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Post by PJ on Feb 21, 2015 15:54:11 GMT -5
No it doesn't mean mic skills. I didn't even go down that road. I was just going on in ring. Take away the swanton and ladder spots and his matches were very boring and forgettable. Right, he wasn't good in the ring, but he still had a ton of charisma. Only thing he really had. I have to disagree. Take away the ladder stuff there was nothing. And coming off the ladders and cages wasn't charismatic. It was nothing more than people not being able to turn away from a car crash mentality. And that was the only time he could get the arena on their feet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 16:21:46 GMT -5
Right, he wasn't good in the ring, but he still had a ton of charisma. Only thing he really had. I have to disagree. Take away the ladder stuff there was nothing. And coming off the ladders and cages wasn't charismatic. It was nothing more than people not being able to turn away from a car crash mentality. And that was the only time he could get the arena on their feet. There are very very few people who connected with the crowd like Hardy did. He didn't need to jump off crap to get a pop, he was just over. I'm really not sure how anybody who has watched him can say he doesn't have a natural charisma to him. It's pretty blatant. To each their own.
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Post by PJ on Feb 21, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
I have to disagree. Take away the ladder stuff there was nothing. And coming off the ladders and cages wasn't charismatic. It was nothing more than people not being able to turn away from a car crash mentality. And that was the only time he could get the arena on their feet. There are very very few people who connected with the crowd like Hardy did. He didn't need to jump off crap to get a pop, he was just over. I'm really not sure how anybody who has watched him can say he doesn't have a natural charisma to him. It's pretty blatant. To each their own. I haven't watched him since he left the WWE, but when I did watch him once the entrance music was over and the match started he wasn't connecting with anyone in the audience besides kids. The only time he got any reaction was the Swanton or ladder spot. So I guess we will disagree.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 21, 2015 17:28:13 GMT -5
How has Jeff Hardy not been mentioned? I mean seriously can you name me any memorable Hardy moment that didnt involve him throwing himself off of a ladder or through a table? He fought like a kid plays a wrestling game...kick, punch, kick, punch, top rope & misses a move, kick, punch, high spot off the ladder and pin. Ok seriously this made me disgusted nothing against you what so ever but Jeff Hardy had charisma, incredible moves, and plus he was so unique which made him incredible. Look at people from the likes of the great khali to the sandman. Has great khali even bent his knees ever? Like seriously If you read my second post in this thread, you'll understand my reasoning for him.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Feb 21, 2015 18:36:40 GMT -5
Joe Gomez. The guy had a flabby physique and co-owned a restaurant. How the hell he wrestled for WCW still baffles me.
Jesse Neal. This guy was just a clueless putz who looked like he got wet & rolled in the Sunday comics. He did a meet & greet 2 years ago near me & I was told 3 people showed up to it.
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Post by Doomrider on Feb 21, 2015 19:34:56 GMT -5
Escorpion Egipcio. I was able to see this mook botch consistently when I was a die hard Chikara fan back in the day. He almost hurt several wrestlers, as well as fans. The worst I remember is King of Trios 09 where I believe Lince Dorado does a dive outside to Escorpio who, instead of catching him, somehow manages to toss him over his head and into the audience.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Feb 21, 2015 19:56:30 GMT -5
For me its Sin Cara (original). I havent seen any of his work as Mistico (sp?) and I understand the WWE ring is different to most, and certainly different to the rings in mexico which I'd assume cater more for the Lucha style. But the guy was built up so much, and people were talking about him being Rey's replacement. and he just sucked, botches in every match, the fact he didnt speak English.
I find it knida funny the orignal sucked so bad they fired him, and put someone else under the mask.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Feb 21, 2015 20:00:38 GMT -5
The Sandman is the absolute drizzling craps as a wrestler. Character and entrance, awesome, but Jesus he sucks. I think him sucking as a wrestler is like an extension as a gimmick, he's drunk and high I dont know if it'd be viable for him to be an ace wrestler. I think Sandman and Cena are similar in the way that neither can wrestle, but they're so over with their fan base that people tend to over look it.
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Post by threehgame on Feb 22, 2015 4:25:28 GMT -5
There are very very few people who connected with the crowd like Hardy did. He didn't need to jump off crap to get a pop, he was just over. I'm really not sure how anybody who has watched him can say he doesn't have a natural charisma to him. It's pretty blatant. To each their own. I haven't watched him since he left the WWE, but when I did watch him once the entrance music was over and the match started he wasn't connecting with anyone in the audience besides kids. The only time he got any reaction was the Swanton or ladder spot. So I guess we will disagree. Hardy was the worst I have seen in person (that list includes the likes of Test, Post WCW Scott Steiner, and 575lbs Big Show) at a house show. He was botching basic moves and trying to hard all through his match. He got a pop when he came out and very little else until he went through a table. On Raw/Smackdown! he always seemed to get the crowd behind him and was liked by the younger fans but put him in front of 3000 to 5000 fans and it was bad.
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Feb 22, 2015 5:04:22 GMT -5
I thought Tyson Tomko was pretty bad.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Feb 22, 2015 6:28:03 GMT -5
I once fast-forwarded a Great Khali match. He did nothing but shuffle in a circle and let his opponent work around him from start to finish. Deficient mic skills and lack of charisma pale in comparison to severely limited mobility, although Khali was actually bad in all three of those areas. I'm still befuddled at how Khali even got a contract, let alone the WHC.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 7:28:58 GMT -5
Here's a list from me -
John Cena Roman Reigns The Great Khali The Giant Gonzales The Bushwhackers Sabu - Needed weapons or he couldn't do anything Jeff Hardy - Again Huge Fan but needed a ladder etc. Matt Hardy Santino Marella Adam Rose X - Pac Heath Slater Hornswoggle Sin Cara - Original Tensai Brodus Clay Tekno Team T.L. Hopper Cherry B.B Sable Jamie Keyes
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Post by ohernan6 on Feb 23, 2015 14:39:05 GMT -5
Ok seriously this made me disgusted nothing against you what so ever but Jeff Hardy had charisma, incredible moves, and plus he was so unique which made him incredible. Look at people from the likes of the great khali to the sandman. Has great khali even bent his knees ever? Like seriously If you read my second post in this thread, you'll understand my reasoning for him. My Jeff Hardy defense on why he is not bad at all is that you're not taking into account overall ring psychology. He actually told some good stories in that ring even though he had all the ladders. Give some ladders and time to random guys like Adam Rose, Bull Buchannon, or Kenny Dykstra and I doubt they will be able to give such memorable moments. I'm not even saying those three are bad wrestlers at all, but their ability to tell wrestling stories in the ring never shined. Also, without the ladders, chairs, and any type of dangerous high-spots, it is silly to think Hardy had nothing else to offer when he pretty much had a few creative offense moves that were unique to him and his brother. And these were moves that were very effective, such as that split-legged thing he did, and that one where he transfers head control in the middle of a run and pulls down his opponent similar to a clothesline. Plus, he popularized whisper in the wind, poetry in motion and all his other catchy moves. This alone should remove him from this list. And finally, he had a great ability to sell, which you should know is super important. He can take a hell of a DDT. He has the ability to let his body be tossed around like a rag doll and not get injured. Facial expressions where also great. To say he's a horrible wrestler is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 23, 2015 16:16:46 GMT -5
If you read my second post in this thread, you'll understand my reasoning for him. My Jeff Hardy defense on why he is not bad at all is that you're not taking into account overall ring psychology. He actually told some good stories in that ring even though he had all the ladders. Give some ladders and time to random guys like Adam Rose, Bull Buchannon, or Kenny Dykstra and I doubt they will be able to give such memorable moments. I'm not even saying those three are bad wrestlers at all, but their ability to tell wrestling stories in the ring never shined. Also, without the ladders, chairs, and any type of dangerous high-spots, it is silly to think Hardy had nothing else to offer when he pretty much had a few creative offense moves that were unique to him and his brother. And these were moves that were very effective, such as that split-legged thing he did, and that one where he transfers head control in the middle of a run and pulls down his opponent similar to a clothesline. Plus, he popularized whisper in the wind, poetry in motion and all his other catchy moves. This alone should remove him from this list. And finally, he had a great ability to sell, which you should know is super important. He can take a hell of a DDT. He has the ability to let his body be tossed around like a rag doll and not get injured. Facial expressions where also great. To say he's a horrible wrestler is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. That's your opinion. He's still horrible though.
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Post by Charlie f'n Kelly on Feb 23, 2015 16:47:07 GMT -5
Mark Biscoe
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