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Post by The Mask of Truth on Feb 11, 2015 0:06:47 GMT -5
I don't really have an opinion on this Beck situation, but I have to shake my head at the people calling Kanye West a talentless hack. He's designed sneakers for both Nike and Adidas, directed a feature-length film, and his 808's album inspired the sound of every rapper and R&B singer for the last six years. Very few musicians have that type of influence ranging across so many different mediums. And if you're beef is that you don't think he's a real musician, look into his production work on the Dark Twisted Fantasy album. He's a socially awkward dick, sure, but to deny that he has talent at this point is just silly. But is it fair to say that music these days requires less raw talent than it did in the 90's? And I truly don't believe his sound inspired anyone, all the garbage on the radio sounds the same these days, and it's hard to distinguish one rapper from another. Hell I remember when every artist had their own unique style/sound.
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Post by Yayo on Feb 11, 2015 13:04:59 GMT -5
I don't really have an opinion on this Beck situation, but I have to shake my head at the people calling Kanye West a talentless hack. He's designed sneakers for both Nike and Adidas, directed a feature-length film, and his 808's album inspired the sound of every rapper and R&B singer for the last six years. Very few musicians have that type of influence ranging across so many different mediums. And if you're beef is that you don't think he's a real musician, look into his production work on the Dark Twisted Fantasy album. He's a socially awkward dick, sure, but to deny that he has talent at this point is just silly. You're absolutely right. You're also talking to the completely wrong crowd for any of that to make sense, though. You can talk about how he's a fashion designer as well as director, but almost everyone here will respond with "yeah, but can he play the ukulele?!"
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Post by attitudesback on Feb 11, 2015 17:22:53 GMT -5
Man. In his genre, Kanye is one of the greatest of all time. what he said was right by the way too. People talk about doing "a Beyoncé" because of the way her album was released and the impact it had. No way was Beck the truly deserving man to win that award.
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Post by attitudesback on Feb 11, 2015 17:25:35 GMT -5
I don't really have an opinion on this Beck situation, but I have to shake my head at the people calling Kanye West a talentless hack. He's designed sneakers for both Nike and Adidas, directed a feature-length film, and his 808's album inspired the sound of every rapper and R&B singer for the last six years. Very few musicians have that type of influence ranging across so many different mediums. And if you're beef is that you don't think he's a real musician, look into his production work on the Dark Twisted Fantasy album. He's a socially awkward dick, sure, but to deny that he has talent at this point is just silly. But is it fair to say that music these days requires less raw talent than it did in the 90's? And I truly don't believe his sound inspired anyone, all the garbage on the radio sounds the same these days, and it's hard to distinguish one rapper from another. Hell I remember when every artist had their own unique style/sound. Rappers are incredibly different. Different flows, word play, context, there's a million different sub-genres. The point about Beck being able to play instruments is moot because any old idiot could pick up a guitar, it takes a true genius to creat something critically acclaimed and recognised as a truly fantastic body of work. (Something Kanye has done 6 times.) I don't know about Beck so I won't comment on his albums, but you simply can't discredit West's work, especially given the fact rap is the way it is today because of West. "Gangsta rap" is no longer the norm, because of West's style.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 17:42:46 GMT -5
I don't really have an opinion on this Beck situation, but I have to shake my head at the people calling Kanye West a talentless hack. He's designed sneakers for both Nike and Adidas, directed a feature-length film, and his 808's album inspired the sound of every rapper and R&B singer for the last six years. Very few musicians have that type of influence ranging across so many different mediums. And if you're beef is that you don't think he's a real musician, look into his production work on the Dark Twisted Fantasy album. He's a socially awkward dick, sure, but to deny that he has talent at this point is just silly. You're absolutely right. You're also talking to the completely wrong crowd for any of that to make sense, though. You can talk about how he's a fashion designer as well as director, but almost everyone here will respond with "yeah, but can he play the ukulele?!" His talent or accomplishments wouldn't be brought into question if the braying jackass didn't open his mouth again for attention....did he accomplish all those things? Yes, he obviously has talent and his track record and awards shows that....does that mean that he should have publicly disrespected Beck?? Had Beyonce won, I don't think Beck would have dared say anything so mean and classless about her. Bottom line Beck didn't do anything wrong to deserve that kind of slap in the face. I don't care if Kayne painted the Sistine Chapel. He's a loudmouth jackass and I'm very much sick of him.
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Post by E N I G M A on Feb 11, 2015 18:22:31 GMT -5
Kanye West is just stupid, and I mean like really stupid. I Beck's album has been one of my favourites over the last few months!
I also wanna throw in that I'm happy that PearlJam won a Grammy, even if jt was only for the packaging of their record. I own both the CD and the Vinyl of 'Lightning Bolt' and it's really cool designed. Probs to Jeff Ament for always making a great effort on these things!
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Post by Tim of thee on Feb 11, 2015 18:37:05 GMT -5
This is the reason why giving awards out like some kind of competition is silly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 7:29:29 GMT -5
Man. In his genre, Kanye is one of the greatest of all time. what he said was right by the way too. People talk about doing "a Beyoncé" because of the way her album was released and the impact it had. No way was Beck the truly deserving man to win that award. So because of the way something is released, it makes it a great album? To hell with creativity and talent.
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Post by attitudesback on Feb 12, 2015 8:36:20 GMT -5
Man. In his genre, Kanye is one of the greatest of all time. what he said was right by the way too. People talk about doing "a Beyoncé" because of the way her album was released and the impact it had. No way was Beck the truly deserving man to win that award. So because of the way something is released, it makes it a great album? To hell with creativity and talent. Not at all, but it obviously had the impact it did because of the quality of it, the fact it still gets radio spins to this day. Beck can play a guitar, great. Is he as good of an entertainer like Beyoncé? How can you say to hell with creativity when its creativity in its highest form, every song had a video? How is that not creativity?
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Post by KeBen Owens on Feb 12, 2015 8:38:47 GMT -5
Kanye West worships himself, and only himself.
That's all there really needs to be said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 8:52:37 GMT -5
So because of the way something is released, it makes it a great album? To hell with creativity and talent. Not at all, but it obviously had the impact it did because of the quality of it, the fact it still gets radio spins to this day. Beck can play a guitar, great. Is he as good of an entertainer like Beyoncé? How can you say to hell with creativity when its creativity in its highest form, every song had a video? How is that not creativity? It had the "impact" it did because they spent millions upon millions of dollars marketing it to gullible fools who frankly don't know any better. Why do you think Justin Bieber and One Direction sell so much? Beyonce is no different, it's a completely manufactured process, there's no heart, no soul, no creativity in anything that she releases. She is why the entire music industry is on its head. It's not "Beck can play a guitar". Beck can create things that no one else has heard of before. His music is haunting, deep and will make you think. He'll do as much of the process as he can himself because he's a musician. Beyonce will sing music that other people create because she's a performer. She's only where she is because she has a pretty face, there are millions of people who can do what she does (and do do what she does, see: Britney, Katy Perry, Rihanna, Ariana Grande, Spice Girls etc etc). The contributions she made to her album were minimal, and even then the "creative" people that she surrounds herself with are god awful. Her music is literally noise, there's no meaning behind it at all. I'm honest to god surprised that Beck won the award, for the reason being that his work is actually good.
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Post by 3Lephant (Naptown Icon) on Feb 12, 2015 8:56:28 GMT -5
So because of the way something is released, it makes it a great album? To hell with creativity and talent. Not at all, but it obviously had the impact it did because of the quality of it, the fact it still gets radio spins to this day. Beck can play a guitar, great. Is he as good of an entertainer like Beyoncé? How can you say to hell with creativity when its creativity in its highest form, every song had a video? How is that not creativity? These Beck songs are still getting radio plays. In addition to the other songs he actually has released in the past 10 years. 30 million views.. I'd say people are still "spinning" it. Of course there are way better Beck songs.. But as far as longevity and being creative, Beck fits the mold. Even if you don't like the sound its hard to argue against the creativity of both Beyonce and Beck.
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Post by attitudesback on Feb 12, 2015 9:59:14 GMT -5
Kanye had a point. I'll leave it at that, Beck fans are clearly ITT. It's cool, even Beck thought Beyoncé should win it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 10:17:14 GMT -5
Kanye had a point. I'll leave it at that, Beck fans are clearly ITT. It's cool, even Beck thought Beyoncé should win it. Kanye didn't have a point. Beck was being modest.
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Post by attitudesback on Feb 12, 2015 10:53:31 GMT -5
Kanye had a point. I'll leave it at that, Beck fans are clearly ITT. It's cool, even Beck thought Beyoncé should win it. Kanye didn't have a point. Beck was being modest. I respect your opinion on this but I don't feel the need to comment further on it. It's all down to opinions at the end of the day
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:02:49 GMT -5
Kanye didn't have a point. Beck was being modest. I respect your opinion on this but I don't feel the need to comment further on it. It's all down to opinions at the end of the day I'm not saying Kanye couldn't have wanted Beyonce to win. But most certainly did not have a point that she should have won, especially to the extent of running on stage in protest.
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Post by Yayo on Feb 12, 2015 11:09:59 GMT -5
I'm surprised any one is surprised Beck one as the Grammy's is a comitee of old white men
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Post by 👑🇵🇭⭐️ on Feb 12, 2015 11:13:01 GMT -5
I thought the title of this thread said, “Kane disrespects Brock”.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2015 11:13:39 GMT -5
I'm surprised any one is surprised Beck one as the Grammy's is a comitee of old white men Thanks for bringing a racist attitude into the discussion.
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Post by Yayo on Feb 12, 2015 11:14:48 GMT -5
I'm surprised any one is surprised Beck one as the Grammy's is a comitee of old white men Thanks for bringing a racist attitude into the discussion. This entire thread is subtly racist.
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