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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 18, 2014 18:57:45 GMT -5
I'm ok with it. Heyward couldn't stay healthy, and while he was awesome in the field, his power and offense never came around like it was supposed to for whatever reason. I'm fine with moving on, since all indications were that he wanted a big contract. I'll miss him though. We did need the pitching, but man we REALLY need some offense, and I have no idea where that is going to come from. Is Heyward going to reach his potential or is he Jeff Francouer? I was definitely weary about giving him a big contract. I just hope we can pay someone to take BJ Upton or Chris Johnson. I still wish Fredi was gone. You know who you should deal, Craig Kimbrel. Relievers are a dime a dozen, even elite ones. BJ Upton is a disaster, but if I am the Braves I am telling anyone who wants Justin Upton, you need to take BJ. Even with this deal I think the Braves are still okay, Shelby Miller was a top 10 prospect in baseball 2 years ago. St Louis used him poorly. I am sure Atlanta will love him behind Teheran. I think the Braves got the better end of this because I like Jenkins a lot too
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Post by T R W on Nov 18, 2014 21:17:58 GMT -5
I'm ok with it. Heyward couldn't stay healthy, and while he was awesome in the field, his power and offense never came around like it was supposed to for whatever reason. I'm fine with moving on, since all indications were that he wanted a big contract. I'll miss him though. We did need the pitching, but man we REALLY need some offense, and I have no idea where that is going to come from. Is Heyward going to reach his potential or is he Jeff Francouer? I was definitely weary about giving him a big contract. I just hope we can pay someone to take BJ Upton or Chris Johnson. I still wish Fredi was gone. You know who you should deal, Craig Kimbrel. Relievers are a dime a dozen, even elite ones. BJ Upton is a disaster, but if I am the Braves I am telling anyone who wants Justin Upton, you need to take BJ. Even with this deal I think the Braves are still okay, Shelby Miller was a top 10 prospect in baseball 2 years ago. St Louis used him poorly. I am sure Atlanta will love him behind Teheran. I think the Braves got the better end of this because I like Jenkins a lot too I love Kimbrel but I agree with you. I would gladly trade him for some offense. I'd be glad to give away Justin if they agree to take BJ.
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Post by Chip on Nov 18, 2014 22:07:31 GMT -5
Even though I'm sure he's just doing it to try and drive up the price from the Sox Jon Lester visits with the Barves... T R W
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Post by T R W on Nov 18, 2014 22:16:50 GMT -5
Even though I'm sure he's just doing it to try and drive up the price from the Sox Jon Lester visits with the Barves... T R WI'd be shocked if they spend that kind of money especially while eating the contracts of Chris Johnson, Uggla, and BJ Upton. I'm not even sure I would want them too.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 18, 2014 22:39:11 GMT -5
Lester lives in Hotlanta, so people are saying he might really consider it.
I honestly dont think hes coming back to Boston, I would love it of course, hes the only ace the Red Sox can trust but I dunno if the Sox pull it out.
I think he goes to Chicago/Seattle and maybe Atlanta as a sleeper.
If the Braves are totally gonna rebuild Kimbrel should go, and you attach any garbage you can to Justin Upton and just rebuild but I dont understand...why not just resign Justin Upton? Hes really good? Build around him, Simmons and Freeman...and Teheran/Miller/Kimbrel?
Either blow it up or dont be stupid anymore
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Post by ICW on Nov 19, 2014 0:02:07 GMT -5
Lester lives in Hotlanta, so people are saying he might really consider it. I honestly dont think hes coming back to Boston, I would love it of course, hes the only ace the Red Sox can trust but I dunno if the Sox pull it out. I think he goes to Chicago/Seattle and maybe Atlanta as a sleeper. If the Braves are totally gonna rebuild Kimbrel should go, and you attach any garbage you can to Justin Upton and just rebuild but I dont understand...why not just resign Justin Upton? Hes really good? Build around him, Simmons and Freeman...and Teheran/Miller/Kimbrel? Either blow it up or dont be stupid anymore If he goes back to Boston, I don't know why they didn't trade him to a team that could've offered more than Cespedes (who kinda sucks). Trade Lester for a crap ton of prospects and then bring him back a few months later. Now they'll have him and just Cespedes, who's out the door soon.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 19, 2014 13:09:07 GMT -5
Theo is going to over spend on Lester, especially since he, wisely, held-off on Martin. The Cubs are throwing the house at Lester, and I'll be amazed if he's not a Cub before the meetings. He's numero uno on a list without budgetary constraint. It wouldn't be crazy for the Cubs to throw a sixth year at him either. Unless there is a play for a trade, which isn't unrealistic either on the Cole Hamels front, I think Theo is saying tell me what you want to him. It's the only true area of need with how well they've traded and developed their farm over the last two years.
I like the Billy Butler signing for Oakland. I think his power is going to be back next season. If he hovers over .800 he's a bargain for the A's and he's still young and doesn't ever get hurt. A bit shocked the Royals let him walk on the 1 year option honestly.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 19, 2014 18:29:21 GMT -5
Lester lives in Hotlanta, so people are saying he might really consider it. I honestly dont think hes coming back to Boston, I would love it of course, hes the only ace the Red Sox can trust but I dunno if the Sox pull it out. I think he goes to Chicago/Seattle and maybe Atlanta as a sleeper. If the Braves are totally gonna rebuild Kimbrel should go, and you attach any garbage you can to Justin Upton and just rebuild but I dont understand...why not just resign Justin Upton? Hes really good? Build around him, Simmons and Freeman...and Teheran/Miller/Kimbrel? Either blow it up or dont be stupid anymore If he goes back to Boston, I don't know why they didn't trade him to a team that could've offered more than Cespedes (who kinda sucks). Trade Lester for a crap ton of prospects and then bring him back a few months later. Now they'll have him and just Cespedes, who's out the door soon. Cespedes is a power bat, something the Sox need, but yes he doesnt know how to get on base and hes declined every year since his rookie year. I like Cespedes, but hes not a star or someone you say "Lets trade Mookie Betts or Napoli to make room for" I honestly think the Sox chose him over prospects because they have enough prospects and enough positional-jams to deal with already. I love Lester, I want him back, but I dont wanna get my hopes up just yet
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 19, 2014 18:30:12 GMT -5
Theo is going to over spend on Lester, especially since he, wisely, held-off on Martin. The Cubs are throwing the house at Lester, and I'll be amazed if he's not a Cub before the meetings. He's numero uno on a list without budgetary constraint. It wouldn't be crazy for the Cubs to throw a sixth year at him either. Unless there is a play for a trade, which isn't unrealistic either on the Cole Hamels front, I think Theo is saying tell me what you want to him. It's the only true area of need with how well they've traded and developed their farm over the last two years. I like the Billy Butler signing for Oakland. I think his power is going to be back next season. If he hovers over .800 he's a bargain for the A's and he's still young and doesn't ever get hurt. A bit shocked the Royals let him walk on the 1 year option honestly. Supposedly the Sox are offering Lester 6 years....
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 20, 2014 11:53:00 GMT -5
Theo is going to over spend on Lester, especially since he, wisely, held-off on Martin. The Cubs are throwing the house at Lester, and I'll be amazed if he's not a Cub before the meetings. He's numero uno on a list without budgetary constraint. It wouldn't be crazy for the Cubs to throw a sixth year at him either. Unless there is a play for a trade, which isn't unrealistic either on the Cole Hamels front, I think Theo is saying tell me what you want to him. It's the only true area of need with how well they've traded and developed their farm over the last two years. I like the Billy Butler signing for Oakland. I think his power is going to be back next season. If he hovers over .800 he's a bargain for the A's and he's still young and doesn't ever get hurt. A bit shocked the Royals let him walk on the 1 year option honestly. Supposedly the Sox are offering Lester 6 years.... Yeah, but only at 120m. Lester is going to demand more than 20m a season. I think he's going to pull 25m a year no matter where he goes and for how long. I would look for something like 150 over 6 with the 6th year being some kind of option, likely player. He's not going to get CC money, largely just based on age timing, but he's going to come damn close imo. We will see. Let me be clear, I think what the Red Sox are offering him is completely fair, especially for his age. I actually thought the 4 year deal was probably on par with his value. That being said, that's not how free agency works. Someone is going to over pay for him, they always do. I personally would prefer Cole Hamels, I think he's better, but it's easier to spend $25m a year than give up pieces to the Phillies that you could later regret. In a perfect world I'd take them both.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2014 12:05:05 GMT -5
Cespedes has great upside, but man, that guy has no plate vision. He's basically boom or bust. I think he could do well in a hitters park like Colorado, where he may not need to swing for the fences every at bat.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 20, 2014 17:12:20 GMT -5
Cespedes is what he is: Gonna get 30 HRs, a ton of k's, no walks and a great arm. Is that worth 10, 15, 20 mil a year?
That is the question.
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Post by ICW on Nov 20, 2014 18:50:34 GMT -5
Cespedes is what he is: Gonna get 30 HRs, a ton of k's, no walks and a great arm. Is that worth 10, 15, 20 mil a year? That is the question. Def. not $20M
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 20, 2014 18:57:00 GMT -5
Cespedes is what he is: Gonna get 30 HRs, a ton of k's, no walks and a great arm. Is that worth 10, 15, 20 mil a year? That is the question. Def. not $20M I wouldnt even pay him 15 Tell Jay Z to go himself if he asks for that
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Post by ICW on Nov 20, 2014 19:07:20 GMT -5
I wouldnt even pay him 15 Tell Jay Z to go himself if he asks for that $10M-12M because of his arm and power and I even I think that's a little high.
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Post by LA Times on Nov 20, 2014 22:25:20 GMT -5
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Nov 20, 2014 22:35:03 GMT -5
Cano hasnt started to suck yet like everyone else on that list has.
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Post by IRS on Nov 21, 2014 14:52:48 GMT -5
If the Phillies don't pull the trigger on Tomas, it's time to get the torches and pitchforks.
It's bad enough that they'll probably price themselves out of trading Hamels.
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Post by ICW on Nov 23, 2014 23:32:51 GMT -5
Red Sox sign Hanley Ramirez. 5/90M
Reasonable deal. Offense is never in question. Health + his sucky defense basically anywhere in the field are the draw backs. Still a good deal.
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Post by ICW on Nov 23, 2014 23:52:46 GMT -5
Also, Pablo Sandoval has been spotted on a flight from Mimai to Boston. Deal appears imminent.
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