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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 5:58:38 GMT -5
The champ just needed to be a transition from Warrior to Hogan. Quake would have also made sense as he'd feuded with both. But Perfect was hot at the time and would have given WAY better matches than Sarge did. I agree wholeheartedly. Perfect and Quake would have been MUCH better choices. Both were already firmly established upper echelon guys and both were much more credible threats to both Warrior and Hulk. The matches would have been much better as well with either. Sarge just kind of came out of no where and was used to capitalize on some blood money essentially. Perfect would have given Hogan the best match, but slamming Earthquake would have provided a pretty cool moment for the Hulkster too. What I don't get is that Quake (in particular, but Hennig didn't either) didn't get a real finish to the feud he had with Hulk. The feud with Sarge ended in the best way at Summerslam '91.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 9:17:23 GMT -5
I'm amazed at how good he was, and how bland his son is.
Rewatching KOTR '93 today was great to see him and Bret give their all; their feud and matches an important piece of wrestling lore IMO...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 9:24:56 GMT -5
I'm amazed at how good he was, and how bland his son is. Rewatching KOTR '93 today was great to see him and Bret give their all; their feud and matches an important piece of wrestling lore IMO... I think a lot of 80s/90s guys kids are bland as fudge. Harry, Ted Jr, Nattie, Cody (Hall), Usos, David Flair, even Cody (talented but bland). I'd actually say Joe Hennig is one of the better ones, and it's not really a compliment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 9:45:59 GMT -5
I'm amazed at how good he was, and how bland his son is. Rewatching KOTR '93 today was great to see him and Bret give their all; their feud and matches an important piece of wrestling lore IMO... I think a lot of 80s/90s guys kids are bland as fudge. Harry, Ted Jr, Nattie, Cody (Hall), Usos, David Flair, even Cody (talented but bland). I'd actually say Joe Hennig is one of the better ones, and it's not really a compliment. That's a fair point, Harts - David Flair especially...how could we forget this amazing TitanTron video...? BWAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 10:01:55 GMT -5
I think a lot of 80s/90s guys kids are bland as fudge. Harry, Ted Jr, Nattie, Cody (Hall), Usos, David Flair, even Cody (talented but bland). I'd actually say Joe Hennig is one of the better ones, and it's not really a compliment. That's a fair point, Harts - David Flair especially...how could we forget this amazing TitanTron video...? BWAHAHAHAHAHA Hilariously bad. Though the theme is actually pretty slick!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 10:43:40 GMT -5
Yeah its amazing to me that Cutis Axel & Mr Perfect are related.....its unreal to me. Curtis Axel = complete charisma bypass.
I also dislike the entire slaughter deal. I HATED that he returned as a heel.....oh man I never accepted it and even at the age of 10/11 it was a real turn off for me.
Sarge was never a heel in my Hasbro fed!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 12:17:35 GMT -5
Yeah its amazing to me that Cutis Axel & Mr Perfect are related.....its unreal to me. Curtis Axel = complete charisma bypass. I also dislike the entire slaughter deal. I HATED that he returned as a heel.....oh man I never accepted it and even at the age of 10/11 it was a real turn off for me. Sarge was never a heel in my Hasbro fed!!! Is it bad that when I think of Sarge I think of him as part of a team with Hacksaw? Lol!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 20:46:51 GMT -5
Yeah its amazing to me that Cutis Axel & Mr Perfect are related.....its unreal to me. Curtis Axel = complete charisma bypass. I also dislike the entire slaughter deal. I HATED that he returned as a heel.....oh man I never accepted it and even at the age of 10/11 it was a real turn off for me. Sarge was never a heel in my Hasbro fed!!! Is it bad that when I think of Sarge I think of him as part of a team with Hacksaw? Lol! LOL......nope. I tend to associate Sarge with his face turn post SSlam 91 heavily.....especially that one sided Survivor Series 91 match where Sarge and co cleaned house.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 14, 2015 20:50:13 GMT -5
Nowhere near world title level, but a perfect example of how the midcard can (well, used to) mean something.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Feb 14, 2015 21:46:37 GMT -5
Undoubtedly the best wrestler to ever work in the WWE and not win the World Title, although I will say I am content with the way he was handled. Looked like a million bucks every time he graced the ring.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2015 23:59:59 GMT -5
Nowhere near world title level, but a perfect example of how the midcard can (well, used to) mean something. Completely disagree. Mr. Perfect could've/should've/would've been world champion if booked differently in 1991 or especially 1993.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 15, 2015 0:14:04 GMT -5
Nowhere near world title level, but a perfect example of how the midcard can (well, used to) mean something. Completely disagree. Mr. Perfect could've/should've/would've been world champion if booked differently in 1991 or especially 1993. No chance. In 1991, they needed a transitional champion from Warrior at the Rumble to Hogan at WrestleMania -- and as much as Slaughter sucked, he was a better choice than Perfect, who had already done the rounds endlessly with both Hogan and Warrior for the last year or two to disappointing results, so would never have been in the running for the spot at that point. And in 1993, he was my favourite wrestler but squeezing him in for some arbitrary title run instead of Hogan, Bret or Yokozuna would have been a terrible move. The current (and attitude era) system of wrestling where everybody good gets a title run makes people fabricate old wrestling into fantasies where all their favourites deserved to be world champion. Perfect, Piper, DiBiase, Rude, whoever. But it's all just nonsensical dreaming.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 0:32:10 GMT -5
Completely disagree. Mr. Perfect could've/should've/would've been world champion if booked differently in 1991 or especially 1993. No chance. In 1991, they needed a transitional champion from Warrior at the Rumble to Hogan at WrestleMania -- and as much as Slaughter sucked, he was a better choice than Perfect, who had already done the rounds endlessly with both Hogan and Warrior for the last year or two to disappointing results, so would never have been in the running for the spot at that point. And in 1993, he was my favourite wrestler but squeezing him in for some arbitrary title run instead of Hogan, Bret or Yokozuna would have been a terrible move. The current (and attitude era) system of wrestling where everybody good gets a title run makes people fabricate old wrestling into fantasies where all their favourites deserved to be world champion. Perfect, Piper, DiBiase, Rude, whoever. But it's all just nonsensical dreaming. Disagree again man. Perfect would've been a MUCH better option than Slaughter in 1991. Slaughter SUCKED as a turncoat heel and ticket sales plummeted when he got the strap at the Rumble. They had to move the location of Wrestlemania 7 due to low ticket sales. Nobody bought into that gimmick and clearly saw it as WWF capitalizing on the real war taking place on the other side of the globe. Mr. Perfect would've been a much more respectable champion for a short run. 1993 was his year though, IMO. I've rebooked 1993 in two separate threads here and feel either option not only would've woeked but would've been very successful as well.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Feb 15, 2015 0:40:33 GMT -5
No chance. In 1991, they needed a transitional champion from Warrior at the Rumble to Hogan at WrestleMania -- and as much as Slaughter sucked, he was a better choice than Perfect, who had already done the rounds endlessly with both Hogan and Warrior for the last year or two to disappointing results, so would never have been in the running for the spot at that point. And in 1993, he was my favourite wrestler but squeezing him in for some arbitrary title run instead of Hogan, Bret or Yokozuna would have been a terrible move. The current (and attitude era) system of wrestling where everybody good gets a title run makes people fabricate old wrestling into fantasies where all their favourites deserved to be world champion. Perfect, Piper, DiBiase, Rude, whoever. But it's all just nonsensical dreaming. Disagree again man. That's cool. He's your favourite and you want him to have won everything. I get that. When I was sixteen, I thought Crash Holly should've won King of the Ring instead of Kurt Angle and I wanted D'Lo Brown to get a main event run. But in reality, they were never going to put the belt on a guy who'd already had his run with Hogan and Warrior and was a failed main eventer -- hell, even if he'd been a success in those runs, they wouldn't have gone back to the well for WrestleMania, so he was screwed either way. By 1993, he was long since done, but that's why we have fantasy booking. It's a shame that modern wrestling's title situation has caused fans to subconsciously view Perfect's career as a disappointment because he never won the big one, though. It never seemed that way at the time. But different eras cloud judgments.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 0:52:05 GMT -5
That's cool. He's your favourite and you want him to have won everything. I get that. When I was sixteen, I thought Crash Holly should've won King of the Ring instead of Kurt Angle and I wanted D'Lo Brown to get a main event run. But in reality, they were never going to put the belt on a guy who'd already had his run with Hogan and Warrior and was a failed main eventer -- hell, even if he'd been a success in those runs, they wouldn't have gone back to the well for WrestleMania, so he was screwed either way. By 1993, he was long since done, but that's why we have fantasy booking. It's a shame that modern wrestling's title situation has caused fans to subconsciously view Perfect's career as a disappointment because he never won the big one, though. It never seemed that way at the time. But different eras cloud judgments. I'm not sure about your comparison of Crash Holly and D'Lo Brown to Mr. Perfect but...ok. Those guys were lower midcard acts at best while Mr. Perfect was an upper midcarder who had probably the best IC title reign of all time during a period where that belt meant something and was incredibly important. I certainly don't think he was "long since done" in 1993 as he was incredibly over as a face, motivated to be back in the ring and prove himself and had the best match of his career against Bret Hart at King of the Ring. I understand the argument and points you are trying to make but fail to see where they apply in this situation. I don't view Perfect's career as a disappointment at all. He had an excellent career. I just think with a few booking changes he COULD'VE been world champion. I don't think it's a far stretch at all like a Crash Holly or D'Lo Brown would be...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 1:27:20 GMT -5
That was perfect, like most of this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 1:29:08 GMT -5
That was perfect, like most of this thread...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2015 2:38:31 GMT -5
Just wow, eh?
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Post by Hulk Who? on Feb 15, 2015 2:44:56 GMT -5
They could have had Perfect, Hart, Savage, Taker or probably Razor as world champ in 93, not sure who else, HBK was no where near ready. Thinking those guys would have made better champs than Yoko isn't really odd. 91-93 is all crazy transitions, was a crazy time to start watching. But I will say for Slaughter that he was a much bigger star than Perfect. His star power as a wrestler was faded but being the face of GI Joe and the host of the cartoon on tv all the time was huge. The only other tapes they had besides WCW and WWF at my old video shop were Slaughter and Road Warrior stuff, prob from AWA. The first PPV I saw live was WM8, but I must have rented 7 shortly before or after that, I doubt Vince saw Perfect dropping the belt to Hogan as the WM main event. And where would we be without the MSG Desert Storm Match? The Triangle of Terror, The Match Made In Hell, Sheik as Mustafa, the lies about bomb threats to cover for lack of ticket sales? The Slaughter-Hogan program is all fantastic to me now, it's a plate of icing, no cake. I like pondering the mind that put that together, I'm not sure I'd change it, it should be embraced as the ludicrous moment it is. What a wonderful grotesque portrait we got out of it too. I do love Perfect though, not trying to bash him in a Perfect Appreciation thread. He was the man.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Feb 15, 2015 2:47:46 GMT -5
Just wow, eh? That always drove me crazy because Perfect spun the wrong way.
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