT -5
Jeff could come back next Monday and be just as over as he was before. It's amazing.
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Post by sitruC on Nov 5, 2014 19:49:18 GMT -5
I was never a fan and don't really see what others do in him and still see him as highly overrated, however I'll admit he was really over and kids in my school who didn't watch WWE bought the arm/wrist band things he had, showing how liked he was.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 5, 2014 20:04:11 GMT -5
Is that why he left WWE? because he was relapsing? I had no clue He left because he couldn't handle the schedule and the wellness policy.
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