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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 13:04:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure when they could ever have had this feud. In 1993, Michaels was pretty busy with Tatanka, Jannetty and Mr Perfect. Then he got suspended, and after he came back for the ladder match, he was pretty much a manager for the remainder of 1994, by his own choosing. Agreed & that's why I'm calling shens on it man.....Lanny as a purveyor of the truth just doesn't fly with me.
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Post by joek13 on Jan 12, 2015 21:19:13 GMT -5
If anyone hasn't seen it yet, on the Randy Savage DVD/Blu Ray that recently came out, Lanny Poffo went on to say that Savage wanted to work a program with Shawn Michaels, but the WWE nixed the idea. Well, again, I am not so sure about that, because these two did work a program on house shows in 1993. WWF @ Providence, RI - Civic Center - January 30, 1993 (matinee) Included a moment of silence and a 3-bell salute to the passing of Andre the Giant Tito Santana defeated Skinner Jim Powers pinned the Predator at 8:23 with a powerslam Typhoon pinned the Berzerker with a roll up at 6:01 after the Berzerker thought he had won the match with his feet on the ropes Rick & Scott Steiner defeated Double Trouble at 7:01 when Scott scored the pin following a double team DDT from Rick's shoulders Mr. Perfect pinned Ric Flair at 15:50 with the Perfect Plex; after the bout, Razor Ramon assaulted Perfect on the floor, hitting him with a chair and twice throwing him into the ring post Tatanka pinned Damien Demento with the Samoan Drop WWF IC Champion Shawn Michaels fought Randy Savage to a double count-out at 8:07 when Savage chased after the champion when Michaels left ringside as the challenger attempted the flying elbowsmash; after the bout, Savage brought Michaels back to the ring, hit the elbowsmash, and - not realizing the match was over - made the coverRazor Ramon pinned the Big Bossman at 5:34 with a roll up after Bossman missed a charge in the corner WWF World Champion Bret Hart pinned Bam Bam Bigelow at around the 10-minute mark with a victory roll after kicking the challenger in the face as he charged the corner And there is quite a few house show results I seen with HBK vs. Savage. So again, is that just an assumption by Lanny Poffo in why Savage left the WWE?? Because it seemed those two were working a program; albeit on the house shows, but it was still a program. OMG, I went to this show and for what its worth I totally don't remember Shawn and Savage even having a match so maybe the feud not going off was the right call. However; I would feely admit to not being the best barometer to measure this. Lol. The only real memories I have of this show was, it was a Saturday afternoon, sitting in the upper level of the then Civic Center (now Dunkin' Donuts center), finding out Andre had passed (which I hadn't heard prior), and I that I was shocked that Ric Flair was there as this was after he lost the retirement match on Raw to Mr. Perfect. That may very well have been Flair's final WWE appearance until his return after the closure of WCW. Future memory I would have is that the final match of the '93 King of the Ring tourney which Hart won after pinning Bigelow was almost the same exact finish that happened in Providence at this show. I forgot that until now but I digress.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 14, 2015 9:21:38 GMT -5
I think the last time Vince had a clear vision for his product was around 92, since then he's just been reacting and rolling with the punches. I never thought the Attitude Era was his idea at all, Austin and Rock were very fortunate, then he had an influx of guys like Guerrero, Benoit, Angle, Lesnar that he didn't make either. Not saying he hasn't known what he's doing at all, just not planning because he doesn't know how to act, just react. Maybe we should try to think of the last Vince created character that was awesome, I'm thinking Undertaker? And it's not like he could have stuck that on anyone, he got really lucky that Mark Calloway did such an amazing job with it right from the start. Hogan/Flair Warrior/Taker Warrior/Shango Warrior/Flair Macho/Razor Macho/HBK never making it to tv is ing stupid, and Vince had his head spinning with scandals at the time. 1992 was all about 'why did my favorite wrestlers leave me? WHY?' The answer turned out to be something like, 'we're a bunch of carny degenerates who can't make good decisions.' Match quality of some of those feuds whatever, let's not act like that was ever a priority in the WWF before guys like Savage and Hart anyway. Perfect could have been champ at that point too. Take Luger, he was the man as a heel, knocking fools out left and right but nah we'll mess that up and turn it into a bus. A BUS. Look at how confused Luger is about being confined to this bus, "Where am I, what am I doing with my life, what hath become of Larry Pfohl, and where are you taking me???" It's all lies Lex, kick the door open and tuck and roll because this isn't a ride to the title, it's a ride to mid card hell. If it didn't happen on tv it didn't happen to me, not a chance anyone was taking me to a house show as a kid and I'm in Manhattan! Bunch of house show privileged kids round here.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 14, 2015 14:26:02 GMT -5
Jesus christ man i dont know if you intended for it but that post is damn hilarious ^
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 14, 2015 14:52:21 GMT -5
Jesus christ man i dont know if you intended for it but that post is damn hilarious ^ The Lex Express led to the Bacon, Bagels, Biceps, Bull***t and Banzais breakfast of ing doom.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 19:16:20 GMT -5
Jesus christ man i dont know if you intended for it but that post is damn hilarious ^ Sure was!!
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 14, 2015 19:33:32 GMT -5
Jesus christ man i dont know if you intended for it but that post is damn hilarious ^ the gif makes it. he does indeed have a "Where am I?" type of look there.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 15, 2015 23:32:18 GMT -5
Jesus christ man i dont know if you intended for it but that post is damn hilarious ^ It had me dying. Poor Lex. He had that same look on his face at Summerslam when he was being carried around the ring on the Steiners' shoulders, waving the flag, balloons are falling from the rafters as the crowd heads for the exits feeling completely ripped off.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 5:31:52 GMT -5
Jesus christ man i dont know if you intended for it but that post is damn hilarious ^ It had me dying. Poor Lex. He had that same look on his face at Summerslam when he was being carried around the ring on the Steiners' shoulders, waving the flag, balloons are falling from the rafters as the crowd heads for the exits feeling completely ripped off. Oh man don't get me started.....just what the f*ck were they celebrating about?
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 16, 2015 6:23:09 GMT -5
It had me dying. Poor Lex. He had that same look on his face at Summerslam when he was being carried around the ring on the Steiners' shoulders, waving the flag, balloons are falling from the rafters as the crowd heads for the exits feeling completely ripped off. Oh man don't get me started.....just what the f*ck were they celebrating about? The world may never know......
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 6:26:26 GMT -5
Oh man don't get me started.....just what the f*ck were they celebrating about? The world may never know...... I remember watching that event VIVIDLY as a 13 year old.....VIVIDLY. And I could not figure out what the hoopla was about....I was really confused. They were celebrating like Luger had won the title in a loser leaves town match against Yoko.....but Luger "won" by totally f*cking up. Crazy piece of booking right here.....top 5 most confusing booking choices EVER.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 16, 2015 6:39:59 GMT -5
The world may never know...... I remember watching that event VIVIDLY as a 13 year old.....VIVIDLY. And I could not figure out what the hoopla was about....I was really confused. They were celebrating like Luger had won the title in a loser leaves town match against Yoko.....but Luger "won" by totally f*cking up. Crazy piece of booking right here.....top 5 most confusing booking choices EVER. I watched it a few months back for the first time. I was outright appalled by what i was watching. Every PPV of 1993 has a wonky ending with the exception of Survivor Series and i can hardly tell you what happened at that event so that's not saying much. What a shame because there is some amazing matches in that year.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 16, 2015 7:09:51 GMT -5
It had me dying. Poor Lex. He had that same look on his face at Summerslam when he was being carried around the ring on the Steiners' shoulders, waving the flag, balloons are falling from the rafters as the crowd heads for the exits feeling completely ripped off. Oh man don't get me started.....just what the f*ck were they celebrating about? It was like the president got shot right before being sworn in, and they still carried on with the proceedings, hardly an obstacle to the planned celebrations for the day! 'What do you mean the president is dead? But we have balloons and confetti too! Have you seen the cake inside, I mean, we can't just call all this off, have some secret service guys prop him up and parade him around the lawn, it'll be fine.' "Yay, I won, and I'm American, see the flag?" What in the blue hell was the point of all that, VINCE? Other than adding to the growing WTF folder at WWF offices. Poor Lex is probably thinking 'How much more ICOPRO am I going to have to force down my gullet to get that title?' ALL THE ICOPRO, LEX, ALL OF IT, and there are warehouses full of it. You're going to learn to eat plates and plates of ICOPRO and you're gonna learn to love it. You will be tarred and ICOPRO'd and sent back to Atlanta.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Jan 16, 2015 7:26:30 GMT -5
'NO, tarred and ICOPRO'd isn't good enough. We're going to seal Luger in frozen ICOPRO carbonite, push him in the pool, laugh about it, and then ship him back to Turner. I want ICOPRO in his lungs damn it, eating it isn't good enough. What's that Patterson? What do you mean I can't make make a frozen ICOPRO tomb for one of my wrestlers, I can do whatever I want, I'm Vince McMahon.'
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 16, 2015 9:19:51 GMT -5
While the booking is indeed baffling we cannot forget that Lex was supposedly spouting off that he was going to win the strap the night before and that supposedly led to Vince changing the plans.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 16, 2015 9:20:11 GMT -5
Cause if you don't want it, you'll be celebrating count-out victories all across the country for the rest of your days.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 16, 2015 9:37:23 GMT -5
While the booking is indeed baffling we cannot forget that Lex was supposedly spouting off that he was going to win the strap the night before and that supposedly led to Vince changing the plans. I'm not sure I buy the whole "drunk Lex at a bar bragging about getting the belt" theory. Bret was more popular and had a better connection with the fans. I think even Vince noticed they were cooling off on Lex by the time WMX was approaching. They wasted all that gas money for a count-out win and a DQ loss. If Summerslam was taking a bullet to the body, WM was the fatal headshot for Lex's WWF run.
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