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Post by BØRNS on Jan 22, 2015 0:35:37 GMT -5
It will be cool when the entire main roster has been NXT alumni (provided WWE continues their trend). I think that will completely revolutionize the wrestling industry if the entire main roster has passed through NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 0:36:50 GMT -5
This could be in the NXT thread.
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Post by rustyy on Jan 22, 2015 0:40:04 GMT -5
It'll be terrible and ruin any big surprise debuts. How special would it have been if Chris Jericho went to OVW or something before making an epic Raw debut? They don't let anything be special, everything is all planned.
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Post by Planktung on Jan 22, 2015 0:46:30 GMT -5
I think an even bigger deal, to me at least, would be the first NXT alumni to go into the Hall of Fame.
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Post by HVMMONS on Jan 22, 2015 0:57:13 GMT -5
This could be in the NXT thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 1:05:41 GMT -5
This could be in the NXT thread. So...the thread that doesn't promote a discussion (which it didn't before he edited the post, when I replied) doesn't belong in the thread for NXT?
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 22, 2015 1:40:24 GMT -5
This could be in the NXT thread. Chuck Bass??
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Jan 22, 2015 3:20:32 GMT -5
It'll be terrible and ruin any big surprise debuts. How special would it have been if Chris Jericho went to OVW or something before making an epic Raw debut? They don't let anything be special, everything is all planned. Let's face it though, who is left for there to debut? Sting was probably the last one. 20 years from now that will be even more true. Any indy star wouldn't get the same type of surprise debut reaction. If WWE builds up NXT properly, perhaps they can get that surprise debut reaction out of NXT stars (see The Shield).
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jan 22, 2015 4:07:05 GMT -5
It'll be terrible and ruin any big surprise debuts. How special would it have been if Chris Jericho went to OVW or something before making an epic Raw debut? They don't let anything be special, everything is all planned. It was a different time, though. There's no WCW anymore, there's no wrestler in the world which the casual WWE fan would know if they came over from another company. Jericho was part of a show which was BIGGER than WWE for two years. Every wrestling fan in the world knew who he was. There is literally no one that could have that kind of impact now. AJ Styles means nothing to WWE fans, El Generico, Kevin Steen, Prince Devitt, KENTA, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk meant nothing to WWE fans when they first announced their respective signings. Once they made their début they gained popularity very quickly, but they needed (yes, all of them) to go through the WWE developmental system so they could have a decent start (see: Mistico - Not only is he long gone, but the character has been sent back to NXT and made part of a tag team). There's no such thing as a big surprise début (especially now that Sting is here), you can't blame the developmental system for that.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Jan 22, 2015 4:25:40 GMT -5
It'll be terrible and ruin any big surprise debuts. How special would it have been if Chris Jericho went to OVW or something before making an epic Raw debut? They don't let anything be special, everything is all planned. It was a different time, though. There's no WCW anymore, there's no wrestler in the world which the casual WWE fan would know if they came over from another company. Jericho was part of a show which was BIGGER than WWE for two years. Every wrestling fan in the world knew who he was. There is literally no one that could have that kind of impact now. AJ Styles means nothing to WWE fans, El Generico, Kevin Steen, Prince Devitt, KENTA, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk meant nothing to WWE fans when they first announced their respective signings. Once they made their début they gained popularity very quickly, but they needed (yes, all of them) to go through the WWE developmental system so they could have a decent start (see: Mistico - Not only is he long gone, but the character has been sent back to NXT and made part of a tag team). There's no such thing as a big surprise début (especially now that Sting is here), you can't blame the developmental system for that. I think you hit the nail right on the head with this reply. Until there is another WCW out there, which will probably take 20 years or so. There isn't anyone big enough who hasn't already been in the WWE to give us that Jericho/Big Show/Radicals type of debut. Most Indy Guys today may know how to work the arena, but a lot of them need to learn how to project themselves to the Television audience sitting at home. The WWE is more about the Television Product than anything else. Now there are a few names currently out there who could skip past NXT and make their debut right on Raw, but they would have to be brought in while the WWE was in certain cities. For example Bobby Rude/AJ Styles/Samoa Joe could all conceivable make the jump right from TNA to the WWE but the average WWE wouldn't have a clue as to who they were. But if you had those guys debut somewhere like Chicago, or another "Smart" crowd then they would have huge help in getting over right away. Sadly with TNA getting smaller with each passing day an promotions like Lucha Underground and Ring of Honor not having primetime slots there really isn't anywhere guys and gals can go to truly make a name for themselves without any help from the WWE. As the Network gets bigger, so will the recognition that comes from being in NXT. One thing that could help guys and gals make an impact is how Paige was brought up. I don't remember there being any vignettes for her "Main Roster" debut. She was just there and handily beat AJ Lee for the Diva's Championship. Sadly after that the Main Roster creative really didn't have anything for her, but you could take her type of debut and really start to run with someone.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 6:06:08 GMT -5
It'll be terrible and ruin any big surprise debuts. How special would it have been if Chris Jericho went to OVW or something before making an epic Raw debut? They don't let anything be special, everything is all planned. It was a different time, though. There's no WCW anymore, there's no wrestler in the world which the casual WWE fan would know if they came over from another company. Jericho was part of a show which was BIGGER than WWE for two years. Every wrestling fan in the world knew who he was. There is literally no one that could have that kind of impact now. AJ Styles means nothing to WWE fans, El Generico, Kevin Steen, Prince Devitt, KENTA, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk meant nothing to WWE fans when they first announced their respective signings. Once they made their début they gained popularity very quickly, but they needed (yes, all of them) to go through the WWE developmental system so they could have a decent start (see: Mistico - Not only is he long gone, but the character has been sent back to NXT and made part of a tag team). There's no such thing as a big surprise début (especially now that Sting is here), you can't blame the developmental system for that. It wouldn't be impossible to have a big debut. Like if a major UFC star (like Liddel) signed on to WWE.
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Post by Tyler Black on Jan 22, 2015 6:20:29 GMT -5
It was a different time, though. There's no WCW anymore, there's no wrestler in the world which the casual WWE fan would know if they came over from another company. Jericho was part of a show which was BIGGER than WWE for two years. Every wrestling fan in the world knew who he was. There is literally no one that could have that kind of impact now. AJ Styles means nothing to WWE fans, El Generico, Kevin Steen, Prince Devitt, KENTA, Bryan Danielson and CM Punk meant nothing to WWE fans when they first announced their respective signings. Once they made their début they gained popularity very quickly, but they needed (yes, all of them) to go through the WWE developmental system so they could have a decent start (see: Mistico - Not only is he long gone, but the character has been sent back to NXT and made part of a tag team). There's no such thing as a big surprise début (especially now that Sting is here), you can't blame the developmental system for that. It wouldn't be impossible to have a big debut. Like if a major UFC star (like Liddel) signed on to WWE. But would you really care/be excited if a non wrestler made a surprise debut? I mean look what that did for TNA
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 6:40:40 GMT -5
It wouldn't be impossible to have a big debut. Like if a major UFC star (like Liddel) signed on to WWE. But would you really care/be excited if a non wrestler made a surprise debut? I mean look what that did for TNA I think it depends who. Shamrock worked.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 7:33:45 GMT -5
But would you really care/be excited if a non wrestler made a surprise debut? I mean look what that did for TNA I think it depends who. Shamrock worked. Shamrock was a pro wrestler on the indies in the late eighties known as Vince Torelli... He was doing dome awesome suplexes even back then...
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Post by Midnight on Jan 22, 2015 9:58:35 GMT -5
This could be in the NXT thread.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 22, 2015 11:37:01 GMT -5
It'll be terrible and ruin any big surprise debuts. How special would it have been if Chris Jericho went to OVW or something before making an epic Raw debut? They don't let anything be special, everything is all planned. I get where you're coming from, but with there being no WCW or ECW anymore, there isn't really anyone left who can jump to WWE and make an instant impact as a recognizable face. Sting was the only one but he doesn't need NXT since he's such a major star and will only work a match or two. AJ Styles might be the only other one, but that's still a longshot since TNA is a such a small pool compared to the WWE and NJPW is just catching on as big time in America.
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 22, 2015 14:36:39 GMT -5
I think it depends who. Shamrock worked. Shamrock was a pro wrestler on the indies in the late eighties known as Vince Torelli... He was doing dome awesome suplexes even back then... I never knew that he was once known as Vince Torelli
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jan 22, 2015 15:01:17 GMT -5
Shamrock was a pro wrestler on the indies in the late eighties known as Vince Torelli... He was doing dome awesome suplexes even back then... I never knew that he was once known as Vince Torelli Here it is!! I believe he was trained by Boris Malenko...?? I think that's right.
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Post by c-scope on Jan 22, 2015 15:11:09 GMT -5
I think an even bigger deal, to me at least, would be the first NXT alumni to go into the Hall of Fame. that would be a big seal it would probly be one of the guys that wer in the shield
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jan 22, 2015 22:06:38 GMT -5
This is exactly why all of the WWE Universe needs to be watching other companies as well. Bettering the industry as a whole will better the WWE.
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