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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jan 10, 2015 20:08:06 GMT -5
This is something I've been thinking when Kane left in 2002 to have his surgery it give the WWE the chance to give him a new theme (Slow Chemicals) & a new attire. But what if he never needed the surgery? Could he have wore his 2000 attire up until he unmasked and possibly have been booked differently aswell.
Think about it when Kane started wearing the half mask he was able to talk a lot more and relate to the fans better aswell were before from 1997/2002 he was mainly a silent, mysterious monster who scared the crap out of everyone.
So how do you guys think he would've been booked if he never needed the surgery?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 20:29:52 GMT -5
Sadly, I don't think he'd ever won the WWE title and it sucks.
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Post by Kanenite on Jan 10, 2015 21:28:11 GMT -5
He actually used the Slow Chemical theme before getting injured
And I think he probably would of had new attires that were similar. Hell, the attire he wore all early 2002 actually isn't from Summerslam 2000, it's from Mid 01. The Mask is interesting though. I think he would of had something with the mouth area cut out eventually because I'm sure he always wanted to do that so he could breathe better.
As for his character, I think he still would of ended up doing goofy stuff, because the weeks before his injury, he was doing stuff like imitating Hogan and telling Terri that "not all his body parts were burnt". I can easily imagine him facing off against Lesnar too.
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Post by Evil Abed on Jan 10, 2015 21:30:16 GMT -5
My best guess is lost in the shuffle. Raw during this time period was the time of Undertaker, Hogan, HBK, Nash, NWO, Lesnar, etc…
He prob feuds with the NWO for a while and then feuds with the UnAmericans, just earlier than when he returned.
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Post by Kanenite on Jan 10, 2015 21:37:45 GMT -5
I think the biggest "What If" for the Kane timeline would be the InVasion angle in 2001. If that never happened, I could see Kane as champ sometime in that year and it would of been great.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2015 23:55:57 GMT -5
I miss that badass 2001 Kane.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 5:15:59 GMT -5
He would have been booked exactly the same. Vince viewed Kane as an upper tier jobber and sadly for all the Kane fans? That's exactly what he was. He rarely won any of the feuds he was featured in.
Vince totally squandered the momentum Kane had in 2001 after the RR(which happened after he lost yet another feud to Jericho)so there is NO reason to believe that anything would have been different in the turbulent year that was 2002.
In the words of Metallica? Sad but true
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Jan 11, 2015 6:26:09 GMT -5
I wish he never did, as soon as he returned in 2002, his character started to go more and more downhill, (he done the Kanearoonie on his first night back), he done more comedy and eventually unmasked which was when his character really went down the tubes.
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jan 11, 2015 6:36:14 GMT -5
He would have been booked exactly the same. Vince viewed Kane as an upper tier jobber and sadly for all the Kane fans? That's exactly what he was. He rarely won any of the feuds he was featured in. Vince totally squandered the momentum Kane had in 2001 after the RR(which happened after he lost yet another feud to Jericho)so there is NO reason to believe that anything would have been different in the turbulent year that was 2002. In the words of Metallica? Sad but true That's what I don't understand. Kane is the possibly the company's best worker and he was overly popular back then so what was Vince thinking? |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 11, 2015 6:55:42 GMT -5
He was doing the same stuff before he got injured. All that changed when he came back was the outfit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 13:12:35 GMT -5
The bigger question is why didn't WWE capitalize on his popularity when he returned and put the WHC on him?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 5:01:03 GMT -5
The bigger question is why didn't WWE capitalize on his popularity when he returned and put the WHC on him? Vince never has seen Kane as world champ material......in 2002 that title was promised and awarded to HHH....no way was he gonna drop it to Kane.....hell he only dropped it to good buddy HBK for a month. HHH was hugely insecure after his sudden title loss to Hogan in April 2002 and he would make damn sure that didn't happen to him again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 7:13:41 GMT -5
The bigger question is why didn't WWE capitalize on his popularity when he returned and put the WHC on him? Vince never has seen Kane as world champ material......in 2002 that title was promised and awarded to HHH....no way was he gonna drop it to Kane.....hell he only dropped it to good buddy HBK for a month. HHH was hugely insecure after his sudden title loss to Hogan in April 2002 and he would make damn sure that didn't happen to him again. Sad but true. He dominated from late 02 to early 05 when there were several times he should have dropped ie Kane and Booker T |
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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Jan 12, 2015 19:32:16 GMT -5
Vince never has seen Kane as world champ material......in 2002 that title was promised and awarded to HHH....no way was he gonna drop it to Kane.....hell he only dropped it to good buddy HBK for a month. HHH was hugely insecure after his sudden title loss to Hogan in April 2002 and he would make damn sure that didn't happen to him again. Sad but true. He dominated from late 02 to early 05 when there were several times he should have dropped ie Kane and Booker T Kane and Booker t should've both had world title reigns in 2002, I'm a HHH fan but his reign of terror really sickened me due to the amount of talent that was buried.
When Scott Steiner debut he was instantly destroyed by HHH and he never recovered from that and look at Goldberg another guy buried at the time.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 12, 2015 23:49:11 GMT -5
Sad but true. He dominated from late 02 to early 05 when there were several times he should have dropped ie Kane and Booker T Kane and Booker t should've both had world title reigns in 2002, I'm a HHH fan but his reign of terror really sickened me due to the amount of talent that was buried.
When Scott Steiner debut he was instantly destroyed by HHH and he never recovered from that and look at Goldberg another guy buried at the time.
Triple H is not completely at fault for Steiner. He was rushed back when they knew he wasn't 100%. You can't blame HHH for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 19:52:14 GMT -5
Kane and Booker t should've both had world title reigns in 2002, I'm a HHH fan but his reign of terror really sickened me due to the amount of talent that was buried.
When Scott Steiner debut he was instantly destroyed by HHH and he never recovered from that and look at Goldberg another guy buried at the time.
Triple H is not completely at fault for Steiner. He was rushed back when they knew he wasn't 100%. You can't blame HHH for that. actually Steph "wise beyond her chest size" McMahon and HHH don't get enough blame for this atrocity. HHH was 100% in control of his character and direction in early 2003. He most certainly had input in booking Steiner in a 20 minute match at RR2003.....why they booked him in this fashion when he had drop foot(which eliminated 70% of his moveset) is truly baffling. A short intense brawl was the way to go here with HHH getting DQd when Evolution had to come save his ass. maybe 8-12 minutes. They then book the NWO rematch to be a cage match. Both scenarios cover up Steiner's weaknesses and maybe saved his character with the audience too. Also HHH doesn't get enough of the blame for these 2 stinkers......he was as gassed as Steiner was in BOTH matches. |
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Jan 13, 2015 20:18:10 GMT -5
I understand Vince's reluctance to make Kane the top guy. His character keeps him from being the face of the company. But with Brock Lesnar on the rise, it wouldn't have hurt to try out new superstars on the RAW brand since Lesnar was poised to be THE guy.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 13, 2015 20:21:28 GMT -5
Triple H is not completely at fault for Steiner. He was rushed back when they knew he wasn't 100%. You can't blame HHH for that. actually Steph "wise beyond her chest size" McMahon and HHH don't get enough blame for this atrocity. HHH was 100% in control of his character and direction in early 2003. He most certainly had input in booking Steiner in a 20 minute match at RR2003.....why they booked him in this fashion when he had drop foot(which eliminated 70% of his moveset) is truly baffling. A short intense brawl was the way to go here with HHH getting DQd when Evolution had to come save his ass. maybe 8-12 minutes. They then book the NWO rematch to be a cage match. Both scenarios cover up Steiner's weaknesses and maybe saved his character with the audience too. Also HHH doesn't get enough of the blame for these 2 stinkers......he was as gassed as Steiner was in BOTH matches. I agree that Hunter COULD have helped Steiner booking wise but let's be real we all know how protective he was at the time, i still believe Steph and Vinnie Mac are more to blame. Who's really to blame for Hunter being so protective of his spot. There was a lot of guys coming in who were huge names. He wasn't doing any worse than HBK or Hogan did in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 0:19:27 GMT -5
HHH deserves as much blame as Steiner for those matches being sh*t.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jan 14, 2015 1:16:23 GMT -5
HHH deserves as much blame as Steiner for those matches being sh*t. That is 100% true. Tripel H was dreadful at this time unless he was working with Shawn, RVD, etc. |
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