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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 28, 2014 10:38:21 GMT -5
Incredibly true, yet incredibly ironic and shows a complete lack of self-awareness.
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Post by Tyler Black on Dec 28, 2014 11:00:21 GMT -5
Just to poke as many holes in what he said as possible. Randy Savage was a product of his time. What he did worked for his time, but more than likely would not work today. Brian Pilman once wrestled a ing pencil and it's hailed as a great segment. If dean did that today you'd hear "oh god they have him jobbing to a pencil now, he won't win the world title on superstars tomorrow. this company" Seth wanted to take away Cenas #1 contender ship just like how Cena took the authority away from him. Sting was used to remove the authority from power and build to a mania Match with trips but god forbid we have a slow build anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 17:08:25 GMT -5
Just to poke as many holes in what he said as possible. Randy Savage was a product of his time. What he did worked for his time, but more than likely would not work today. Brian Pilman once wrestled a ing pencil and it's hailed as a great segment. If dean did that today you'd hear "oh god they have him jobbing to a pencil now, he won't win the world title on superstars tomorrow. this company" Seth wanted to take away Cenas #1 contender ship just like how Cena took the authority away from him. Sting was used to remove the authority from power and build to a mania Match with trips but god forbid we have a slow build anymore. Man that was an excellent post, friend. Nail right on the head.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Dec 28, 2014 17:18:35 GMT -5
Mark Madden is a talentless hack who ruined every single pro wrestling segment he was involved in. However, he isn't wrong about this. Wrestling personalities are extremely sterilized and uninteresting these days. Yep, but it has less to do with a PG rating than it does with writers not being allowed/being unable to write anything worth a damn. Just to poke as many holes in what he said as possible. Randy Savage was a product of his time. What he did worked for his time, but more than likely would not work today. Brian Pilman once wrestled a ing pencil and it's hailed as a great segment. If dean did that today you'd hear "oh god they have him jobbing to a pencil now, he won't win the world title on superstars tomorrow. this company" Seth wanted to take away Cenas #1 contender ship just like how Cena took the authority away from him. Sting was used to remove the authority from power and build to a mania Match with trips but god forbid we have a slow build anymore. Counterpoint: It's not a "slow build" if there's no building occurring. A slow build is somehow that slowly happens over months. If Sting appears 3 times - at Survivor Series, at Fast Lane to accept a challenge, and at Mania - that's not a slow build, it's just throwing two guys together because they have names.
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Post by RV F'N D on Dec 29, 2014 21:45:38 GMT -5
Now I'm in the minority, but I find Madden to be a hell of a lot more knowledgable about wrestling than people give him credit for. I listen to him almost daily (he's the big sports analyst here in Pittsburgh) and he often has old WCW guys on, Kevin Nash, Ric Flair, Chris Jericho, Dusty Rhodes etcetera. I will agree that he can come off as bitter, but he's got more of a mind than people would admit. I can't help but agree with most of what he said here, especially about Savage. Randy was amazing for his time, but today he would be an Internet darling who would need to do something drastic (Pipebomb) to get over, or have a fan revolt (Bryan, Ryder) to decide if he makes it or flounders out. Vince is out of touch. The SCSA podcast proved that. I disagree with HHH not having the capability to fix it, but we won't find that out till Vince is six feet under. As for the sponsors and stockholders, I agree. I understand pissing them off is bad, but fans being happy would have a trickle down affect. But that's whatever. This. Madden is way smarter than he gets credit for, and he's right a majority of the time.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Dec 29, 2014 22:21:20 GMT -5
So his point is what, exactly? Popular opinions and tastes change with time? Nothing stays in style forever? That the current writing staff would stifle his creativity and prevent him from succeeding? Let's be honest, even if he were allowed to do all the same things, would today's smark audience even like him?
I don't think anybody would get the same reaction in today's environment. Hogan would get booed for always going over, Ricky Steamboat would get run out of the arena with "What?" and "boring" chants, and people would root for heels just to be contrarians and try to get themselves over.
You can even go the other way with the argument if you want to. For example, had he been around in the 1980s, Ryback would be a ten-time world champion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 0:12:16 GMT -5
So...times change and he feels the need to compare the societal changes from two starkly different eras/times? I agree with Tyler Black and Happy Pizza; I fail to see the relevance of doing so. If anything, it besmirches the name of Savage having his name dragged through machinations of the here and now...
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