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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jan 13, 2015 20:17:25 GMT -5
John Cena will have 20 World Titles when its all said and done.
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Post by Nivro™ on Jan 13, 2015 20:18:01 GMT -5
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 13, 2015 20:24:21 GMT -5
Of course he will, and should, he's had the most global longevity of any contracted WWE wrestler. Never out hurt for long, never lost the top spot, never quit to work somewhere else. Draws a hundred mil plus a year for the company. The real question is, will Cena go on twenty years past his prime until whichever McMahon is in charge at the time puts him out of his drunken old man misery, then go to some bush league promotion and do embarrassing has-been vs has-been hardcore matches for a few years while nobody watches?
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 13, 2015 20:29:15 GMT -5
Does anyone else miss the days when winning a championship (especially more than once!) actually meant something? High numbers of title reigns these days don't mean anything. Chris Jericho is like an 11-time Intercontinental champion but only one or two of those reigns were memorable by any definition. So many others seemed like "I don't know what to do with Jericho, let's give him the IC title for a few weeks to pad his resume" and "Who's the IC champion right now?.... yeah I don't know either. Let's have him lose it to Jericho so he can be the best IC champion ever". Jericho's IC title reigns aren't a pimple on the ass of Razor Ramon, Shawn Michaels or Bret Hart. Remember when that title really represented a significant accomplishment for a wrestler? Cena's the same way. They give him a lot of meaningless title reigns so his resume is stuffed full, but to be honest I can barely remember who he beat for any of the titles, what the match was like, how long he had it, or who he lost it to. I probably couldn't come up with the correct combination of that information for a single reign, whereas I could tell you all of that for Bret Hart, and I could probably tell you where I was the first time I saw all of those title changes. If Cena beats Flair, yay for him I guess, but he still isn't anywhere near "the greatest world champion of all-time" or whatever forced line they have the announcers shoehorn into every single one of his appearances. John Cena couldn't lace Ric Flair's ing boots.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 13, 2015 20:31:45 GMT -5
Of course he will, and should, he's had the most global longevity of any contracted WWE wrestler. Never out hurt for long, never lost the top spot, never quit to work somewhere else. Draws a hundred mil plus a year for the company. The real question is, will Cena go on twenty years past his prime until whichever McMahon is in charge at the time puts him out of his drunken old man misery, then go to some bush league promotion and do embarrassing has-been vs has-been hardcore matches for a few years while nobody watches? Side note, I don't mind if John Cena passes Ric Flair, but I wish he didn't have all of the reigns he currently has simply because some were useless. Like beating Alberto Del Rio, who had just won the title, at NOC 2011, only to lose it back to him a month later.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 13, 2015 20:35:08 GMT -5
Side note, I don't mind if John Cena passes Ric Flair, but I wish he didn't have all of the reigns he currently has simply because some were useless. Like beating Alberto Del Rio, who had just won the title, at NOC 2011, only to lose it back to him a month later. The nature of modern wrestling... Title changes to make a PPV seem important and justify the rematch next month. Sometimes it works brilliantly, like the Rock vs Mankind series. Sometimes it doesn't work brilliantly, like all the times it's been done to keep a Cena vs Bland Heel program going for a few months.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 13, 2015 20:39:04 GMT -5
Side note, I don't mind if John Cena passes Ric Flair, but I wish he didn't have all of the reigns he currently has simply because some were useless. Like beating Alberto Del Rio, who had just won the title, at NOC 2011, only to lose it back to him a month later. The nature of modern wrestling... Title changes to make a PPV seem important and justify the rematch next month. Sometimes it works brilliantly, like the Rock vs Mankind series. Sometimes it doesn't work brilliantly, like all the times it's been done to keep a Cena vs Bland Heel program going for a few months. I concur. While I found Alberto Del Rio to be bland, but loved his in ring work, it hurt him bad that they cut the legs off his run instantly. Cena says "you're not a real champion", then proceeds to beat him like nothing. How is the casual viewer supposed to take him seriously? He should have gone over through nefarious terms because a heel who cheats and wins is better than a heel who loses cleanly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2015 21:24:55 GMT -5
Should turds be polished?
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Post by Matt on Jan 13, 2015 22:05:16 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter. They're both Hall of Famers in their own right so who gives a damn about how many titles they've won.
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Post by Sleazyness on Jan 13, 2015 22:14:57 GMT -5
Didn't Nash hand Flair the title once?
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Jan 14, 2015 0:40:37 GMT -5
I don't know but I think you broke the record for longest sentence with the fewest commas... Wooooo!
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 14, 2015 1:56:37 GMT -5
Side note, I don't mind if John Cena passes Ric Flair, but I wish he didn't have all of the reigns he currently has simply because some were useless. Like beating Alberto Del Rio, who had just won the title, at NOC 2011, only to lose it back to him a month later. The nature of modern wrestling... Title changes to make a PPV seem important and justify the rematch next month. Sometimes it works brilliantly, like the Rock vs Mankind series. Sometimes it doesn't work brilliantly, like all the times it's been done to keep a Cena vs Bland Heel program going for a few months. I think you mean "Bland Cena vs. Heel"... which is why pro wrestling hasn't grown in a decade.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jan 14, 2015 5:16:10 GMT -5
How great would it be if Ric Flair appears at the Royal Rumble (an event where he won the World Title) & presents Cena with his 16th World Championship, after Cena wins the match? Could be a "passing of the torch" type thing..... maybe some confetti, since they're doing that a lot lately....
In my perfect booking scenario, Flair then kicks Cena in the nuts & does a 10 minute promo about "tradition" & how Cena isn't worthy of the honor..... then forms a stable of young guys determined to take Cena down.
Hey, I'm not going to fight the inevitable - Cena's probably going to have 2-3 more title reigns before he's done..... let's just get the most out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 5:18:35 GMT -5
How great would it be if Ric Flair appears at the Royal Rumble (an event where he won the World Title) & presents Cena with his 16th World Championship, after Cena wins the match? Could be a "passing of the torch" type thing..... maybe some confetti, since they're doing that a lot lately.... In my perfect booking scenario, Flair then kicks Cena in the nuts & does a 10 minute promo about "tradition" & how Cena isn't worthy of the honor..... then forms a stable of young guys determined to take Cena down. Hey, I'm not going to fight the inevitable - Cena's probably going to have 2-3 more title reigns before he's done..... let's just get the most out of it. Pass on that idea.
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Post by Valbroski on Jan 14, 2015 6:51:35 GMT -5
Eh he's going to anyway, there not gonna bring him of all people this close just to not do it. The only sad thing is now someday it'll be cenas record to beat.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 14, 2015 9:31:25 GMT -5
How great would it be if Ric Flair appears at the Royal Rumble (an event where he won the World Title) & presents Cena with his 16th World Championship, after Cena wins the match? Could be a "passing of the torch" type thing..... maybe some confetti, since they're doing that a lot lately.... In my perfect booking scenario, Flair then kicks Cena in the nuts & does a 10 minute promo about "tradition" & how Cena isn't worthy of the honor..... then forms a stable of young guys determined to take Cena down.
Hey, I'm not going to fight the inevitable - Cena's probably going to have 2-3 more title reigns before he's done..... let's just get the most out of it. Flair could kick Cena in the nuts, Seth Rollins could come out, cash-in, and win the title. Then I would be down. Dirtiest player in the game helps his old pal from Evolution get his chosen one the World Title. However, that ruins any kind of genuine moment Flair could share with Cena, and they are apparently close. So if you want Flair to be there for Cena when he hits 17 then you can't burn it on 16. I'd prefer Flair being a heel about the whole deal. It's how I'm sure a lot of athletes actually feel when their records are broken and it fits Flair's character for the better part of like 40 years. I don't expect any of that to happen but I'm not against Flair being involved.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 14, 2015 9:39:26 GMT -5
I don't really worry about it. The number of title wins is really irrelevant because you're not actually winning, you are being given the title by your company as an indication that you are THE MAN.
SO, being the fact that John Cena has drawn more money than any wrestler ever...and he is undoubtedly WWE's MAN....then YES, he probably should and WILL have the most title wins when it's all said and done.
I don't think it's a shot at Flair....I think it's just more and more evidence that John Cena is the WWE's top Superstar ever. And really, so LITTLE of Flair's history and success was actually in the WWF that I don't even think it matters. He was WWF Champ 2 times for a short time. Everything else he ever did was elsewhere. John Cena is a WWE homegrown talent and everything he's ever done and will do will be as a WWE superstar.
The MIZ has more days as WWE Champ in his one reign than Flair has in BOTH COMBINED reigns....so let's keep this in perspective here. Flair is one of the greatest World Champions of all time....just not in the WWF.
And honestly, we can cry BORING or SAME OLD SH*T and GIVE A YOUNG GUY A CHANCE.....but John Cena is a workhorse. John Cena is on every show, he does house shows still at his age, he does all the public appearances, all the charity events.
He could be part timing it by now and still be a top guy.....but he's always there. Do I wish sometimes his character was portrayed as a little less invincible? Yeah, but even the biggest John Cena haters have to respect his work ethic.
He's not Brock Lesnar sitting home with the title belt, that's for sure.
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Post by johnnyb on Jan 14, 2015 10:56:33 GMT -5
SO, being the fact that John Cena has drawn more money than any wrestler ever...and he is undoubtedly WWE's MAN....then YES, he probably should and WILL have the most title wins when it's all said and done. I don't think it's a shot at Flair.... I think it's just more and more evidence that John Cena is the WWE's top Superstar ever. And really, so LITTLE of Flair's history and success was actually in the WWF that I don't even think it matters. He was WWF Champ 2 times for a short time. Everything else he ever did was elsewhere. John Cena is a WWE homegrown talent and everything he's ever done and will do will be as a WWE superstar.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 14, 2015 11:29:26 GMT -5
SO, being the fact that John Cena has drawn more money than any wrestler ever...and he is undoubtedly WWE's MAN....then YES, he probably should and WILL have the most title wins when it's all said and done. I don't think it's a shot at Flair.... I think it's just more and more evidence that John Cena is the WWE's top Superstar ever. And really, so LITTLE of Flair's history and success was actually in the WWF that I don't even think it matters. He was WWF Champ 2 times for a short time. Everything else he ever did was elsewhere. John Cena is a WWE homegrown talent and everything he's ever done and will do will be as a WWE superstar. I said TOP Superstar....not best wrestler, not best performer, not even most entertaining....I said TOP Superstar. I don't think there is any debate that WWE PROMOTES John Cena as if he is the best ever. They recently did that article that called him the greatest WWE Champion of all time. John Cena is clearly the WWE's top guy based on his spot and how he's promoted.
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Post by dante123 on Jan 14, 2015 12:41:50 GMT -5
Didn't Nash hand Flair the title once? I think that was his last reign
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