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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 1, 2014 14:32:28 GMT -5
It's very possible, I'll check it out later. Also, I'm not trying to start anything when I post these things. I just know that you're a bit of a biased party in this since Punk called out Ryback and you love him. Yeah but I also am looking at it from punks side too. He had several very valid points. And espeically this MRSA thing That is nothing to  with, and if I know this WWE docs def do too. But He was in the wrong by calling anyone out by name and slandering them Idc what they did to him, heat of the moment or not he shouldve chose his words more carefully when addressing specific people. Sometimes I don't think he realizes how many people take every word he says very literally even when he's just belligerently trash talking. Now suddenly my favorite wrestler has reportedly lost faith from creative yet again and a planned big time match with HHH has been scrapped. And I ing know it's not because of his match with Cesaro. There was nothing wrong with that match. While I've made it clear that I'm not a fan of Ryback, I agree that Punk shouldn't have called him out like that. I even mention it in my blog post on the Punk stuff, which you can check out, RIGHT HERE, under my sig. (Cheap plug) |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 1, 2014 14:40:57 GMT -5
I would agree....however Rock didn't want another "run"... because after winning the belt he only wrestled 1 match in between Rumble & Mania. That's not a run by any stretch. I don't even remember him appearing on RAW more than once or twice during that time too. I still felt like the WWE should have gone the 'Taker/Cena route. They could have EASILY sold Wrestlemania on that match considering it was the biggest opponent (besides Lesnar) for Undertaker to face. Then you have Rock vs Punk for the title, built up as a legitimate big match...Rock goes over winning the belt for the final time and retires the next night on RAW giving up the title to set up a tournament over the next few months...which builds excitement for the new champion. If not that, because people think that no one would have bought WM for Punk/Rock then you have Rock beat Punk at Rumble as he did....drop the title to Cena at the next PPV and Punk vs Cena becomes the 'Mania main event and you get Rock going up against 'Taker. Or you go the triple threat route with Rock taking the title for his send-off and retiring the next night same as I said before. Listen this is WRESTLING. There are a million ways to do things. People were going to buy Wrestlemania regardless. Rock/Cena II sucked hard. So what's better? A match that doesnt APPEAR "as big" but delievrs 5-star memorable quality? or a match that is over-sold as the biggest re-match ever but is at best a 2 star semi-event with CenawinsLOL. In the end it's all about the builds. The WWE HAS THE ABILITY to sell anything they want. They could have made it work. But they didnt/dont care about that. It's all about what's easy and what big name from the past can they throw in a main event at Wrestlemania. I'm really just saying Punk has the right to be pissed off he never got that spot. As much of a right as every other superstar in history that cared as much as he did. Considering the WWE had a chance to make him Top Face 1a. and completely botched it up,yet he still maintained. Punk was the kind of guy that could sell tickets and DID. Just because YOU (internet fan ______) don't like him doesn't mean that isn't true. I see your points but I'm not sure any of them would have worked. Cena has to get the rub over Rock - to do anything else would just be silly, and an open admission that WWE is cr*p compared to what it used to be, which they obviously don't want to do - which rules out most of them. Punk-Rock at WM could work if it wasn't for that, but Cena-'Taker and Punk-Rock are both matches that should be going on last really. I still think the triple threat, with Cena going over clean, was the way forward. I'd then build to Cena-UT for the title at WM 30, have UT win and then leave the title for a tournament (which would be better than Rock doing it as UT was still a WWE wrestler and not a returning guy; the only inference from the match is that UT can't be beaten at WM by anyone), which Bryan then wins. Bravo again. The best thing here is that WrestleMania is going to sell regardless. CM Punk was a proven commodity who could headline WrestleMania and it would still make a ton of money. Look at this year with Randy Orton and Daniel Bryan headlining. It still made over a billion dollars for New Orleans.Excuse me if I'm misreading the tone of your comment, but it sounds like you're either implying through the use of the word 'still' that either Bryan and Orton weren't proven commodities, or that Punk was bigger than both of them. Either way, I don't see that as remotely true. Bryan between SummerSlam-WrestleMania was more over than Punk has ever been (even in 2011), and Orton is definitely a bigger name than Punk. Orton is arguably one of the very few stars to have broken the mainstream, something Punk hasn't really come close to doing - or at the very least, the RKO has broken into the mainstream, whereas Punk isn't really known by non-wrestling fans. Certainly no one I know who doesn't watch WWE would know who he is, but everyone knows what an RKO is and they joke about it a lot after the vines went viral (and sometimes even before that). I do feel that Punk was bigger than both. Randy Orton never outsold Cena shirts or did the PPV buys that Punk would pull unless he was partnered against HHH or Cena. Bryan was red hot, I'll give you that, but in 2011 Punk was bigger. Maybe not more over with the fans, but Punk was wanted by countless media outlets and was the talk of wrestling for the year. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 14:43:23 GMT -5
Orton has done so much but when you actually look back at his career it's just....meh.
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Post by Chip on Dec 1, 2014 14:56:54 GMT -5
Orton has done so much but when you actually look back at his career it's just....meh. This. And Orton has main evented multiple Wrestlemanias. Orton has been handed the keys to the car MANY times. Orton is what CM Punk should have become. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 15:01:47 GMT -5
Orton has done so much but when you actually look back at his career it's just....meh. This. And Orton has main evented multiple Wrestlemanias. Orton has been handed the keys to the car MANY times. Orton is what CM Punk should have become. I agree. Orton has achieved so much..It's weird to actually think about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 16:11:11 GMT -5
What I liked most of this is that it sounds like Punk and Big Dave are pretty tight.
Won't happen but I'd love if his friendship with Batista and Rooker got him a very small role in Guardians II.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 17:26:35 GMT -5
The reason Vince gives for punk. Not being able to walk Chael sonnen. is bullshit.Vince was die in a UFC fight.Die like Owen Hart? How About all the other wrestlers that have died prematurely?Macho Man,Rick Rude,Crash Holly,Test,Yokozuna,Umaga,Big Boss Mann,The Britsh Bulldog,Mr Perfect,Ms Elizabeth,Earthquake.
And not forget the most recent and notable death of Ultimate Warrior. Most of these people died form Drug overdoses or Heart attacks.The overdoses are likely do to wrestling with injury and pain. Heart attacks for these folks at a young age should tell. WWE that wrestling for such a long periods with such little time to recover is bad for business.But Vince is worried someone could die in a UFC fight. PFFFHHH!
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 1, 2014 17:48:10 GMT -5
I see your points but I'm not sure any of them would have worked. Cena has to get the rub over Rock - to do anything else would just be silly, and an open admission that WWE is cr*p compared to what it used to be, which they obviously don't want to do - which rules out most of them. Punk-Rock at WM could work if it wasn't for that, but Cena-'Taker and Punk-Rock are both matches that should be going on last really. I still think the triple threat, with Cena going over clean, was the way forward. I'd then build to Cena-UT for the title at WM 30, have UT win and then leave the title for a tournament (which would be better than Rock doing it as UT was still a WWE wrestler and not a returning guy; the only inference from the match is that UT can't be beaten at WM by anyone), which Bryan then wins. Excuse me if I'm misreading the tone of your comment, but it sounds like you're either implying through the use of the word 'still' that either Bryan and Orton weren't proven commodities, or that Punk was bigger than both of them. Either way, I don't see that as remotely true. Bryan between SummerSlam-WrestleMania was more over than Punk has ever been (even in 2011), and Orton is definitely a bigger name than Punk. Orton is arguably one of the very few stars to have broken the mainstream, something Punk hasn't really come close to doing - or at the very least, the RKO has broken into the mainstream, whereas Punk isn't really known by non-wrestling fans. Certainly no one I know who doesn't watch WWE would know who he is, but everyone knows what an RKO is and they joke about it a lot after the vines went viral (and sometimes even before that). I do feel that Punk was bigger than both. Randy Orton never outsold Cena shirts or did the PPV buys that Punk would pull unless he was partnered against HHH or Cena. Bryan was red hot, I'll give you that, but in 2011 Punk was bigger. Maybe not more over with the fans, but Punk was wanted by countless media outlets and was the talk of wrestling for the year. Orton is much more well-known though. Punk excites the fans that are already there but he doesn't really draw new people in, and no one outside of wrestling really knows his name. Nearly everyone plugged into the zeitgeist knows at the very least what the RKO is, whereas, lets be honest, if you go ask random people who CM Punk is they probably won't know. Punk is more popular among hardcore/non-casual wrestling fans, but I think Orton is definitely bigger in terms of star power. As for Bryan, when he was hot he was hotter than Punk ever was. The crowds were louder for him than they ever were for Punk. I look at it like this: WWE had plans to make Punk a pretty big but not huge guy, heard the reactions, and went through with it anyway. They then had plans to let Bryan have an average midcard WM match, heard his reactions, and changed it to him winning the title in the main event of one of the biggest WrestleManias in history. I know Punk was super over, but if he was as over as Bryan then WWE would've been forced to change their plans like they did for Bryan. Instead, Bryan's WM 30 moment is already more memorable than anything in Punk's career (even the pipe bomb), and if he can come back from his injury and show the higher ups he can still go I'm sure he'll be able to have plenty more memorable moments. As for the media thing, whilst Punk did do Jimmy Kimmel and a few other things, Bryan has had his own stuff. The YES! chant was done at a bunch of sports games, and that video of how he was so nice to that young kid with a terminal illness before he died went viral. I don't think Bryan is necessarily bigger in that respect, but I don't think he's smaller either, so I'm using popularity among more hardcore fans as a tiebreak in this case (one that I think Bryan wins). And before anyone says it, I don't believe that WWE changed their plans for Bryan solely/mainly because Punk left, thereby leaving a void (that would have otherwise meant that Bryan didn't win the title). They would have probably just forgone the opening Bryan-HHH match for Bryan-Punk and inserted Bryan into the main event earlier rather than on the night, so his 'moment' wasn't just because Punk left. |
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Post by El Armbar on Dec 2, 2014 3:29:45 GMT -5
I can't believe it took me this long to realize the timing of the CM Punk AOW podcast was a calculated move to overshadow the Austin/McMahon live podcast. And that irks me because Punk & Cabana had an agenda besides telling Phil's story in a safe environment. It just makes them seem disingenuous. Punk's decision to speak on his friend's podcast only benefited Colt Cabana's show. I'm not sure what Punk gained -besides plugging his new t-shirt store- but I don't blame them for trying to expand the AOW's audience beyond hardcore wrestling fans. I would guess that Colt has to be a little irritated that all these wrestlers started their own podcasts after he'd been doing it for a few years; and IMO there are a few podcasts that are a lot better than Colt's.
Despite a few moments of bitterness, Punk's story was very interesting. But I don't completely understand Punk's motivation to speak out. He brought more listeners to AOW, plugged his new t-shirts and one upped the WWE Network. I'm not naive enough to believe he did it for his dedicated fans.
Is he trying to keep his name in the public eye? He's made a few TV appearances (Talking Dead, Nerdist etc.) but maybe he's finding out WWE name recognition doesn't mean that much outside of sports entertainment. Austin, Jericho and Batista all said it was difficult to be taken seriously after WWE.
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Post by rustyy on Dec 2, 2014 3:33:55 GMT -5
I can't believe it took me this long to realize the timing of the CM Punk AOW podcast was a calculated move to overshadow the Austin/McMahon live podcast. And that irks me because Punk & Cabana had an agenda besides telling Phil's story in a safe environment. It just makes them seem disingenuous. Punk's decision to speak on his friend's podcast only benefited Colt Cabana's show. I'm not sure what Punk gained -besides plugging his new t-shirt store- but I don't blame them for trying to expand the AOW's audience beyond hardcore wrestling fans. I would guess that Colt has to be a little irritated that all these wrestlers started their own podcasts after he'd been doing it for a few years; and IMO there are a few podcasts that are a lot better than Colt's. Despite a few moments of bitterness, Punk's story was very interesting. But I don't completely understand Punk's motivation to speak out. He brought more listeners to AOW, plugged his new t-shirts and one upped the WWE Network. I'm not naive enough to believe he did it for his dedicated fans. Is he trying to keep his name in the public eye? He's made a few TV appearances (Talking Dead, Nerdist etc.) but maybe he's finding out WWE name recognition doesn't mean that much outside of sports entertainment. Austin, Jericho and Batista all said it was difficult to be taken seriously after WWE. I think he just wants to move on, and actually be able to tweet and walk down the street without people asking "WHY DID YOU WALK OUT!?!?!". He's got plenty of money and hates people so I don't think fame means much to him. |
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Post by Brad on Dec 2, 2014 8:22:12 GMT -5
I can't believe it took me this long to realize the timing of the CM Punk AOW podcast was a calculated move to overshadow the Austin/McMahon live podcast. And that irks me because Punk & Cabana had an agenda besides telling Phil's story in a safe environment. It just makes them seem disingenuous. Punk's decision to speak on his friend's podcast only benefited Colt Cabana's show. I'm not sure what Punk gained -besides plugging his new t-shirt store- but I don't blame them for trying to expand the AOW's audience beyond hardcore wrestling fans. I would guess that Colt has to be a little irritated that all these wrestlers started their own podcasts after he'd been doing it for a few years; and IMO there are a few podcasts that are a lot better than Colt's. Despite a few moments of bitterness, Punk's story was very interesting. But I don't completely understand Punk's motivation to speak out. He brought more listeners to AOW, plugged his new t-shirts and one upped the WWE Network. I'm not naive enough to believe he did it for his dedicated fans. Is he trying to keep his name in the public eye? He's made a few TV appearances (Talking Dead, Nerdist etc.) but maybe he's finding out WWE name recognition doesn't mean that much outside of sports entertainment. Austin, Jericho and Batista all said it was difficult to be taken seriously after WWE. I think he just wants to move on, and actually be able to tweet and walk down the street without people asking "WHY DID YOU WALK OUT!?!?!". He's got plenty of money and hates people so I don't think fame means much to him. I would agree with this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 11:06:18 GMT -5
When is the part 2 Q&A with Punk scheduled to release?
I think Colt's podcast site blew up or something. I can't even access it anymore.
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Post by El Armbar on Dec 2, 2014 13:14:07 GMT -5
I can't believe it took me this long to realize the timing of the CM Punk AOW podcast was a calculated move to overshadow the Austin/McMahon live podcast. And that irks me because Punk & Cabana had an agenda besides telling Phil's story in a safe environment. It just makes them seem disingenuous. Punk's decision to speak on his friend's podcast only benefited Colt Cabana's show. I'm not sure what Punk gained -besides plugging his new t-shirt store- but I don't blame them for trying to expand the AOW's audience beyond hardcore wrestling fans. I would guess that Colt has to be a little irritated that all these wrestlers started their own podcasts after he'd been doing it for a few years; and IMO there are a few podcasts that are a lot better than Colt's. Despite a few moments of bitterness, Punk's story was very interesting. But I don't completely understand Punk's motivation to speak out. He brought more listeners to AOW, plugged his new t-shirts and one upped the WWE Network. I'm not naive enough to believe he did it for his dedicated fans. Is he trying to keep his name in the public eye? He's made a few TV appearances (Talking Dead, Nerdist etc.) but maybe he's finding out WWE name recognition doesn't mean that much outside of sports entertainment. Austin, Jericho and Batista all said it was difficult to be taken seriously after WWE. I think he just wants to move on, and actually be able to tweet and walk down the street without people asking "WHY DID YOU WALK OUT!?!?!". He's got plenty of money and hates people so I don't think fame means much to him. Now people will ask him "WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK?" |
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Post by rustyy on Dec 2, 2014 13:57:23 GMT -5
I think he just wants to move on, and actually be able to tweet and walk down the street without people asking "WHY DID YOU WALK OUT!?!?!". He's got plenty of money and hates people so I don't think fame means much to him. Now people will ask him "WHEN ARE YOU COMING BACK?" And he answered that, never. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Dec 2, 2014 14:39:58 GMT -5
When is the part 2 Q&A with Punk scheduled to release? I think Colt's podcast site blew up or something. I can't even access it anymore. They are released every Thursday on itunes and youtube. I had to watch the Punk podcast on youtube, because the podcast on itunes said it was unavailable. Which makes me think WWE had it taken down. I still can't download it |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 2, 2014 14:43:00 GMT -5
When is the part 2 Q&A with Punk scheduled to release? I think Colt's podcast site blew up or something. I can't even access it anymore. They are released every Thursday on itunes and youtube. I had to watch the Punk podcast on youtube, because the podcast on itunes said it was unavailable. Which makes me think WWE had it taken down. I still can't download it There's been an issue downloading Art of Wrestling since the Punk one went up. I doubt it was taken down. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Dec 2, 2014 14:46:15 GMT -5
They are released every Thursday on itunes and youtube. I had to watch the Punk podcast on youtube, because the podcast on itunes said it was unavailable. Which makes me think WWE had it taken down. I still can't download it There's been an issue downloading Art of Wrestling since the Punk one went up. I doubt it was taken down. I've never had an issue downloading a AOW podcast from itunes. I click download, and it says " Error.Tap to try again" the after doing this for about 5 minutes, it displays a message that says " AOW Episode 226 is currently unavailable". I think either the download rate crashed the server ( highly doubtful) or it was removed, which makes more sence. |
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 2, 2014 14:47:45 GMT -5
There's been an issue downloading Art of Wrestling since the Punk one went up. I doubt it was taken down. I've never had an issue downloading a AOW podcast from itunes. I click download, and it says " Error.Tap to try again" the after doing this for about 5 minutes, it displays a message that says " AOW Episode 226 is currently unavailable". I think either the download rate crashed the server ( highly doubtful) or it was removed, which makes more sence. Hmm. I never had an issue either until this. I can't even get old podcasts, like the Nicole Matthews one from a few weeks ago. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Dec 2, 2014 14:49:54 GMT -5
I've never had an issue downloading a AOW podcast from itunes. I click download, and it says " Error.Tap to try again" the after doing this for about 5 minutes, it displays a message that says " AOW Episode 226 is currently unavailable". I think either the download rate crashed the server ( highly doubtful) or it was removed, which makes more sence. Hmm. I never had an issue either until this. I can't even get old podcasts, like the Nicole Matthews one from a few weeks ago. Thats a good episode. Its nice to hear a womans perspective on a sport dominated by Men. Its funny, she starts talking about cleanliness, and Colt says his gym bag smell's like Shit, and she cut him off and said mine is mich worse... We have periods! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2014 17:06:36 GMT -5
When is the part 2 Q&A with Punk scheduled to release? I think Colt's podcast site blew up or something. I can't even access it anymore. They are released every Thursday on itunes and youtube. I had to watch the Punk podcast on youtube, because the podcast on itunes said it was unavailable. Which makes me think WWE had it taken down. I still can't download it Okay thanks. I had to watch it on YouTube as well. |
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