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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 16:35:54 GMT -5
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Post by KeBen Owens on Jan 5, 2015 16:47:16 GMT -5
What people keep failing to realize is the difference between American wrestling and the Japanese style. Guys like bryan were taught to build a match through tons of complex holds and maneuvers and let the actual grappling do the work. They were shown that skill is what brings you to stardom.
The Americanized version of professional wrestling is and has always been the aspect of theater. It will NEVER ACTUALLY BE ABOUT THE WRESTING, always about the story arc that surrounds it.
Because of the styles that the NXT guys and Bryan are now exposing to the U.S. audience, along with companies like ROH and PWG, the "strong style" with a little American thrown in, it's going to be hard for a guy like roman to push forward because Vince loves that "larger than life, untouchable warrior" aspect of his wrestlers that he endorses. When in reality, it's the actual moves and holds that should've been honored form the beginning. But that's the way it's always been with the WWE. It will forever portray it's guys as characters, never as actual technical masters. It was a constant fight for guys like Bret hart and HBK to get over because of this, but they did anyway because they never gave up.
Bottom line, Reigns simply has "the look" that WWE wants as the marketable face of its company to sell products off of. They can put his mug on game covers, DVDs, toys, and what have you and they will make money.
It will never be about the actual wrestling in World Wrestling ENTERTAINMENT.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jan 5, 2015 16:49:40 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is boring. That's all there is to it for me.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 5, 2015 16:50:34 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if Reigns is being molded to be the main event guy, as long as John Cena is in the WWE, it will always go back to him. John will politic his way into having Vince believe that it's good for business if Cena has the WWE Title, or if Cena is in the main event. Much like how Hogan did in the 80s and early 90s.
It wasn't until Hulk Hogan left the WWE that new talent had a chance to shine. The same can be said for the WWE. Sure, CM Punk had a 15 month WWE Title reign, but most of those PPV events, Cena was still going on last, and the WWE Title match was 2nd from the main event.
We need a WCW type federation with lots of money to lure away guys like John Cena and Randy Orton for there to be new stars in the WWE.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 5, 2015 16:53:34 GMT -5
Do the people who support Roman believe that he's ready for a mega push to the World Championship?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 17:02:27 GMT -5
Do the people who support Roman believe that he's ready for a mega push to the World Championship? I believe the fans who don't live and die by the sword of their favorite wrestler's push do. I, myself, try to enjoy the show the best I can. If I worried so much about who got pushed and who deserved this or that then I would never be able to be a happy wrestling fan.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 5, 2015 17:15:48 GMT -5
Nope. Where do I even begin with this nonsense. 1. You can't blame the wrestling audience for evolving. It's actually WWE's fault for not adapting in that situation. Fans were literally telling WWE they wanted guys like Punk and Bryan, and the WWE was continuously saying "no, no, no, you want this guy over here with the big ing muscles." And that's bullsh*t. Every other wrestling promotion in the world has broken down those walls and WWE is still clinging to prehistoric traditions because Vince has an alpha male complex, and is moderately homosexual imo. 2. Roman Reigns can't talk. This has nothing to do with his in-ring ability. His Cool Hand Luke charisma is only going to take him so far, and so far, they haven't protected his inability to talk. The Rock wasn't really ever that great of a worker either imo, or at least he was very mechanical in a Cena kind of way, but he could jive, and he was truly bursting with charisma. They want Reigns to be that guy, but he's just not, at least not yet, and maybe not ever. 3. The audience really doesn't like him that much. This is the thing that makes me laugh the most. He gets pops, decent pops, but nothing like what he was getting in the Shield. He has no character. He looks like a guy that should still be in The Shield, but he's shieldless. They need to find a niche for Reigns because right now he's just some generic dude who has already thrown a million superman punches and looks like Jason Momoa. I genuinely have no idea why I should like Roman Reigns. Seriously, what's special about him? He's not even that big, and I'm pretty sure he's openly said Rollins kicks his ass in the gym. 4. He's being shoved down our throats. He's being manufactured by the machine. Fans don't want to be told who the next guy is, they want to pick the next guy. You can absolutely, 1000%, tell that WWE is trying to get Reigns over and fans naturally reject that kind of mentality. WWE isn't cool. So if they have to tell us which guy on the roster is cool, it obviously isn't very cool. 5. Let's not act like we're not fans of big guys. Drew McIntyre was 6'6, Wade Barrett is 6'7, I don't like Sheamus' character but as a worker I'll take him every single day over Reigns and he's like 6'5 and 270. If you want to go back through time, Ultimate Warrior, Kevin Nash, Undertaker, Kerry Von Erich, Scott Hall, Bam Bam, Vader, I mean there are tons of guys who I've enjoyed and still enjoy that aren't work rate guys. But then, WWE blow hards don't want to hear that sh*t. They don't want to hear about how I just enjoyed watching Gallows and Machine Gun kick ass over on WK9 because I think their powerhouse stuff is gnarly. The truth is that Roman Reigns isn't ready. That's the ing reality of the situation. It has nothing to do with the fans, or the internet, or anything else. It's WWE pushing a guy too hard, too fast, and the audience reacting accordingly. Go ahead though, let him win the Rumble. Let him win the title at Mania. Just don't act surprised when fans boo him out of the building. Put a midcard title on the guy. let him get a decent match under his belt. Let us all have an opportunity to like the guy before WWE decides he's the next John Cena. Let us not even get into the idea of creating a replica of a guy most of us have been sick of for nearly a decade. But yay for having a blog and speaking the english language!
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 5, 2015 17:17:53 GMT -5
Decent read that misses the main point with a lot of people. It's not about other underdogs that should get pushed over him or that he doesn't do "eye popping" moves. It's that he simply isn't really ready at this point in his career. The WWE has booked themselves into a spot where he is most likely going to be champion when he's not ready, but still.
I'm totally fine with his inability to work like Daniel Bryan. He just needs at least some more time to polish himself. The guy has wrestled ONE singles match on PPV. That's it. And it wasn't very good. He can be the next big star and I'm cool with that. He just needs more time that he doesn't have.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 5, 2015 17:20:27 GMT -5
Nope. Where do I even begin with this nonsense. 1. You can't blame the wrestling audience for evolving. It's actually WWE's fault for not adapting in that situation. Fans were literally telling WWE they wanted guys like Punk and Bryan, and the WWE was continuously saying "no, no, no, you want this guy over here with the big ing muscles." And that's bullsh*t. Every other wrestling promotion in the world has broken down those walls and WWE is still clinging to prehistoric traditions because Vince has an alpha male complex, and is moderately homosexual imo. 2. Roman Reigns can't talk. This has nothing to do with his in-ring ability. His Cool Hand Luke charisma is only going to take him so far, and so far, they haven't protected his inability to talk. The Rock wasn't really ever that great of a worker either imo, or at least he was very mechanical in a Cena kind of way, but he could jive, and he was truly bursting with charisma. They want Reigns to be that guy, but he's just not, at least not yet, and maybe not ever. 3. The audience really doesn't like him that much. This is the thing that makes me laugh the most. He gets pops, decent pops, but nothing like what he was getting in the Shield. He has no character. He looks like a guy that should still be in The Shield, but he's shieldless. They need to find a niche for Reigns because right now he's just some generic dude who has already thrown a million superman punches and looks like Jason Momoa. I genuinely have no idea why I should like Roman Reigns. Seriously, what's special about him? He's not even that big, and I'm pretty sure he's openly said Rollins kicks his ass in the gym. 4. He's being shoved down our throats. He's being manufactured by the machine. Fans don't want to be told who the next guy is, they want to pick the next guy. You can absolutely, 1000%, tell that WWE is trying to get Reigns over and fans naturally reject that kind of mentality. WWE isn't cool. So if they have to tell us which guy on the roster is cool, it obviously isn't very cool. 5. Let's not act like we're not fans of big guys. Drew McIntyre was 6'6, Wade Barrett is 6'7, I don't like Sheamus' character but as a worker I'll take him every single day over Reigns and he's like 6'5 and 270. If you want to go back through time, Ultimate Warrior, Kevin Nash, Undertaker, Kerry Von Erich, Scott Hall, Bam Bam, Vader, I mean there are tons of guys who I've enjoyed and still enjoy that aren't work rate guys. But then, WWE blow hards don't want to hear that sh*t. They don't want to hear about how I just enjoyed watching Gallows and Machine Gun kick ass over on WK9 because I think their powerhouse stuff is gnarly. The truth is that Roman Reigns isn't ready. That's the ing reality of the situation. It has nothing to do with the fans, or the internet, or anything else. It's WWE pushing a guy too hard, too fast, and the audience reacting accordingly. Go ahead though, let him win the Rumble. Let him win the title at Mania. Just don't act surprised when fans boo him out of the building. Put a midcard title on the guy. let him get a decent match under his belt. Let us all have an opportunity to like the guy before WWE decides he's the next John Cena. Let us not even get into the idea of creating a replica of a guy most of us have been sick of for nearly a decade. But yay for having a blog and speaking the english language! Well this is phenomenal. Especially point number 5. Everyone assumes that because Vince McMahon wants to push a bigger guy with his look, everyone who is against is "MUST LIKE THE LITTLE GUYS". Seriously, this is a fantastic post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 17:20:39 GMT -5
The word haters is so overused.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 5, 2015 17:24:52 GMT -5
It's just another case of "don't tell me who to like, dad! I'm going to my room!"
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 5, 2015 17:30:17 GMT -5
It's just another case of "don't tell me who to like, dad! I'm going to my room!" I don't understand why it's such a bad thing to like who you want to like. If we dislike Roman Reigns and he gets pushed we're just being sour and not just "enjoying the show." Maybe it's hard to enjoy parts of the show if you don't like the guy being shoved down your throat. It's not unreasonable to say that Roman Reigns isn't ready. I'm not against the Roman Reigns push, but I do think it's too soon. However, I see why other people are against it and don't think it's a bad thing to disagree.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 5, 2015 17:30:41 GMT -5
Do the people who support Roman believe that he's ready for a mega push to the World Championship? I believe the fans who don't live and die by the sword of their favorite wrestler's push do. I, myself, try to enjoy the show the best I can. If I worried so much about who got pushed and who deserved this or that then I would never be able to be a happy wrestling fan. Doesn't really answer my question. I'm just really curious to see the perspective from someone who actually like Roman Reigns, because honestly, I don't understand how someone could say that he's ready.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 5, 2015 17:30:50 GMT -5
It's just another case of "don't tell me who to like, dad! I'm going to my room!" Why do you always have to be so condescending about everything? Can you not convey your own opinions without insulting others?
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 5, 2015 17:32:33 GMT -5
Do the people who support Roman believe that he's ready for a mega push to the World Championship? Nah. I support Roman Reigns, but he is not ready for the push he's getting. Had he not had that injury in September, he might have been close IMO. If he can improve on his promo skills, which I believe is what he's lacking the most, he would be ready. Not everyone who gets pushed for the main event has to have 5 star matches. IMO, as long as they're believable and can get the crowd invested in them with their promos and connecting with the crowd with what they do in the ring, they're good to get pushed. IMO, someone like Ziggler deserves Reign's spot a lot more just to give an example.
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Post by xavion2004 on Jan 5, 2015 17:41:42 GMT -5
Do you think the perception of Reigns would have been different today if he hadn't missed a couple of months with his injury? I think those extra months were crucial for Rollins and Ambrose.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 17:41:57 GMT -5
I believe the fans who don't live and die by the sword of their favorite wrestler's push do. I, myself, try to enjoy the show the best I can. If I worried so much about who got pushed and who deserved this or that then I would never be able to be a happy wrestling fan. Doesn't really answer my question. I'm just really curious to see the perspective from someone who actually like Roman Reigns, because honestly, I don't understand how someone could say that he's ready. I like Reigns. Is he ready? Maybe. Maybe not? Is it my job to say so? Maybe. Maybe not. Is he going to get pushed regardless? Probably. Will people bitch about who's getti pushed whether it's Reigns or not? Absolutely. But to directly answer your question, I am a Reigns fan. I don't think he's ready for what's in store. But he may surprise us all. Time will tell and I'm just going to try to enjoy it. I've never enjoyed Cena any. At all. Yet I keep watching as an optimistic fan of pro wrestling because I love the entertainment it brings me. They don't sign my paycheck. I don't own stock. They can honestly push who they want. I don't have to watch. I choose to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 17:55:32 GMT -5
Do the people who support Roman believe that he's ready for a mega push to the World Championship? No I'm a big fan of roman reigns and even I know he's not ready for a title yet but at the same time some people are acting like he's a 15x wwe champion or something.You say you want new main eventers but when we finally get some you wanna complain because you don't like this guy or that guy or something.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 17:59:28 GMT -5
Do the people who support Roman believe that he's ready for a mega push to the World Championship? No I'm a big fan of roman reigns and even I know he's not ready for a title yet but at the same time some people are acting like he's a 15x wwe champion or something.You say you want new main eventers but when we finally get some you wanna complain because you don't like this guy or that guy or something. Sure most people want new maint eventers, that doesn't mean we have to like them. I really enjoy Ambrose, Rollins, and Wyatt. No not because their "darlings". I haven't seen any of their indy work. I judged them on what they brought to the main roster. I have no bias against Reigns, I just do not like him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2015 18:02:14 GMT -5
No I'm a big fan of roman reigns and even I know he's not ready for a title yet but at the same time some people are acting like he's a 15x wwe champion or something.You say you want new main eventers but when we finally get some you wanna complain because you don't like this guy or that guy or something. Sure most people want new maint eventers, that doesn't mean we have to like them. I really enjoy Ambrose, Rollins, and Wyatt. No not because their "darlings". I haven't seen any of their indy work. I judged them on what they brought to the main roster. I have no bias against Reigns, I just do not like him. I'm the same with you except I like Reigns. I like Ambrose and Rollins and I really dig Wyatt. I base my opinions off what I see on WWE tv. Not developmental or Indy's but solely main WWE roster
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