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Post by Jonathan Karate on Feb 5, 2015 8:31:12 GMT -5
You guys are insane. I'll take Undertaker/Wyatt over no Undertaker at all. People have been bitching that Taker should retire for years and I'll admit that i did at one point too. But then i saw him and Punk tear the house down live in front of 80,000 people and since then i don't care what Taker does. If he shows up then great im hype as . If he doesnt then great im glad he's happy not wrestling. Either way the Undertaker is still something special (streak or no streak) and I'll take anything he is willing to give us. Unless Taker goes out there and stinks the joint out this year (without having a severe concussion to blame) with Bray then my feelings will not change on this topic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 8:54:34 GMT -5
The Undertaker can still contribute a lot to the future of the business.
Taker Vs Bray at Mania would be a massively important match for both men, not least for The Undertaker. Who for 6 years (with the exception of CM Punk) has had to co-headline 'Mania with someone of equal legendary status. With Takers Streak being the main focal point of each Wrestlemania match, the formula has got stale.
I firmly believe The Streak died at WM30. But many say that Takers relevance also died in New Orleans, I don't believe that.
Say for arguments sake, Undertaker can still go another 2-3 'Manias, those years can now be invested by pairing Taker with future talent. And Bray Wyatt is an easy choice from a character standpoint. Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Daniel Bryan, even a rematch with Brock Lesnar could all get the best out of the ageing Undertaker over the next few years.
The end of the streak and the pairing of Taker with future talent at Wrestlemania turns the old predictability of the Streak into a fresh new uncertainty of whether Undertaker could overcome these dominant up-and-comers in his ageing years. Anyone who defeated The Deadman would still get a hell of a rub regardless of the Streak already being over, and anyone who Undertaker defeated would not suffer as much damage to their momentum due to Undertaker's status as 'The Greatest Wrestlemania Performer of them all'. Just an idea.
It also free's up Undertaker to appear at shows other than Wrestlemania, although with his schedule over previous years this seem's unlikely.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Feb 5, 2015 9:03:57 GMT -5
"Bray, after you lose to the Undertaker you'll be the hottest heel in wrestling."
"Explain to me how losing to a 49 year old man will make me the hottest heel in wrestling."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 9:10:33 GMT -5
"Bray, after you lose to the Undertaker you'll be the hottest heel in wrestling." "Explain to me how losing to a 49 year old man will make me the hottest heel in wrestling." The same way CM Punk would have been had he continued his run as a heel into a rematch with 'Taker the following year. He was despised within 6 weeks leading up to WM29, largely due to the Paul Bearer angle, imagine if he had another 12 months of momentum! Bray Wyatt would ride that 12 month wave and make it possibly the most cryptically relevant feud in WWE history, and a highly relevant feud towards WWEs future. A man who has lost clean at least once in nearly every high profile feud he has taken part in so far, a defeat to the Undertaker would do nothing to hinder Wyatt.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 9:11:53 GMT -5
"Bray, after you lose to the Undertaker you'll be the hottest heel in wrestling." "Explain to me how losing to a 49 year old man will make me the hottest heel in wrestling." "Because I said so god damn it!! Now get on your knees and earn your keep around here just like Shawn had to back in the day"
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 5, 2015 9:22:22 GMT -5
Here's the catch for me, if I thought Bray was going over Taker at Mania I would be super on board. I think Bray would/will definitely lose though, is my problem. That being said, this is the biggest match Bray can possibly have at Mania. So win or lose, this is as high profile as it gets for him. So you have to view it like the Punk situation, is it better to get Wyatt in a top billed match that he'll lose, or put him in a less significant match where he'll just meaninglessly, for the most part, go over. If he hadn't lost to Cena last year and had that feud, I would be in full support of him going down against Taker this year. However, that match and feud did happen and I think it's a slippery slope for him. They've gotten Bray back on track but it's a house of cards right now.
Also, he was supposed to face Bryan, apparently, at Fastlane to help build his stock for Taker and Mania. He's not going to get that match now. Unless they are going to feed a returning Orton to him and let Rollins run-in, there isn't anyway for Bray to get that good credible win at Fastlane now. Bray looked like a beast in the Rumble imo, even with his insignificant elimination. The Bryan situation, and their indecisiveness over it, has made Bray sort of collateral damage, sadly. So I'm struggling with that portion of it too.
To be clear, my issue isn't with Taker. The streak being over shouldn't mean he's done if he can still go and wants to go. Last year gets a pass for me because of the concussion and Brock and Taker have too similar of styles anyway and didn't have any kind of gimmick to lean on, which helps Taker a lot at this stage. So I think if he does like a street fight or casket match with Bray that it can still be entertaining as hell. If it's not good, well, then we start having that talk about him needing to walk away. I'm not there yet personally though just because of what happened with Brock. Once can be an anomaly, two or three times is a trend.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 5, 2015 9:56:28 GMT -5
"Bray, after you lose to the Undertaker you'll be the hottest heel in wrestling." "Explain to me how losing to a 49 year old man will make me the hottest heel in wrestling." The same way CM Punk would have been had he continued his run as a heel into a rematch with 'Taker the following year. He was despised within 6 weeks leading up to WM29, largely due to the Paul Bearer angle, imagine if he had another 12 months of momentum! Bray Wyatt would ride that 12 month wave and make it possibly the most cryptically relevant feud in WWE history, and a highly relevant feud towards WWEs future. A man who has lost clean at least once in nearly every high profile feud he has taken part in so far, a defeat to the Undertaker would do nothing to hinder Wyatt. I get what you're trying to say about Punk, but I think you're wrong. Punk was at the end of his heel run, since turning at Raw 1000, and lost to Rock twice, Cena, and Taker, all within a span of 10 mins (figuratively speaking). Taker put Punk down. There was nothing left for him to come back from after he lost to Taker at Mania because that was the payoff of the PB angle. Punk needed that win against Taker to look credible more than anyone since Orton imo, and instead they capped it off. That was fine, I had no issue with it since Punk was taking time off anyway, but there wasn't any ammunition for Punk to turn around and chase Taker after the loss. Also, that angle only works if the payoff is eventually Punk, or Bray in the situation this year, goes over Taker, which wasn't going to happen. They have to protect Bray in the finish if they want to protect Bray moving forward. They already did the Mania 27 angle with Hunter, wherein Taker won but couldn't walk away. So they would have to just repeat that or do something similar for Bray to actually build steam from a loss. It's kind of a lot to hope for imo. If you could guarantee me Bray would get the win back at SummerSlam or Survivor Series or at Mania 32, I'm 100% with you, but that to me is a big "if" situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 10:05:58 GMT -5
I was interested in his promos for all of a month, but for the past, what, 10 month I've found him so boring. It was cool to begin with but now it's just a drag listening to him imo. Combined with his average in ring performances he's got a lot to do to win me over again.
That being said, I always look forward to whatever Undertaker does this time of year so I look forward to it.
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Post by RV F'N D on Feb 5, 2015 11:08:52 GMT -5
I didn't like the streak ending, but if they had to do it I still say Bray should have been the one, he could have rode that for a long time. No matter if he faces Taker or not they have got to figure out how to make those amazing promos translate into stuff that he actually does. So far, he is a monster that hasn't really done anything terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 13:22:59 GMT -5
The same way CM Punk would have been had he continued his run as a heel into a rematch with 'Taker the following year. He was despised within 6 weeks leading up to WM29, largely due to the Paul Bearer angle, imagine if he had another 12 months of momentum! Bray Wyatt would ride that 12 month wave and make it possibly the most cryptically relevant feud in WWE history, and a highly relevant feud towards WWEs future. A man who has lost clean at least once in nearly every high profile feud he has taken part in so far, a defeat to the Undertaker would do nothing to hinder Wyatt. I get what you're trying to say about Punk, but I think you're wrong. Punk was at the end of his heel run, since turning at Raw 1000, and lost to Rock twice, Cena, and Taker, all within a span of 10 mins (figuratively speaking). Taker put Punk down. There was nothing left for him to come back from after he lost to Taker at Mania because that was the payoff of the PB angle. Punk needed that win against Taker to look credible more than anyone since Orton imo, and instead they capped it off. That was fine, I had no issue with it since Punk was taking time off anyway, but there wasn't any ammunition for Punk to turn around and chase Taker after the loss. Also, that angle only works if the payoff is eventually Punk, or Bray in the situation this year, goes over Taker, which wasn't going to happen. They have to protect Bray in the finish if they want to protect Bray moving forward. They already did the Mania 27 angle with Hunter, wherein Taker won but couldn't walk away. So they would have to just repeat that or do something similar for Bray to actually build steam from a loss. It's kind of a lot to hope for imo. If you could guarantee me Bray would get the win back at SummerSlam or Survivor Series or at Mania 32, I'm 100% with you, but that to me is a big "if" situation. I maintain that Punk could have turned heel again, or even stayed heel throughout 2013. Imagine if he was positioned where Orton was throughout the Bryan feud, before dropping the belt before the 'Mania build for his rematch with Undertaker. Authority CM Punk would have made for the most absorbing heel in the business opposite the likes of Daniel Bryan, totally beats the 5 months spent treading water in that awful feud with Heyman/Ryback/Axel and (breifly) Brock. Punk may not have had a lot left to achieve as a heel in 2013, but it would have been a lot more than he achieved as a face during that time. I agree 100% that if the ending of the Wyatt/Taker match was designed to protect both Wyatt and Takers nearly flawless record it would work out a lot more beneficial in the future for both guys. The only way would be akin to WM27 as you said, with Taker winning but being unable to walk from the ring. That outcome would mean The Deadman has medically limped out of 2 back to back 'Manias though, which seems unlikely as it doesn't do a lot to enhance his status in any way other than weaken the image that the Streak helped build. On the other hand, it would work wonders for Bray Wyatts long term credibility.
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Post by TronViper on Feb 5, 2015 13:36:50 GMT -5
He is definitely hinting at The Undertaker. Last week on Smackdown he said in a promo that he fears nothing, living or dead. And then on Raw, saying that face of fear line. I think it would be an amazing match. Hopefully on par with the CM Punk 'Mania match. I can see Taker going over Bray, but not killing Bray's momentum.
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Post by K5 on Feb 5, 2015 13:45:56 GMT -5
have undertaker just play a clint eastwood style character ala gran torino (yes, that gif of him on the last page reminded me of that idea).
they just need to add a new dynamic to his story, and voila.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 5, 2015 14:19:31 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to say about Punk, but I think you're wrong. Punk was at the end of his heel run, since turning at Raw 1000, and lost to Rock twice, Cena, and Taker, all within a span of 10 mins (figuratively speaking). Taker put Punk down. There was nothing left for him to come back from after he lost to Taker at Mania because that was the payoff of the PB angle. Punk needed that win against Taker to look credible more than anyone since Orton imo, and instead they capped it off. That was fine, I had no issue with it since Punk was taking time off anyway, but there wasn't any ammunition for Punk to turn around and chase Taker after the loss. Also, that angle only works if the payoff is eventually Punk, or Bray in the situation this year, goes over Taker, which wasn't going to happen. They have to protect Bray in the finish if they want to protect Bray moving forward. They already did the Mania 27 angle with Hunter, wherein Taker won but couldn't walk away. So they would have to just repeat that or do something similar for Bray to actually build steam from a loss. It's kind of a lot to hope for imo. If you could guarantee me Bray would get the win back at SummerSlam or Survivor Series or at Mania 32, I'm 100% with you, but that to me is a big "if" situation. I maintain that Punk could have turned heel again, or even stayed heel throughout 2013. Imagine if he was positioned where Orton was throughout the Bryan feud, before dropping the belt before the 'Mania build for his rematch with Undertaker. Authority CM Punk would have made for the most absorbing heel in the business opposite the likes of Daniel Bryan, totally beats the 5 months spent treading water in that awful feud with Heyman/Ryback/Axel and (breifly) Brock. Punk may not have had a lot left to achieve as a heel in 2013, but it would have been a lot more than he achieved as a face during that time. I agree 100% that if the ending of the Wyatt/Taker match was designed to protect both Wyatt and Takers nearly flawless record it would work out a lot more beneficial in the future for both guys. The only way would be akin to WM27 as you said, with Taker winning but being unable to walk from the ring. That outcome would mean The Deadman has medically limped out of 2 back to back 'Manias though, which seems unlikely as it doesn't do a lot to enhance his status in any way other than weaken the image that the Streak helped build. On the other hand, it would work wonders for Bray Wyatts long term credibility. No argument there. Damn waste, even with the Heyman and Punk back-and-fourth. Punk was working on fumes and what he was doing wasn't motivating him at all. The Brock match at SummerSlam was awesome though. If for nothing else, his face run was worth it for that one match imo. I do question whether an Authority Punk would have worked or if it would be too much like Austin after Mania 17. Punk, even as a heel, is so very naturally anti-establishment. I would have LOVED him in that Orton spot, but Punk and then HHH and Stephanie being all on the same page would have been interesting, to say the least.
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Post by jacktunney on Feb 5, 2015 14:39:20 GMT -5
I think people way overthing the outcomes and the effects to the point where it negatively impacts how much you enjoy the show. If you can't sit back and enjoy what is one of (or could possibly the last) taker performance, especially at mania because you are worried about who goes "over" then that kinda sucks
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 7:06:56 GMT -5
Taker's gonna start a new losing streak..
I dont see the point in Taker wrestling again given that the steak is no longer intact. Bray gets nothing out of a loss to Taker, and another loss would further devalue the streak & Brock's win.
Given that, a Taker/Bray match would still likely be awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 7:17:50 GMT -5
It wasn't subliminal at all. He's clearly calling out the Undertaker. Unless this still counts as the "face of fear"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 11:00:32 GMT -5
I wonder if they will post 21-2 all over the titantrons if Bray wins.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 6, 2015 11:43:58 GMT -5
I wonder if they will post 21-2 all over the titantrons if Bray wins. He would be the "2" in 21 and 2 lmao. That's why Bray's not winning. They can't figure out the marketing of it.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Feb 6, 2015 13:21:55 GMT -5
Everyone's expecting Bray vs Undertaker, I'd much prefer Bray vs Orton.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 14:13:11 GMT -5
This may be unpopular but I have no interest in Bray vs Taker. I also didn't enjoy the Punk match and thought he looked AWFUL last year(and during the run in) LONG before the concussion.
I would prefer UT just hang them up now.....although he does need an official sendoff.
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