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Post by johnnyb on Dec 30, 2014 17:14:27 GMT -5
i know i might get alot of crap for this but ill say it anyway besides Cesaros mic skills, hes a great wrestler. i thought that promo was good until the 4 ropes part. i honestly thought he was gonna get a push from that promo util he called out any wrestler. that brings me to my next point. the person to come out is Bad News Barrett. thats fine that he was the one that wrestled him. what i did not like was that BNB went over on Cesaro. im sorry but Cesaro is so much better then BNB (besides mic skills) and letting BNB go over was stupid. Cesaro should of gotten over but hey thats just my opinion. Barrett is better overall and it's not close. Cesaro is a great pure wrestler, but Barrett is a full package wrestler. There is zero reason to have him lose to Cesaro. He could be a main event guy, Cesaro can't be. Barrett has been with the company for five years and still doesn't know how to play to the fans during matches. The BNB character is a really good one, and his promos are all really good, but in the ring he is exceptionally dull and forgettable.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 30, 2014 17:14:29 GMT -5
It was pretty damn bad. Oh well, at least Ryback proved he can do live promos so the night wasn't a total loss for testing guys on the mic.
And a bad Cesaro promo is worth it if it sets up awesome Barrett promising the bullhammer will connect "with your shiny little head!"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 17:20:56 GMT -5
Barrett is better overall and it's not close. Cesaro is a great pure wrestler, but Barrett is a full package wrestler. There is zero reason to have him lose to Cesaro. He could be a main event guy, Cesaro can't be. Barrett has been with the company for five years and still doesn't know how to play to the fans during matches. The BNB character is a really good one, and his promos are all really good, but in the ring he is exceptionally dull and forgettable. Disagree completely. He's not the best by any means, but he's solid.
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Post by Supreme Cross on Dec 30, 2014 17:25:18 GMT -5
i know i might get alot of crap for this but ill say it anyway besides Cesaros mic skills, hes a great wrestler. i thought that promo was good until the 4 ropes part. i honestly thought he was gonna get a push from that promo util he called out any wrestler. that brings me to my next point. the person to come out is Bad News Barrett. thats fine that he was the one that wrestled him. what i did not like was that BNB went over on Cesaro. im sorry but Cesaro is so much better then BNB (besides mic skills) and letting BNB go over was stupid. Cesaro should of gotten over but hey thats just my opinion. Barrett is better overall and it's not close. Cesaro is a great pure wrestler, but Barrett is a full package wrestler. There is zero reason to have him lose to Cesaro. He could be a main event guy, Cesaro can't be. i cant seem to get behind BNB honestly. i actually dont care for him. yes he has a great gimmick and mic skills that Cesaro dont and possibly a better champion but i still cant get behind him. maybe i like Cesaro more because after watching his indy stuff, i was hoping he'd be a big deal but obviously not
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 17:32:39 GMT -5
I liked when Barrett had him in the ropes and all I could think about was him being tied up in the four ropes. Haha.
Still.
Not nearly as bad as whatever that Ryback promo sh*t was.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 17:38:44 GMT -5
Barrett is better overall and it's not close. Cesaro is a great pure wrestler, but Barrett is a full package wrestler. There is zero reason to have him lose to Cesaro. He could be a main event guy, Cesaro can't be. i cant seem to get behind BNB honestly. i actually dont care for him. yes he has a great gimmick and mic skills that Cesaro dont and possibly a better champion but i still cant get behind him. maybe i like Cesaro more because after watching his indy stuff, i was hoping he'd be a big deal but obviously not I can see where you're coming from. Cesaros best Indy stuff came when he was in a team though. He's a perfect tag team wrestler. He can't feed off a crowd on his own, but he plays great off his partners.
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Post by Supreme Cross on Dec 30, 2014 17:41:53 GMT -5
i cant seem to get behind BNB honestly. i actually dont care for him. yes he has a great gimmick and mic skills that Cesaro dont and possibly a better champion but i still cant get behind him. maybe i like Cesaro more because after watching his indy stuff, i was hoping he'd be a big deal but obviously not I can see where you're coming from. Cesaros best Indy stuff came when he was in a team though. He's a perfect tag team wrestler. He can't feed off a crowd on his own, but he plays great off his partners. now that i have to agree with
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Dec 30, 2014 18:28:19 GMT -5
That crapwas so dumb. I thought they were finally doing something with him.
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Post by King Silva on Dec 30, 2014 18:43:07 GMT -5
He blew his shot with that 4 rope screwup. Can't help but feel sorry for the guy. Finally gets a chance to speak and makes a fool of himself. Sadly this is how I feel. That was so embarrassing so yeah he should not be around a mic. Same for Ryback although his wasn't as bad I guess..
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Post by greenjack1992 on Dec 30, 2014 18:58:15 GMT -5
Link?
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Post by BØRNS on Dec 30, 2014 19:14:14 GMT -5
Cesaro's the best wrestler WWE has
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Post by Chip on Dec 30, 2014 19:24:07 GMT -5
yeah because EVERYTHING always has to be 100% perfect every single time or else its a gigantic failure. im so sick and tired of that attitude. he obviously messed up a scripted line recovered and moved on. just because that happened all of a sudden "good he sucks and should be a jobber anyway" That promo was everything wrong with this company in a nutshell.... Cesaro is the most talented in-ring performer this company has. Not one guy can touch a candle to the things he does in the ring. Everything from the way he flows a match to the way he ing PINS a guy is textbook wrestling perfection. People are realizing that more because he's had amazing matches with the big boys and delivered on a consistent basis. Yet the WWE has booked him to be a complete and total JOBBER. One way or another he has lost almost every big match he's had, and has been used more as a guy who cant get it done than ever since the night after Wrestlemania 30. Like it or not, connecting with the fans, brass ring....all that bullshit....it's meaningless if the writers have you LOSE ALL THE TIME. So then he cuts this promo....starts talking about he doesn't give a if he connects with the fans....he gets it DONE in the ring.... holy shit....we may have something here he pretty much turns face, and heel within the same promo....issues an open challenge to prove his points AND LOSES AGAIN So what we've established this time only with even MORE obvious is that Cesaro is a guy who can't get it done. At all. This is what the "casual" audience thinks....and the people that enjoy the guy can't even get excited anymore because they just know he's going to lose every match. There's little enjoyment in losing. Nothing speaks truer than in wrestling. On top of that we have Barrett who is an AMAZING heel, suddenly turning face? For what? Or is he? What the hell was it? All it was, ONCE AGAIN was this stupid company and their wishy washy booking confusing the hell out of people and destroying the potential of both those guys in one move. Cesaro cuts the promo doesn't crapon the fans after they cheer the hell out of him because they know how damn good in the ring he really is...Barrett returns and they beat the crapout of each other to a double count out. Two big strong MEN kicking the crapout of each other but neither can win out right away. There you have the beginning of what we call....a FEUD. Crazy concept huh?
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Post by Chip on Dec 30, 2014 19:25:58 GMT -5
oh the funny thing in all this?
the match they had was actually pretty damn good. the audience was asleep and the commentators were probably talking about Cena or Reigns or something....but they really did put together a solid TV match.
and I'm glad Barrett is back, hopefully he can stay healthy for a long time now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 19:33:42 GMT -5
People really need to stop getting butthurt whenever the guy they like loses. Cesaro is a guy who is best suited for tag team wrestling, and his singles career will be limited to the occasional transitional IC/US title reign. It's where he should be. That's his ceiling.
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Post by Rontaro13 on Dec 30, 2014 19:40:42 GMT -5
Really don't see how people saw that as a possible face turn. All I saw it as was a disgruntled heel venting his frustrations.
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Post by BØRNS on Dec 30, 2014 20:16:30 GMT -5
People really need to stop getting butthurt whenever the guy they like loses. Cesaro is a guy who is best suited for tag team wrestling, and his singles career will be limited to the occasional transitional IC/US title reign. It's where he should be. That's his ceiling. Says who? You? Go tell that to Cesaro. I was at WM and he was so damn over. Even at Axxess he got a bigger pop than Shawn Michaels. You've obviously never seen any of Cesaro's indy work. The guy can wrestle better than everyone on the WWE roster including Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, and Sami Zayn (in my opinion). If Cesaro ever has a serious one-on-one TV feud worth watching (not some stupid real american stuff) where there is a story and in-ring work. Damn. The closest we've seen from that was a bit with Orton earlier this year. Cesaro/Zayn was some great work, but of course that was off TV. And now that NXT is over, do they let Cesaro still wrestler there? No. Instead WWE leaves TV time to the real talents of the WWE like Roman Reigns.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2014 20:18:20 GMT -5
People really need to stop getting butthurt whenever the guy they like loses. Cesaro is a guy who is best suited for tag team wrestling, and his singles career will be limited to the occasional transitional IC/US title reign. It's where he should be. That's his ceiling. Says who? You? Go tell that to Cesaro. I was at WM and he was so damn over. Even at Axxess he got a bigger pop than Shawn Michaels. You've obviously never seen any of Cesaro's indy work. The guy can wrestle better than everyone on the WWE roster including Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler, and Sami Zayn. If Cesaro ever has a serious one-on-one TV feud worth watching (not some stupid real american stuff) where there is a story and in-ring work. Damn. The closest we've seen from that was a bit with Orton earlier this year. Sami Zayn was some great work, but of course that's off TV. WWE leaves TV time to the real talents of the WWE like Roman Reigns. Sigh. I've seen all of his indy work. He's a fantastic in-ring wrestler, but he does not connect with the fans. He does not get a reaction aside from when he's swinging somebody. He does not play to the crowd well, he cannot cut a promo to save his life. The only time he plays a character well is when he's part of a team. That's it. He's the perfect tag team guy, but he will never ever be a main eventer as a singles competitor, nor should he be. Edit: WM Axxess, Mania itself and the RAW the night after do not count as being over, as those crowds are largely marks. The casual fan has never cared much for Cesaro as a singles competitor.
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Post by futureisrollins on Dec 30, 2014 20:31:07 GMT -5
The swing is still way over, I was at Raw 2 weeks ago and the pop was big for it.. but he needs to build on that, find more ways to pull in the casual audience. It can be done but I don't know if I see it right now from him.
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Post by sitruC on Dec 30, 2014 20:31:37 GMT -5
In all fairness he did recover from the slip up well.
I think he's great, definitely not on main event tier like Bryan or Rollins but more of a Big Show/Kane guy who you can rely on in the ring.
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Post by Miztery on Dec 30, 2014 20:45:20 GMT -5
Cesaro is great in the ring. Problem is his mic/promo skills are lacking a bit at this point. Despite this, I personally believe he should be one of the first few in line for a push but me and WWE creative tend to disagree more often than not. I hope he doesn't become the next great wrestler to be demoted to a career mid carder just because he isn't Stone Cold on the mic. Shelton Benjamin anyone?
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