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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 14, 2014 0:00:54 GMT -5
I didn't get to see this when it was live because of having a class, but I did get to see most of the show and it really has been amazing thus far. Only haven't seen the main event and divas match, but I'm planning on skipping that anyway because I just can't stand Sasha Banks. Kevin Owens debut was damn amazing. I also have to say I've finally been impressed with CJ Parker as well. For some reason I think this guys should be in a tag team with Bo Dallas. The tag match was fun. I used to be a huge Hunico fan, but lately he seems to just be going through the motions right now. Kallisto is great though. So much energy and so much fun to watch. If they play their cards right they could have another Rey Mysterio here. Okay, maybe not quite that big, but still. Baron Corbin is still goofy looking and bad. His finisher is still a complete shot. Thankfully it was just a squash match and didn't last long. I hope Bull beats him silly when they face off. Okay, while I can't say that I'm impressed much with the Ascensions' acting and wrestling ability (Viktor is about as average as average gets and Konnor is clumsy, but seems able to play his character well), but their entrance was really cool. This is the first time I've been entertained by Itami since his debut, but he still needs some work. Finn Balor on the other hand... Holy crap. That paint, that entrance... What is it with these Irish guys being amazing? First Sheamus, now Balor? lol. I really do think that this guy's going to be a big star. Coolest face paint I've ever seen in WWE. He hasn't had much competition; I mean, the last guy to really use close that much paint was Jeff Hardy and it looked terrible, but this just looked...well, great. Someone mentioned that his entrance at his first Wrestlemania could be something really special and I have to agree. And that's as far as I got. Still have the main event to go. On a side note, I'm so glad I don't have to listen to Renee Young on commentary tonight. I could do without A-Ry too, but Renee is far worse. I actually wouldn't mind if the team went down to just Rich Brennan and Corey Graves. They both seem to work well together. Ok Im not trying to start something,I dont hate the guy or nutting but Sheamus and amazing shouldnt be used together
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 14, 2014 0:24:57 GMT -5
I dunno if this has been addressed but what the hell does this have to do with NXT? I'm so confused.
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Post by Weemanv1 on Dec 14, 2014 1:06:33 GMT -5
I didn't get to see this when it was live because of having a class, but I did get to see most of the show and it really has been amazing thus far. Only haven't seen the main event and divas match, but I'm planning on skipping that anyway because I just can't stand Sasha Banks. Kevin Owens debut was damn amazing. I also have to say I've finally been impressed with CJ Parker as well. For some reason I think this guys should be in a tag team with Bo Dallas. The tag match was fun. I used to be a huge Hunico fan, but lately he seems to just be going through the motions right now. Kallisto is great though. So much energy and so much fun to watch. If they play their cards right they could have another Rey Mysterio here. Okay, maybe not quite that big, but still. Baron Corbin is still goofy looking and bad. His finisher is still a complete shot. Thankfully it was just a squash match and didn't last long. I hope Bull beats him silly when they face off. Okay, while I can't say that I'm impressed much with the Ascensions' acting and wrestling ability (Viktor is about as average as average gets and Konnor is clumsy, but seems able to play his character well), but their entrance was really cool. This is the first time I've been entertained by Itami since his debut, but he still needs some work. Finn Balor on the other hand... Holy crap. That paint, that entrance... What is it with these Irish guys being amazing? First Sheamus, now Balor? lol. I really do think that this guy's going to be a big star. Coolest face paint I've ever seen in WWE. He hasn't had much competition; I mean, the last guy to really use close that much paint was Jeff Hardy and it looked terrible, but this just looked...well, great. Someone mentioned that his entrance at his first Wrestlemania could be something really special and I have to agree. And that's as far as I got. Still have the main event to go. On a side note, I'm so glad I don't have to listen to Renee Young on commentary tonight. I could do without A-Ry too, but Renee is far worse. I actually wouldn't mind if the team went down to just Rich Brennan and Corey Graves. They both seem to work well together. Ok Im not trying to start something,I dont hate the guy or nutting but Sheamus and amazing shouldnt be used together You're right, I just couldn't think of a word that meant greater than amazing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 6:41:18 GMT -5
. Finn Balor on the other hand... Holy crap. That paint, that entrance... What is it with these Irish guys being amazing? First Sheamus, now Balor? lol. I really do think that this guy's going to be a big star. Coolest face paint I've ever seen in WWE. He hasn't had much competition; I mean, the last guy to really use close that much paint was Jeff Hardy and it looked terrible, but this just looked...well, great. Someone mentioned that his entrance at his first Wrestlemania could be something really special and I have to agree. . Brilliant......
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 6:43:24 GMT -5
I didn't get to see this when it was live because of having a class, but I did get to see most of the show and it really has been amazing thus far. Only haven't seen the main event and divas match, but I'm planning on skipping that anyway because I just can't stand Sasha Banks. Kevin Owens debut was damn amazing. I also have to say I've finally been impressed with CJ Parker as well. For some reason I think this guys should be in a tag team with Bo Dallas. The tag match was fun. I used to be a huge Hunico fan, but lately he seems to just be going through the motions right now. Kallisto is great though. So much energy and so much fun to watch. If they play their cards right they could have another Rey Mysterio here. Okay, maybe not quite that big, but still. Baron Corbin is still goofy looking and bad. His finisher is still a complete shot. Thankfully it was just a squash match and didn't last long. I hope Bull beats him silly when they face off. Okay, while I can't say that I'm impressed much with the Ascensions' acting and wrestling ability (Viktor is about as average as average gets and Konnor is clumsy, but seems able to play his character well), but their entrance was really cool. This is the first time I've been entertained by Itami since his debut, but he still needs some work. Finn Balor on the other hand... Holy crap. That paint, that entrance... What is it with these Irish guys being amazing? First Sheamus, now Balor? lol. I really do think that this guy's going to be a big star. Coolest face paint I've ever seen in WWE. He hasn't had much competition; I mean, the last guy to really use close that much paint was Jeff Hardy and it looked terrible, but this just looked...well, great. Someone mentioned that his entrance at his first Wrestlemania could be something really special and I have to agree. And that's as far as I got. Still have the main event to go. On a side note, I'm so glad I don't have to listen to Renee Young on commentary tonight. I could do without A-Ry too, but Renee is far worse. I actually wouldn't mind if the team went down to just Rich Brennan and Corey Graves. They both seem to work well together. Ok Im not trying to start something,I dont hate the guy or nutting but Sheamus and amazing shouldnt be used together I agree 100% man. Amazing doesn't even come close to describing the brilliance of Sheamus in ring. Style, timing, pace selling, awareness and huge impact stuff. Amazing just doesn't cut it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 9:37:46 GMT -5
Holy balls this show is awesome! Staying away from spoilers was a challenge (made a few posts in the official thread, but stayed away from results). That divas match was great and it's my third favourite divas match from these specials but I just wasn't into it as much as Paige vs Emma as I had no idea who'd actually win that one. Still not a fan of Charlotte. Kevin bloody Owens. That's all. Kalisto is just not human, I have no idea how he pulls this stuff off. Baron Corbin.....is boring. Good look and entrance but meh. Finn Balór's entrance is the shit! Dude should be huge on the main roster, if they don't him up like they've done with pretty much every call up not from The Shield. Itami is improving a lot too, another year in Developmental and he'll be ready. Maybe not even that long. The main event.........wow, just wow. That's what Pro Wrestling is about. TLC crew......good luck, you're gonna need it.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 14, 2014 10:17:14 GMT -5
Ok Im not trying to start something,I dont hate the guy or nutting but Sheamus and amazing shouldnt be used together I agree 100% man. Amazing doesn't even come close to describing the brilliance of Sheamus in ring. Style, timing, pace selling, awareness and huge impact stuff. Amazing just doesn't cut it. I'm with you. I love Sheamus' in ring work. I think he's pretty bland as a face and would make a brilliant heel, but regardless, the man can flat out go in the ring. His hard hitting style is one of my favorite things to watch.
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Post by tarver89 on Dec 14, 2014 11:28:02 GMT -5
I agree 100% man. Amazing doesn't even come close to describing the brilliance of Sheamus in ring. Style, timing, pace selling, awareness and huge impact stuff. Amazing just doesn't cut it. I'm with you. I love Sheamus' in ring work. I think he's pretty bland as a face and would make a brilliant heel, but regardless, the man can flat out go in the ring. His hard hitting style is one of my favorite things to watch. I think Sheamus proved he was really great as heel in his first feud with Cena in 2009 when he won the title at TLC. That was badass.
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Post by Midnight on Dec 14, 2014 12:29:58 GMT -5
Yeah NXT Takeover III was an incredible show, it had great storytelling, great wrestling, and great entertainment. The "main" rosters stars and Vince better take note of what a promotion with half the money that they spend on RAW and Smackdown can do.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 14, 2014 13:27:15 GMT -5
One of the biggest reasons why TLC won't surpass TakeOver: R Evolution is that even if the main roster guys put on great matches up and down the card, it won't be as satisfying. What I mean, is that TakeOver featured the culmination of well built storylines over the past few months, while a lot of TLC is just either thrown together or has only been built for a few weeks. NXT always seems to book with what's next in mind. Hideo Itami gets attacked by the Ascension in his debut and it wasn't random. It led to the debut of Finn Balor and their awesome tag match at TakeOver. The main roster killed the Authority angle and had no clue what was next. Things like that is what helps NXT surpass the main roster.
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Post by Chief on Dec 14, 2014 16:10:36 GMT -5
I loved the show but I think the problem lies in what would happen if that show was in another building in front of another crowd. That NXT crowd is amazing but I don't think it would translate well into a 10,000 + seat arena with different fans each week.
Zayn vs. Neville is definitely in my top 5 matches of the year.
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Post by Himmy! on Dec 14, 2014 16:14:25 GMT -5
It was a fantastic show, no doubt!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 16:21:57 GMT -5
I loved the show but I think the problem lies in what would happen if that show was in another building in front of another crowd. That NXT crowd is amazing but I don't think it would translate well into a 10,000 + seat arena with different fans each week. Zayn vs. Neville is definitely in my top 5 matches of the year. Exactly. That show in front of those "smart marks" was received well. The question still remains: Will these guys be as over, without the "smart mark" crowd?
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Post by tarver89 on Dec 14, 2014 16:22:45 GMT -5
One of the biggest reasons why TLC won't surpass TakeOver: R Evolution is that even if the main roster guys put on great matches up and down the card, it won't be as satisfying. What I mean, is that TakeOver featured the culmination of well built storylines over the past few months, while a lot of TLC is just either thrown together or has only been built for a few weeks. NXT always seems to book with what's next in mind. Hideo Itami gets attacked by the Ascension in his debut and it wasn't random. It led to the debut of Finn Balor and their awesome tag match at TakeOver. The main roster killed the Authority angle and had no clue what was next. Things like that is what helps NXT surpass the main roster. That's what makes NXT better than Raw (and the main roster's shows) from a lot of time. Details, programming for the future and a sense in the storylines. A storyline booked perfectly like the Zayn's one is a dream in the main roster now.
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Post by Chief on Dec 14, 2014 16:37:42 GMT -5
I loved the show but I think the problem lies in what would happen if that show was in another building in front of another crowd. That NXT crowd is amazing but I don't think it would translate well into a 10,000 + seat arena with different fans each week. Zayn vs. Neville is definitely in my top 5 matches of the year. Exactly. That show in front of those "smart marks" was received well. The question still remains: Will these guys be as over, without the "smart mark" crowd? Couldn't agree more. It's "easier" to get a crowd invested in you when they see you perform every week and see you grow throughout the ranks. However, when they move up to RAW, they have to worry about trying to get the casual fan and the parents just tagging along with their kid to get invested in them. Throw in a crowd ten to twenty times the size and who knows what you'll get. The NXT crowd is a wrestling crowd. Your average WWE crowd is mostly what I refer to as a sports entertainment crowd. Completely different beasts. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from NXT. This show was amazing, one of the best of the year. But the feeling I got after this show is the same feeling I've gotten after all the NXT specials this year. They are all awesome wrestling shows. And a very interesting point that Dave Meltzer brought up on one of this Wrestling Observer podcasts about this show is that it's easy to have a good show when you aren't worried about making money. Take away drawing a big crowd or selling merchandise or TV ratings and you can have a great show just by matching up great wrestlers. That's a luxury NXT has that mainstream WWE does not. EDIT: Sheamus and amazing go together quite well. The man is a wonderful pro wrestler.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Dec 14, 2014 17:07:42 GMT -5
I think that point of "how would this be in front of a 10,000+ crowd" negates the purpose of it. It's a show to try and get people used to seeing these talents, like when they have them in the new WWE game or a match here or there on Raw.
I think the problem isn't would it work, its if WWE would let it work on those shows. Will they let these guys come in and not be as popular as they guys they want popular. Like sliding Reigns into the special, more than likely knowing he would get booed. They want guys they pick to be who's on top. It's not like some of these guys haven't wrestling before larger crowds.
People forget that people do watch WWE for wrestling. How quiet are the crowds during certain segments and how much do they boo when you have the Kathie Lee and Hoda on? I think the crowds would be into it if they let these people do what they do well, wrestle. No one gets into wrestling to hear 10 minute long speeches on the drama in the Bella family.
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Post by PJ on Dec 14, 2014 20:08:12 GMT -5
I really enjoyed the main event. Nothing there to complain about or doubt, but that was about it.
Kevin Owens that was the first time I ever saw him, but for someone doing it for 13/14 years I expected more. Some stuff he did was pretty cool for a guy his size, but most was pretty average. I wasn't really wowed. Basically there was nothing he did that made me not want to wait to watch him again.
The Vaudevillians or whatever they were called. I liked the black and white entrance, but that gimmick was pretty lame and will not work in the WWE. (although who knows seeing there's people who enjoy Rose and now a Bunny.) lol
Ascension - They were solid and might work on the main roster. But I doubt they will ever rise above mid-carders or henchmen.
Finn Balor - he looked cool and was very good in the ring. But personally a guy dancing his way to the ring isn't something I want to see. (I felt like I should be watching the Nutcracker) And honestly that entrance will never work in the WWE with the distance between the stage and the ring. But he was very entertaining and promising for the future.
Charlotte it's the same thing I said about her on RAW. The talent is there, but as a character she lost me when she says it's not about her father it's about her then proceeds to wooo! her way to the ring use Ric's moves and cut promos using his catchphrases. Maybe if she was a heel that could work, but not as a face. Because every time she uses his moves and catchphrases I think Ric. The match was probably the best divas match I've watched in ages.
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