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FCW > NXT?
Dec 17, 2014 21:27:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 21:27:47 GMT -5
Your definitely Forgetting a lot of people Lets see Antonio Cesaro Derrick Bateman-Who's Now Killing It on TNA as EC3. AJ Lee Kaval aka Low Ki Alex Riley-When He was at His Best Tiffany aka Taryn Terrell Drew McIntyre Serena Sofia Cortez aka Ivelisse Vélez Chris Hero Richie Steamboat Jr DANIEL BRYAN I can go all night Okay. Daniel Bryan had ONE match in FCW. Everyone else I will again state that the NXT are superior too. Some that you mentioned aren't even close to their league. But Daniel Bryan Was apart of FCW for a very short time and this is about who had the best roster. Yeah some of the people I mention may not be better wrestlers then some on NXT.BUT if you take a look at Guys like Derrick Bateman and Husky Harris who had pretty average wrestling but now look at them you see what happens when you get a new look and a character change WWE Could of had EC3. Look at Taryn Terrell 100% diva made who would ever thought Someone like Her could pull off matches with Gail in last man standing matches and ladder matches and her crazy hardcore bumps she takes.Kinda makes you think of what divas like her can really do. WWE had Low Ki at the palm of there hands but due to Terrible booking mostly the Laycool crap hes gone. Being a good wrestler is one thing but having a great character is another.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 17, 2014 21:31:05 GMT -5
There's always a turd in the punchbowl. Tom Prichard is that turd.
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FCW > NXT?
Dec 17, 2014 21:31:20 GMT -5
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Post by theMOESIAH on Dec 17, 2014 21:31:20 GMT -5
Definitely valid points. However I think this is more about whether or not FCW has been more successful in bringing be talent to the main roster thus far and whether it not NXT (and by extension HHH) deserves credit for those new roster additions. NXT has only been around maybe two years, they haven't had time to get a new talent that wasn't in FCW and then debut them on Raw yet. Once Bálor, Zayn, Owens etc. get called up, this conversation will end very quickly. I'm sorry I completely misspoke. The conversation isn't about who's been more successful so far. Tom Pritchard's whole point was that HHH and NXT getting the credit fit the success he feels that he had with FCW.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 17, 2014 21:34:40 GMT -5
Okay. Daniel Bryan had ONE match in FCW. Everyone else I will again state that the NXT are superior too. Some that you mentioned aren't even close to their league. But Daniel Bryan Was apart of FCW for a very short time and this is about who had the best roster. Yeah some of the people I mention may not be better wrestlers then some on NXT.BUT if you take a look at Guys like Derrick Bateman and Husky Harris who had pretty average wrestling but now look at them you see what happens when you get a new look and a character change WWE Could of had EC3. Look at Taryn Terrell 100% diva made who would ever thought Someone like Her could pull off matches with Gail in last man standing matches and ladder matches and her crazy hardcore bumps she takes.Kinda makes you think of what divas like her can really do. WWE had Low Ki at the palm of there hands but due to Terrible booking mostly the Laycool crap hes gone. Being a good wrestler is one thing but having a great character is another. Character vs. Wrestler is all besides the point here. The fact is that the NXT roster is better than the FCW roster. Daniel Bryan (I don't count him as he has just one match there, but you count him), Cesaro, Ambrose, Rollins, McIntyre and Low Ki would be the six top guys. NXT has the NXT Five, Tyler Breeze, Luke Harper, and more. Let's not even get started on the Divas. The current crop of NXT Divas are all superior workers to Tiffany at her best, AJ, Serena and Sofia. And I like Serena, Tiffany and AJ. Riley is non issue because he's lame. Last note, LayCool and Kaval was awesome together.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Dec 17, 2014 21:35:52 GMT -5
Tom Prichards FCW hasn't had near the success that NXT has had. FCW was great but NXT has had nothing but positive and rave reviews since the day it began.
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FCW > NXT?
Dec 17, 2014 21:46:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 21:46:26 GMT -5
But Daniel Bryan Was apart of FCW for a very short time and this is about who had the best roster. Yeah some of the people I mention may not be better wrestlers then some on NXT.BUT if you take a look at Guys like Derrick Bateman and Husky Harris who had pretty average wrestling but now look at them you see what happens when you get a new look and a character change WWE Could of had EC3. Look at Taryn Terrell 100% diva made who would ever thought Someone like Her could pull off matches with Gail in last man standing matches and ladder matches and her crazy hardcore bumps she takes.Kinda makes you think of what divas like her can really do. WWE had Low Ki at the palm of there hands but due to Terrible booking mostly the Laycool crap hes gone. Being a good wrestler is one thing but having a great character is another. Character vs. Wrestler is all besides the point here. The fact is that the NXT roster is better than the FCW roster. Daniel Bryan (I don't count him as he has just one match there, but you count him), Cesaro, Ambrose, Rollins, McIntyre and Low Ki would be the six top guys. NXT has the NXT Five, Tyler Breeze, Luke Harper, and more. Let's not even get started on the Divas. The current crop of NXT Divas are all superior workers to Tiffany at her best, AJ, Serena and Sofia. And I like Serena, Tiffany and AJ. Riley is non issue because he's lame. Last note, LayCool and Kaval was awesome together. Well that's your opinion I personally enjoyed the FCW roster more.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 18, 2014 0:02:37 GMT -5
While it's true that a lot of the young guys thriving on Raw were mostly on NXT... but I think most of the people talking about young stars that are good are literally just talking about the ones on NXT.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Dec 18, 2014 8:57:57 GMT -5
While it's true that a lot of the young guys thriving on Raw were mostly on NXT... but I think most of the people talking about young stars that are good are literally just talking about the ones on NXT. The whole point of this thread is that Tom Pritchard is claiming that NXT is being credited for everyone thriving on Raw but are really FCW guys. I misspoke in my initial posted, but I did clarify later on.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 18, 2014 10:53:08 GMT -5
If I understand this correctly, he's saying the talent on R-Evolution is all talent that came from FCW, which is not true at all. The NXT 5 were all NXT signings. FCW was over at that point. I think maybe Neville was right there on the boarder of being FCW converting to NXT, but Prichard was gone by then anyway. Owens, Balor, Zayn, Itami, those are all HHH guys. Rollins, Ambrose, Reigns, Wyatt, all from the previous era, but Wyatt is also a HHH creation and guy, as it was HHH's idea to build off the Waylon Mercy idea to create Bray Wyatt. I talked to Bray at an FCW show the same week he found out about the Bray Wyatt character, he was still working as Husky Harris on the FCW shows.
I went to FCW shows all the time, and NXT is just on an entirely different level. FCW felt like an Indy show. NXT feels like a WWE branded production. In terms of talent, yes, there was lots of talent that also came from FCW, but most of said talent is on the main roster or is no longer with WWE, Kassius Ohno, Ivalisse Velez, and Richie Steamboat to name a few. Dr. Tom seems like he's trying to take credit for what HHH has done to rebrand the developmental and I don't think anything could be further from the truth.
I mean, if Dr. Tom wants to take credit for the Ascension, right on. Conor has been in developmental about as long as Prichard has been alive, so he can have that one. This seems like mostly just butthurt from him though. I think developmental has done nothing but get progressively better since HHH took over those responsibilities.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 18, 2014 17:48:52 GMT -5
While it's true that a lot of the young guys thriving on Raw were mostly on NXT... but I think most of the people talking about young stars that are good are literally just talking about the ones on NXT. The whole point of this thread is that Tom Pritchard is claiming that NXT is being credited for everyone thriving on Raw but are really FCW guys. I misspoke in my initial posted, but I did clarify later on. But Raw sucks and other than Rollins and, I guess, Reigns, none of the young guys are thriving. Ambrose/Wyatt were the last match on the PPV but neither has any direction.
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Post by bababooey on Dec 18, 2014 17:54:17 GMT -5
OVW produced Cena, Orton, and Batista so I guess OVW was the best out of the three by that logic.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 18, 2014 18:00:15 GMT -5
Didn't FCW kind of just become NXT anyhow??
It would be saying like how NWA became WCW in the late 80s.
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Post by BulletV1 on Dec 18, 2014 18:06:36 GMT -5
OVW produced Cena, Orton, and Batista so I guess OVW was the best out of the three by that logic. Don't forget Lesnar, Ziggler, Burke, Sandow, Benjamin, Dinsmore, Conway, Ken Kennedy, Morrison, JTG, Miz, Rhodes, plus a bunch more
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FCW > NXT?
Dec 18, 2014 18:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by jayrod2009 on Dec 18, 2014 18:40:35 GMT -5
Really Tom? This would be like ROH coming out and saying they taught them everything they know. Its not always where you come from, its what you become. Although guys like Rollins, Cesaro, Bryan, Punk, etc all put on great shows in ROH, at the end if their career, its the WWE highlights most will remember. FCW was fun, it had its ups and down's, but, I'm willing yo bet alot of the NXT call ups would love back in NXT for its new foubd attitude and direction. It had a very indy feel to it. NXT is way better than FCW. Let's not leave OVW out of it either!
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Post by theMOESIAH on Dec 19, 2014 0:31:30 GMT -5
The whole point of this thread is that Tom Pritchard is claiming that NXT is being credited for everyone thriving on Raw but are really FCW guys. I misspoke in my initial posted, but I did clarify later on. But Raw sucks and other than Rollins and, I guess, Reigns, none of the young guys are thriving. Ambrose/Wyatt were the last match on the PPV but neither has any direction. Agreed. Again, I'm only repeating something I heard on a podcast. In my initial post I made it clear that these weren't my words,o just wanted to have a conversation about them. But I will say that, in their defense, the main reason most of the guys aren't thriving is because WWE creative seems to be comprised of 89 people who have never watched a professional wrestling show in their life. It would be saying like how NWA became WCW in the late 80s. ....It didn't. The NWA still exists, it has never stopped existing. If you can call what they do existing.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Dec 19, 2014 4:26:06 GMT -5
Nooooooo nonononono.
NXT is absurdly better than FCW was.
Obviously the recent call ups are FCWers, because NXT has been around for two years and FCW was around for much longer.
NXT is the best thing WWE has done in years and years, FCW sucked. Triple H deserves all the credit in the world for what he's doing.
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Post by AV1 on Dec 19, 2014 4:29:46 GMT -5
I always thought HHH took FCW and made it a lot better with NXT shows and the performance centre, which he deserves a lot of credit for.
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Post by Butchers on Dec 19, 2014 10:09:01 GMT -5
Bray Wyatt had barely started the gimmick in FCW and he was with Eli Cottonwood, so yeah, Triple H can have The Wyatt Family as his creation, just for dumping Cottonwood.
Sounds like Dr. Tom is moaning about nothing. I don't think Triple H has had all the credit for the guys on the main roster now, anyway. The guys around the top of NXT now are his guys and that is what he is getting praise for. A lot of the FCW guys have faded away, whether it be their fault or WWE's for not utilising them properly. When the next crop get the call up, then we'll see who did the best.
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Post by Mr Wrestling Jr. on Dec 20, 2014 3:26:09 GMT -5
FCW was seen by very little people on TV. NXT is seen worldwide. I think they would definitely be ahead of FCW. Guys from NXT make an appearance on RAW and the crowd knows who they are. Before it was like who the is this?
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Post by King Silva on Dec 22, 2014 4:58:50 GMT -5
I used to watch FCW (mainly for the divas) but I've seen a good amount of early Ambrose/Rollins etc matches and I would say that NXT is better for sure.
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