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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 20:52:16 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to think Vince is not high on Cesaro? - Because since Wrestlemania Cesaro has won about 4 matches - Has never been given any direction, purpose or character outside of "a Heyman guy" - never gotten a wwe title shot or been even close to it outside of Chamber this year - turned face, then heel almost immediately with zero purpose - has literally JOBBED out to every mid card champion of the past 3 months - theme changed about 4 times since Wrestlemania - is being used as the "guy who can't get it done"....like he comes out on Smackdown and says he deserves to be on Team Authority and he'll prove - it....then he goes and loses to Ryback all this despite being the best pure in-ring talent this company has, and consistently getting cheers from a good portion of the audiences (when the crowd actually cares) There absolutely HAS to be some truth to the idea that Vince doesn't like Cesaro. It HAS to be more than just him not having as much charisma as Ambrose or Rollins or whoever. (And even that is stretching because the WWE has never even given Cesaro a chance to get rolling with any character so how do we even know?) and they've pushed/are pushing other guys who are on the same level of mic work that Cesaro is. I'm pretty sure Tyson Kidd has more wins on "main roster" TV in the last 6 months than Cesaro does. He did have a WWE Title match after the Chamber, he was in the WWE World Heavyweight Championship ladder match at MITB. Of course he had no chance of winning. If they release Emma again I'll.....I'll just rant on Twitter....but it'll all be in caps!.....with random exclamation marks!....yeah, that'll show 'em! Right?
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Post by Cody Rhodes Diva on Nov 15, 2014 21:51:43 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to think Vince is not high on Cesaro? - Because since Wrestlemania Cesaro has won about 4 matches - Has never been given any direction, purpose or character outside of "a Heyman guy" - never gotten a wwe title shot or been even close to it outside of Chamber this year - turned face, then heel almost immediately with zero purpose - has literally JOBBED out to every mid card champion of the past 3 months - theme changed about 4 times since Wrestlemania - is being used as the "guy who can't get it done"....like he comes out on Smackdown and says he deserves to be on Team Authority and he'll prove - it....then he goes and loses to Ryback all this despite being the best pure in-ring talent this company has, and consistently getting cheers from a good portion of the audiences (when the crowd actually cares) There absolutely HAS to be some truth to the idea that Vince doesn't like Cesaro. It HAS to be more than just him not having as much charisma as Ambrose or Rollins or whoever. (And even that is stretching because the WWE has never even given Cesaro a chance to get rolling with any character so how do we even know?) and they've pushed/are pushing other guys who are on the same level of mic work that Cesaro is. I'm pretty sure Tyson Kidd has more wins on "main roster" TV in the last 6 months than Cesaro does. Oh, I know what it is. Vince is never a fan of Ring of Honor. Could that be it?
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 15, 2014 21:53:32 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to think Vince is not high on Cesaro? - Because since Wrestlemania Cesaro has won about 4 matches - Has never been given any direction, purpose or character outside of "a Heyman guy" - never gotten a wwe title shot or been even close to it outside of Chamber this year - turned face, then heel almost immediately with zero purpose - has literally JOBBED out to every mid card champion of the past 3 months - theme changed about 4 times since Wrestlemania - is being used as the "guy who can't get it done"....like he comes out on Smackdown and says he deserves to be on Team Authority and he'll prove - it....then he goes and loses to Ryback all this despite being the best pure in-ring talent this company has, and consistently getting cheers from a good portion of the audiences (when the crowd actually cares) There absolutely HAS to be some truth to the idea that Vince doesn't like Cesaro. It HAS to be more than just him not having as much charisma as Ambrose or Rollins or whoever. (And even that is stretching because the WWE has never even given Cesaro a chance to get rolling with any character so how do we even know?) and they've pushed/are pushing other guys who are on the same level of mic work that Cesaro is. I'm pretty sure Tyson Kidd has more wins on "main roster" TV in the last 6 months than Cesaro does. - He's won way more than 4 matches since WrestleMania - While being a Heyman guy, he couldn't figure anything out. He came out one week with a robe, then would have a jacket the next week. He would be the King of Swing, then stop doing the swing. He would walk with chest puffed out randomly even. Some of that is WWE, but a lot of it is Cesaro not knowing what to do with himself - He was in Money in the Bank. Dean Ambrose wasn't. Seth Rollins hasn't gotten a shot either. - Correct. This is totally the WWE's fault. Stupid to turn him face at Mania, just to turn him heel the night after. - Correct again. He has lost several title shots to both Sheamus and Dolph Ziggler. - The theme is inconsistent like his character. I don't think that has to do with Vince "having it out for him" - Yes he is being used that way. Partially because he is the guy who can't get it done. A big part of it is the WWE's booking of him, but another big part of it is the fact that outside of the ring, he is cringeworthy to watch. Again, this is all coming from someone who has been a Claudio Castagnoli fan since 2007. He's not the best pure in-ring talent the WWE has, as I would rank Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn and Seth Rollins ahead of him. There probably is some truth to Vince McMahon not being high on Cesaro, but it's far from a guarantee and it might not be from some personal issue. He just might not see everything in Cesaro that others do. Also, before NXT this week, Tyson Kidd had indeed won about six straight matches. He's also been on every Raw, Main Event, NXT and Smackdown for the past two or three weeks and has consistently shown more personality and been more entertaining than Cesaro ever has been.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 15, 2014 21:54:25 GMT -5
- Because since Wrestlemania Cesaro has won about 4 matches - Has never been given any direction, purpose or character outside of "a Heyman guy" - never gotten a wwe title shot or been even close to it outside of Chamber this year - turned face, then heel almost immediately with zero purpose - has literally JOBBED out to every mid card champion of the past 3 months - theme changed about 4 times since Wrestlemania - is being used as the "guy who can't get it done"....like he comes out on Smackdown and says he deserves to be on Team Authority and he'll prove - it....then he goes and loses to Ryback all this despite being the best pure in-ring talent this company has, and consistently getting cheers from a good portion of the audiences (when the crowd actually cares) There absolutely HAS to be some truth to the idea that Vince doesn't like Cesaro. It HAS to be more than just him not having as much charisma as Ambrose or Rollins or whoever. (And even that is stretching because the WWE has never even given Cesaro a chance to get rolling with any character so how do we even know?) and they've pushed/are pushing other guys who are on the same level of mic work that Cesaro is. I'm pretty sure Tyson Kidd has more wins on "main roster" TV in the last 6 months than Cesaro does. Oh, I know what it is. Vince is never a fan of Ring of Honor. Could that be it? If that was the case, he wouldn't give Ring of Honor the publicity that he did on CM Punk's DVD and during the Matt Hardy saga of 2005. Also, CM Punk and Daniel Bryan wouldn't have been WWE Champions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 22:07:35 GMT -5
Why does everyone seem to think Vince is not high on Cesaro? - Because since Wrestlemania Cesaro has won about 4 matches - Has never been given any direction, purpose or character outside of "a Heyman guy" - never gotten a wwe title shot or been even close to it outside of Chamber this year - turned face, then heel almost immediately with zero purpose - has literally JOBBED out to every mid card champion of the past 3 months - theme changed about 4 times since Wrestlemania - is being used as the "guy who can't get it done"....like he comes out on Smackdown and says he deserves to be on Team Authority and he'll prove - it....then he goes and loses to Ryback all this despite being the best pure in-ring talent this company has, and consistently getting cheers from a good portion of the audiences (when the crowd actually cares) There absolutely HAS to be some truth to the idea that Vince doesn't like Cesaro. It HAS to be more than just him not having as much charisma as Ambrose or Rollins or whoever. (And even that is stretching because the WWE has never even given Cesaro a chance to get rolling with any character so how do we even know?) and they've pushed/are pushing other guys who are on the same level of mic work that Cesaro is. I'm pretty sure Tyson Kidd has more wins on "main roster" TV in the last 6 months than Cesaro does. Or...Cesaro having no charisma or personality has something to do with it. Cesaro is fantastic in the ring, but he doesn't connect with the crowd like you think he does.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 22:08:26 GMT -5
- Because since Wrestlemania Cesaro has won about 4 matches - Has never been given any direction, purpose or character outside of "a Heyman guy" - never gotten a wwe title shot or been even close to it outside of Chamber this year - turned face, then heel almost immediately with zero purpose - has literally JOBBED out to every mid card champion of the past 3 months - theme changed about 4 times since Wrestlemania - is being used as the "guy who can't get it done"....like he comes out on Smackdown and says he deserves to be on Team Authority and he'll prove - it....then he goes and loses to Ryback all this despite being the best pure in-ring talent this company has, and consistently getting cheers from a good portion of the audiences (when the crowd actually cares) There absolutely HAS to be some truth to the idea that Vince doesn't like Cesaro. It HAS to be more than just him not having as much charisma as Ambrose or Rollins or whoever. (And even that is stretching because the WWE has never even given Cesaro a chance to get rolling with any character so how do we even know?) and they've pushed/are pushing other guys who are on the same level of mic work that Cesaro is. I'm pretty sure Tyson Kidd has more wins on "main roster" TV in the last 6 months than Cesaro does. Oh, I know what it is. Vince is never a fan of Ring of Honor. Could that be it? If that were true, Punk and Bryan would have never been champion. Not to mention giving ROH free press during the Matt Hardy/Edge feud years ago.
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Post by Word™ on Nov 15, 2014 22:09:09 GMT -5
Tamina is the rocks cousin, she's not going anywhere. Otunga is very useful backstage and for press. Just because he isn't on screen doesn't mean he isn't doing anything. Fox isn't going anywhere and Maddox isn't even released. He's been alumni for months. Tell that to Yokozuna, Manu, Umaga, Rosey and all the other cousins of The Rock that have been released It might be to late...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 22:55:10 GMT -5
I'm getting MAJOR Deja Vu with this topic. I could have sworn there was an argument similar to this a few months ago.
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