famdamuxwl
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Post by famdamuxwl on Jan 29, 2015 22:04:04 GMT -5
Alright it's time to change the name of this board. From Pro-Wrestling - WWE to Pro Wrestling - Roman Reigns board. So many Roman Reigns topics dang! lol There are 2 topics about Reigns on the front page. Most topics are getting turned into Reigns hate threads though. that or they are being manipulated by the smark crowd here into hate threads. Is this good for WWE or bad for WWE? It has people talking... I just don't know what to think. I swear the crowd hates Roman more than Cena. I'm an opnionated person, but just don't know yet if this is good for business or bad for business. All I know is that I watched Smackdown for the 1st time in 5-6 years just to see what the reaction would be for Roman.
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Post by rustyy on Jan 29, 2015 23:29:38 GMT -5
No. The boos generally stemmed from Roman being a guy picked by the machine. He was, at one time an internet darling until that fact became known. Wrong. When it became clear he'd get the keys to the kingdom over his two infinitely more talented partners is when he was turned on by fans. Plus, even if he hadn't been with them, the fans would have realized he has no talent and booed him anyway. It was only a matter of time. Lastly, he'd never get cheered over a returning Bryan, not anytime soon anyway.
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Post by Flair Forever on Jan 30, 2015 8:45:46 GMT -5
They really screwed up by announcing Reigns as the only Rumble competitor for the first 3 weeks of Rumble hype, that was a really bad move.
If they had simply released all the Rumble names at once (or at least the majority) & allowed Reigns to shine through the rest, it definitely would have looked a lot less like he was the chosen one.... and probably would have been received a little bit better by the fans.
I think the fans are jeering the predictability & lack of surprise more than they are anti-Reigns.
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Post by TronViper on Jan 30, 2015 9:22:26 GMT -5
All I know is that I saw Smackdown live here in my town at the end of December and Roman was over with the live crowd like a mf'er! It's crazy what a month can do to a guy's rep. At first, I thought it just might have been the traditionally tough Philly crowd at the Rumble.....but then I watched Smackdown last night. And have been reading a lot of posts on various wrestling websites. I personally like Roman, do I think he is ready to be the "guy"? No, but I would like to see how he does on "The Grandest Stage Of Them All!". And of course, the WWE brass are going to change something about the situation. We will find out Monday but I don't want to get my hopes up that it will be good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 10:04:58 GMT -5
it was just about being disruptive. Exactly -- and really, that's a large part of the reason people chant for Daniel Bryan in the first place. "Because Vince doesn't want us to like him." Wrong. You have got to quit being so cynical or at least tone down the gimmick. No one likes it. Straight up. Your attitude is deplorable and it does nothing but bring threads down. Do you want to know why I support Daniel Bryan? He won me over with Team Hell No when he was putting on the best matches of the night and putting on funny promos. Not because he's an indy darling, not because I'm a smark. He won me over on his talent. I believe in Daniel Bryan and I'm going to keep chanting his name, I'm going to keep chanting YES!, I'm going to support him and I want to watch him rise again. Daniel Bryan never lost his title. That right there should have warranted him a rematch. If Rey Mysterio can win and lose the title to Cena in the same night, I don't see why Bryan can't get inserted into the main event at Mania. Lately it's become sort of cool to be anti-IWC or whatever that means. Dude, the IWC is made up of millions (and millions) of fans. Of course there's going to be some correlation in opinions and of course there's going to be some general steretypes. But maybe, just maybe, we believe in Daniel Bryan as a wrestler. Maybe we want to see one of our favorites make it to the top. Do you watch Football or any sport and hope your favorite team only makes it to the playoffs? Of course not. You support your favorite and want him to do the best possible. I judge talent based on what they bring to WWE. But so what if someone has supported someone since their indy days? Do you know how incredible it is to watch someone grow as a performer? And so what if they want them to succeed? That doesn't make them a "darling" that makes them a wrestler who gained fans by having talent. Frankly I am tired of reading comments like this from you and other posters. So what if I'm not totally on board with Reigns? Would you be okay if another sports team was ahead of your favorite? I doubt it. I like Reigns. However, I would much rather see someone like Bryan or even Ambrose in his place. That doesn't make me wrong or a stupid mark. That makes me a fan. Hell, you're not wrong for supporting Reigns or Cena (though I never saw you support Reigns before he became widely criticized in perhaps a vain attempt to stick it to the IWC) All I'm trying to say is that we as wrestling fans really need to stop nonsense such as hating each other for having different views. It's silly. You love Cena and I respect that, there's nothing wrong with that. But some people don't and there's nothing wrong with that either. Straight up, man. If you learn to relax and not let others opinions bother you so much, you'll enjoy wrestling and other things a lot more. That being said, we are aloud to voice our displeasure and our opinons. Disagreeing with us does not make us wrong but a respectful debate is totally okay. Keyword being respectful. The anti-IWC shtick is old and tired and pointless. We are all different voices in the same room as wrestling fans. Some are just a little louder than others I suppose, but their view is just as relevant as the most quiet. Sorry for the rant but the attiude around here since Sunday is ridiculous.
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Post by FBtagteamsrule on Jan 30, 2015 12:51:28 GMT -5
That's news to me. Because I remember people loving The Shield but 100% of the reason was because it was a vehicle to get Rollins and Ambrose TV time. I do not remember a time when Reigns was a general consensus top 5 or 10 favorite of the majority. Sounds like you have a pretty selective memory. sorta remember it the same way. never watched indy or nxt wrestling so had no idea who the 3 were but when the shield arrived in wwe all i saw on this site was ppl talking about how great ambrose and rollins were and wondering y they brought reigns up with them.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 30, 2015 13:23:52 GMT -5
I think it would have given more time for the WWE to gradually push him. Rather than him coming back to to the generic "star goes over giant" storyline going then winning the rumble, Reigns has already been given too much in a short space of time. the fans were clearly unhappy that Reigns was being billed as the next Cena and it was obvious a hostile Philly crowd was going to tarnish the victory.
I just hope Reigns inevitable heel turn doesnt upstage Seth.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jan 30, 2015 13:28:37 GMT -5
Exactly -- and really, that's a large part of the reason people chant for Daniel Bryan in the first place. "Because Vince doesn't want us to like him." Wrong. You have got to quit being so cynical or at least tone down the gimmick. No one likes it. Straight up. Your attitude is deplorable and it does nothing but bring threads down. Do you want to know why I support Daniel Bryan? He won me over with Team Hell No when he was putting on the best matches of the night and putting on funny promos. Not because he's an indy darling, not because I'm a smark. He won me over on his talent. I believe in Daniel Bryan and I'm going to keep chanting his name, I'm going to keep chanting YES!, I'm going to support him and I want to watch him rise again. Daniel Bryan never lost his title. That right there should have warranted him a rematch. If Rey Mysterio can win and lose the title to Cena in the same night, I don't see why Bryan can't get inserted into the main event at Mania. Lately it's become sort of cool to be anti-IWC or whatever that means. Dude, the IWC is made up of millions (and millions) of fans. Of course there's going to be some correlation in opinions and of course there's going to be some general steretypes. But maybe, just maybe, we believe in Daniel Bryan as a wrestler. Maybe we want to see one of our favorites make it to the top. Do you watch Football or any sport and hope your favorite team only makes it to the playoffs? Of course not. You support your favorite and want him to do the best possible. I judge talent based on what they bring to WWE. But so what if someone has supported someone since their indy days? Do you know how incredible it is to watch someone grow as a performer? And so what if they want them to succeed? That doesn't make them a "darling" that makes them a wrestler who gained fans by having talent. Frankly I am tired of reading comments like this from you and other posters. So what if I'm not totally on board with Reigns? Would you be okay if another sports team was ahead of your favorite? I doubt it. I like Reigns. However, I would much rather see someone like Bryan or even Ambrose in his place. That doesn't make me wrong or a stupid mark. That makes me a fan. Hell, you're not wrong for supporting Reigns or Cena (though I never saw you support Reigns before he became widely criticized in perhaps a vain attempt to stick it to the IWC) All I'm trying to say is that we as wrestling fans really need to stop nonsense such as hating each other for having different views. It's silly. You love Cena and I respect that, there's nothing wrong with that. But some people don't and there's nothing wrong with that either. Straight up, man. If you learn to relax and not let others opinions bother you so much, you'll enjoy wrestling and other things a lot more. That being said, we are aloud to voice our displeasure and our opinons. Disagreeing with us does not make us wrong but a respectful debate is totally okay. Keyword being respectful. The anti-IWC shtick is old and tired and pointless. We are all different voices in the same room as wrestling fans. Some are just a little louder than others I suppose, but their view is just as relevant as the most quiet. Sorry for the rant but the attiude around here since Sunday is ridiculous. I agree with pretty much every single word. Especially the bit about not supporting Roman Reigns until fans really started to give him backlash. It's all a gimmick. But I also love how you pointed out that he's not wrong for supporting Cena and Reigns. Beautiful stuff that sums up how a LOT of us feel.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 30, 2015 13:37:24 GMT -5
We were told for months Batista would win the Rumble.. We were told for months that Reigns would win the Rumble.. I would just like it if one year, we didn't already know who was going to win the Royal Rumble MONTHS before the Rumble.. All the joy of the Royal Rumble has been sucked out of it, because it's no longer months of speculation it's months of spoiling the Rumble match. That's why people were upset.. Because they already knew the outcome.. I agree. The last few years the Wrestlemania cards have just become far too predictable. I don't like being able to sit home and and think of what the Wrestlemania matches will be and end up being right. This means that WWE is taking the lazy and predictable rout of their tipping their hand so clearly that there are never any surprises and we pretty much know by SummerSlam every year EXACTLY what the Wrestlemania card is going to be. WWE needs to get more creative, less predictable, and stop playing so lazy and safe.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 14:21:12 GMT -5
Exactly -- and really, that's a large part of the reason people chant for Daniel Bryan in the first place. "Because Vince doesn't want us to like him." Wrong. You have got to quit being so cynical or at least tone down the gimmick. No one likes it. Straight up. Your attitude is deplorable and it does nothing but bring threads down. Do you want to know why I support Daniel Bryan? He won me over with Team Hell No when he was putting on the best matches of the night and putting on funny promos. Not because he's an indy darling, not because I'm a smark. He won me over on his talent. I believe in Daniel Bryan and I'm going to keep chanting his name, I'm going to keep chanting YES!, I'm going to support him and I want to watch him rise again. Daniel Bryan never lost his title. That right there should have warranted him a rematch. If Rey Mysterio can win and lose the title to Cena in the same night, I don't see why Bryan can't get inserted into the main event at Mania. Lately it's become sort of cool to be anti-IWC or whatever that means. Dude, the IWC is made up of millions (and millions) of fans. Of course there's going to be some correlation in opinions and of course there's going to be some general steretypes. But maybe, just maybe, we believe in Daniel Bryan as a wrestler. Maybe we want to see one of our favorites make it to the top. Do you watch Football or any sport and hope your favorite team only makes it to the playoffs? Of course not. You support your favorite and want him to do the best possible. I judge talent based on what they bring to WWE. But so what if someone has supported someone since their indy days? Do you know how incredible it is to watch someone grow as a performer? And so what if they want them to succeed? That doesn't make them a "darling" that makes them a wrestler who gained fans by having talent. Frankly I am tired of reading comments like this from you and other posters. So what if I'm not totally on board with Reigns? Would you be okay if another sports team was ahead of your favorite? I doubt it. I like Reigns. However, I would much rather see someone like Bryan or even Ambrose in his place. That doesn't make me wrong or a stupid mark. That makes me a fan. Hell, you're not wrong for supporting Reigns or Cena (though I never saw you support Reigns before he became widely criticized in perhaps a vain attempt to stick it to the IWC) All I'm trying to say is that we as wrestling fans really need to stop nonsense such as hating each other for having different views. It's silly. You love Cena and I respect that, there's nothing wrong with that. But some people don't and there's nothing wrong with that either. Straight up, man. If you learn to relax and not let others opinions bother you so much, you'll enjoy wrestling and other things a lot more. That being said, we are aloud to voice our displeasure and our opinons. Disagreeing with us does not make us wrong but a respectful debate is totally okay. Keyword being respectful. The anti-IWC shtick is old and tired and pointless. We are all different voices in the same room as wrestling fans. Some are just a little louder than others I suppose, but their view is just as relevant as the most quiet. Sorry for the rant but the attiude around here since Sunday is ridiculous. Wow.....brilliance. Well done man
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jan 30, 2015 18:15:18 GMT -5
Exactly -- and really, that's a large part of the reason people chant for Daniel Bryan in the first place. "Because Vince doesn't want us to like him." Wrong. Nope -- if you don't see it, it might be one of those woods for the trees situations (or you've read a negative connotation into what I said and disputed it for that reason), but there's a very direct correlation between fervently supporting Bryan/Ziggler/Ambrose/Cesaro (for the most part, people who love one darling enough to do cancelwwenetwork hashtags love them all) and complaining that Cena/Reigns are "shoved down our throats." There's absolutely a rage against the machine aspect to it. It's going to make it quite interesting with Seth Rollins going forward. He is firmly in the darling camp, but he's also very clearly a guy that WWE are backing all the way so I'm intrigued to see what happens when he eventually turns babyface. Same here. Bryan's awesome -- but I can like a wrestler without thinking the promotion has to make him win the main event every night forever and ever. The only strong reason not to just throw him in is that it happened the same way last year so it'd kind of be a lame retread -- for me personally, I'd rather see Bryan vs Lesnar one on one, be it at WrestleMania or another event. But say Bryan gets added as a triple threat, and loses (or wins and gets cashed in on), then what? Is anyone else ever allowed a shot at the top? What does it mean? I don't use the term. Already covered above -- Edge was my favourite. I didn't send WWE angry tweets because they booked Undertaker to beat him. Bryan's my favourite some nights. I don't need him to win every time. Cena's one of my favourites and his losses are often great fun (MitB 11, SummerSlam 13 & 14 etc). Just like in any TV show, it's possible to enjoy scenes where your favourite character doesn't get what they want. Al Bundy never won. The Always Sunny gang rarely win, and they book their own angles. Hell, when a character does have a great moment of triumph on TV or in a movie, it means nothing if there wasn't adversity leading up to it. Isn't that why people hate Cena playing the underdog card, because he doesn't go through enough adversity to justify it? Stick it to who? Way to go there respecting other fans opinions and motives, guy -- but no. If you go back to "who is your favourite member of The Shield?" threads from about a year ago (I think the big Dean Ambrose fan was posting them a lot during the breakup teases), I was posting Reigns gifs like a boss. I've been a fan since day one. Well, since day one of the apron dropkick. I don't hate anyone for having different views. I apologise if I gave you that impression. I love it. Do not take my acerbic tone as hatred, it's not intended as such. Essentially, those posts are saying "are you SURE you should be taking tv wrestling this seriously and getting so upset by what happens in it?" The reason you're upset with me is that I already enjoy wrestling (besides the boring rematches) and try to get the people who watch it but don't enjoy it to lighten up. I wasn't outraged with the result on Sunday night. So more salient advice is: You need to learn to relax and not let your favourite not winning every night bother you so much, you'll enjoy wrestling a lot more. That's been my point all along. You're right about that much. Agreed wholeheartedly. PS sorry if there are any weird typos/grammar in this post, I'm typing it on the world's slowest tablet, and autocorrect might be doing either too much or not enough. I've tried to proofread it but it's nigh on impossible so let me know if I've started typing in the middle of quotes etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 18:27:35 GMT -5
Nope -- if you don't see it, it might be one of those woods for the trees situations (or you've read a negative connotation into what I said and disputed it for that reason), but there's a very direct correlation between fervently supporting Bryan/Ziggler/Ambrose/Cesaro (for the most part, people who love one darling enough to do cancelwwenetwork hashtags love them all) and complaining that Cena/Reigns are "shoved down our throats." There's absolutely a rage against the machine aspect to it. It's going to make it quite interesting with Seth Rollins going forward. He is firmly in the darling camp, but he's also very clearly a guy that WWE are backing all the way so I'm intrigued to see what happens when he eventually turns babyface. Same here. Bryan's awesome -- but I can like a wrestler without thinking the promotion has to make him win the main event every night forever and ever. The only strong reason not to just throw him in is that it happened the same way last year so it'd kind of be a lame retread -- for me personally, I'd rather see Bryan vs Lesnar one on one, be it at WrestleMania or another event. But say Bryan gets added as a triple threat, and loses (or wins and gets cashed in on), then what? Is anyone else ever allowed a shot at the top? What does it mean? I don't use the term. Already covered above -- Edge was my favourite. I didn't send WWE angry tweets because they booked Undertaker to beat him. Bryan's my favourite some nights. I don't need him to win every time. Cena's one of my favourites and his losses are often great fun (MitB 11, SummerSlam 13 & 14 etc). Just like in any TV show, it's possible to enjoy scenes where your favourite character doesn't get what they want. Al Bundy never won. The Always Sunny gang rarely win, and they book their own angles. Hell, when a character does have a great moment of triumph on TV or in a movie, it means nothing if there wasn't adversity leading up to it. Isn't that why people hate Cena playing the underdog card, because he doesn't go through enough adversity to justify it? Stick it to who? Way to go there respecting other fans opinions and motives, guy -- but no. If you go back to "who is your favourite member of The Shield?" threads from about a year ago (I think the big Dean Ambrose fan was posting them a lot during the breakup teases), I was posting Reigns gifs like a boss. I've been a fan since day one. Well, since day one of the apron dropkick. I don't hate anyone for having different views. I apologise if I gave you that impression. I love it. Do not take my acerbic tone as hatred, it's not intended as such. Essentially, those posts are saying "are you SURE you should be taking tv wrestling this seriously and getting so upset by what happens in it?" The reason you're upset with me is that I already enjoy wrestling (besides the boring rematches) and try to get the people who watch it but don't enjoy it to lighten up. I wasn't outraged with the result on Sunday night. So more salient advice is: You need to learn to relax and not let your favourite not winning every night bother you so much, you'll enjoy wrestling a lot more. That's been my point all along. You're right about that much. Agreed wholeheartedly. PS sorry if there are any weird typos/grammar in this post, I'm typing it on the world's slowest tablet, and autocorrect might be doing either too much or not enough. I've tried to proofread it but it's nigh on impossible so let me know if I've started typing in the middle of quotes etc. I'm not sure how to quote things like you did so I won't but I'll respond Personally, I've never done the rage against the machine thing so I can't really speak on this subject. I don't think Bryan has to always win but I feel it could have been handled better in the Rumble. Though in hindsight it was made to look Wyatt great and it did. I feel that as a champion who never lost Bryan should at least get a shot at the title or if nothing else, he can wrestle whoever comes out of WM as champion and I'm pretty sure it'll be Rollins. That'd give us a triple feud of Reigns, Rollins, and Bryan. I've never seen you use that term specifically however I've seen the attitude before on other sites and sometimes here. And neither did I when Jeff Hardy lost a lot. I didn't get angry or let it ruin my day, however I still wanted him to succeed (though we all know Jeff's his own worst enemy) I had never seen you support Reigns until now so I apologize. If you're a fan, more power to you. It's sometimes hard to figure out tone in text so it could have been taken out of context or misread. I'm not upset with you with you for that. I and other members have been/where upset with you with the way you worded your posts. If you enjoy it, that's great, but sometimes the way you word your posts come across as condescending. Grammar looked okay with me.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jan 30, 2015 19:17:40 GMT -5
We were told for months Batista would win the Rumble.. We were told for months that Reigns would win the Rumble.. I would just like it if one year, we didn't already know who was going to win the Royal Rumble MONTHS before the Rumble.. All the joy of the Royal Rumble has been sucked out of it, because it's no longer months of speculation it's months of spoiling the Rumble match. That's why people were upset.. Because they already knew the outcome.. I agree. The last few years the Wrestlemania cards have just become far too predictable. I don't like being able to sit home and and think of what the Wrestlemania matches will be and end up being right. This means that WWE is taking the lazy and predictable rout of their tipping their hand so clearly that there are never any surprises and we pretty much know by SummerSlam every year EXACTLY what the Wrestlemania card is going to be. WWE needs to get more creative, less predictable, and stop playing so lazy and safe. I personally see it as there were two predictable outcomes for the Rumble and they both were completely opposite in terms perspective. First obvious scenario dozens of people said A) Roman Reigns wins the Rumble. He goes on to face the Beast Brock Lesnar. Winning the championship and becoming the New Face of the WWE. But the crowd would (and currently are) sh*tting all over it. A predictable outcome the crowd would turn on. Then the second obvious scenario was B) Daniel Bryan returns to win the Rumble. Goes to Mania to face the Beast Brock Lesnar. David Vs Goliath for the WWE Championship that Bryan never lost. This scenario the fans wanted to see more than anything. It just made sense. WWE needs to realize, if you are going to go the predictable route, then go with the one the fans will enjoy. Just like Jericho/Edge at Mania 26.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Jan 30, 2015 19:55:27 GMT -5
If anything he should have gotten better during his time off. But he still sucks in the ring and is a joke on the mic. Exactly. Not having the break for the injury, wouldn't have made the slightest bit of difference... he's just not very good.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 21:20:44 GMT -5
If Reigns hadn't gotten hurt, then Rollins and Ambrose wouldn't have moved up and people would just be booing him for that instead of being angry about Bryan. When Rollins fist turned heel on the Shield, it looked as if he and Ambrose were meant to have a midcard feud while Reigns dealt with "the bigger threat" of Triple H and Randy Orton.
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Post by Robert69 on Jan 30, 2015 21:28:59 GMT -5
What the hell is this?!? I leave for ONE DAY and people are having civil, respectable conversations, with differing points of view???...
This is the internet, people...FIGHT!
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