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Post by Mr. McCluer on Feb 18, 2015 14:16:31 GMT -5
Joes Gonna Kill You.... Fight Owens Fight.... Joes Gonna Kill You.... Fight Owens Fight.
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Post by RSCTom on Feb 18, 2015 16:49:40 GMT -5
The idea of Samoa Joe having to 'pass a test' like NXT makes me sick to my stomach and is something I completely disagree with. And I'm fine with the NXT brand. But there are some people who shouldn't be subjected to it. Samoa Joe and AJ Styles are two of the few. I disagree, especially with Styles, but this is about Joe so I'll keep that for a different time. If Steen, Generico and Devitt had to go through NXT, so does Joe. All three are better than him right now. Joe has absolutely been on a 'different' stage that those three guys hadn't. Like I said, there are only a few, and it honestly has less to do with wrestling skill than overall package. But there are a few guys I'd just say, there's no point for them not to be able to go to the main roster. I'm not going to sit back and put WWE on a pedestal, especially with the horrific sh*t they can easily churn out on a regular basis. Jay Lethal, for example, is another guy that could walk on to WWE TV without ever having been involved with NXT and if they wrote him in CORRECTLY, he'd be on fire. This is less a developmental and 'style' issue as much as it is a creative problem, just like most of WWE's other problems. I know everyone loves NXT right now but this is exactly the kind of mentality that WWE wants you to have. Without being processed through their 'machine,' people are nothing. And this just simply isn't true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 16:53:02 GMT -5
Samo Joe's chance of winning drastic go down.
I give him a 25 per chance chance of going to NXT.
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Post by IRS on Feb 18, 2015 16:55:41 GMT -5
NXT? Yes.
Main roster? Hell no.
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Post by The Yes Man on Feb 18, 2015 16:57:22 GMT -5
He's going to be 38 or something close to that soon, he's too late. By the time he gets to the main roster he'd be pushing 40, and they'd book him like crap because he doesn't have a pretty face or body. He's 35, only a year or so older than Bálor. He still past his prime imo, so it'd be interesting to see whether or not he can get as motivated as Owens and make something of himself on NXT.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 17:00:11 GMT -5
I disagree, especially with Styles, but this is about Joe so I'll keep that for a different time. If Steen, Generico and Devitt had to go through NXT, so does Joe. All three are better than him right now. Joe has absolutely been on a 'different' stage that those three guys hadn't. Like I said, there are only a few, and it honestly has less to do with wrestling skill than overall package. But there are a few guys I'd just say, there's no point for them not to be able to go to the main roster. I'm not going to sit back and put WWE on a pedestal, especially with the horrific sh*t they can easily churn out on a regular basis. Jay Lethal, for example, is another guy that could walk on to WWE TV without ever having been involved with NXT and if they wrote him in CORRECTLY, he'd be on fire. This is less a developmental and 'style' issue as much as it is a creative problem, just like most of WWE's other problems. I know everyone loves NXT right now but this is exactly the kind of mentality that WWE wants you to have. Without being processed through their 'machine,' people are nothing. And this just simply isn't true. Never said it was, but overall, Zayn, Owens and Balor are all better than Joe. Joe signing and being thrown onto Raw right away would be a disaster for a lot of reasons. If he goes to NXT, he can work to drop the weight he gained and actually develop a character that would work in WWE. "Samoan Submission Machine" won't cut it with the casual viewer. He has not wrestled on a different stage than Devitt. Devitt was wrestling for the #2 promotion in the entire world in NJPW, and he's in NXT. It has nothing to do with the "machine."
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Post by BROKEN on Feb 18, 2015 17:05:14 GMT -5
Let him have his roh moments with fans
Maybe even a fued with bullet club
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Post by RSCTom on Feb 18, 2015 17:24:14 GMT -5
Joe has absolutely been on a 'different' stage that those three guys hadn't. Like I said, there are only a few, and it honestly has less to do with wrestling skill than overall package. But there are a few guys I'd just say, there's no point for them not to be able to go to the main roster. I'm not going to sit back and put WWE on a pedestal, especially with the horrific sh*t they can easily churn out on a regular basis. Jay Lethal, for example, is another guy that could walk on to WWE TV without ever having been involved with NXT and if they wrote him in CORRECTLY, he'd be on fire. This is less a developmental and 'style' issue as much as it is a creative problem, just like most of WWE's other problems. I know everyone loves NXT right now but this is exactly the kind of mentality that WWE wants you to have. Without being processed through their 'machine,' people are nothing. And this just simply isn't true. Never said it was, but overall, Zayn, Owens and Balor are all better than Joe. Joe signing and being thrown onto Raw right away would be a disaster for a lot of reasons. If he goes to NXT, he can work to drop the weight he gained and actually develop a character that would work in WWE. "Samoan Submission Machine" won't cut it with the casual viewer. He has not wrestled on a different stage than Devitt. Devitt was wrestling for the #2 promotion in the entire world in NJPW, and he's in NXT. It has nothing to do with the "machine." I'm not even a big Joe fan. As far as him cutting weight, etc., I don't really have a comment on it because I personally am ok with all different types of looks and styles or whatever. That aside, there's no way it would've been a disaster. You're not a fan of Joe, you're not a fan of AJ, fine. But just like AJ, hell, even just like Bully Ray (you take what's one of the best heels of the past decade, has had this amazing renaissance and package him up in an old gimmick when you could easily sign him and use his re-invented persona with tons and tons and tons of potential?), they're basically ignoring what's the hottest wrestling free-agent. And it absolutely has to do with their machine. 3.3 million people watching a week and 500,000 people buying ppv's or whatever the numbers are, something isn't translating and what it is is a stale product. Chris Jericho came from the sh*t show that was WCW, walked onto WWE TV with halfway decent writing and immediately had things going on. I'm not saying for Joe to come in, have a championship match right away, whatever. I'm saying there's no reason he couldn't show up, beat down someone stale like Randy Orton, and still have just as much an impact. The casual viewer (that's us) knows who Joe is so we're blown away almost immediately. To the 6 year old that has no idea or the blind WWE fan that refuses to follow any other product, he's a fresh face, regardless of where else he's been because they don't watch it anyway. New Japan, if not the top wrestling promotion in the world, is easily a better production than WCW was on that time. So why would they send these guys to developmental? Because they don't want people paying attention to it. I don't agree that Devitt needs to be in NXT. He could have easily, with some decent vignette build up, or even something mysterious, walked onto WWE TV and had just as much impact, if not even more, than he already has. Someone like Kenta or Mistico has very simple language barriers that need to be worked out before they can show up. Fine. Guys like Steen or Generico I could go either way. But the only, only reason any of them HAVE to go through NXT, is simple. They're trying to do away with the importance of any and all other promotions. It's a business tactic, plain and simple. And it kills what's something very important about wrestling. With how they're trying to push away all indy shows WrestleMania weekend, you can't tell me it isn't their plan. Why do they want people spending money on a Ring of Honor show when they can give them 'all that and then some' with NXT? Now, someone like Fergal Devitt HAS to go through NXT to be 'called up to the main roster' when anyone that's ever seen him work knows full well he craps on plenty of the guys who are already there. I don't want to bag anyone but you guys make your own assumptions. This is, very easily, made to point out to any WWE fan or 'casual watcher' that any promotion that isn't WWE means nothing to them. And I'd probably be ok with that if the product was consistently good on a regular basis, but it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 17:40:43 GMT -5
I would rather them sign Velvet Sky to be honest.
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Post by BROKEN on Feb 18, 2015 18:52:41 GMT -5
If Joe was signed to see around 2005, and punk never left, they could have had great fueds
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Post by Affliction: Elite Trader on Feb 18, 2015 20:28:29 GMT -5
I think he could do well if given a proper opportunity. Then stick around long enough to have an elite figure made.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Feb 19, 2015 0:41:34 GMT -5
I would love to see Joe signing up with WWE doing about 6 months in TNA then joining the main roster. BUT Joe would have to lose a lot of weight and get motivated again.
And I feel that may be the problem..... That really won't make much of a difference. Even when Joe was lighter 10 years ago, he didn't have a great physique. Moreover, Joe is rumored to workout regularly and intensely just to look the way he does. I just don't see a huge body transformation for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 2:37:40 GMT -5
I would love to see Joe signing up with WWE doing about 6 months in TNA then joining the main roster. BUT Joe would have to lose a lot of weight and get motivated again.
And I feel that may be the problem..... That really won't make much of a difference. Even when Joe was lighter 10 years ago, he didn't have a great physique. Moreover, Joe is rumored to workout regularly and intensely just to look the way he does. I just don't see a huge body transformation for him. Neither do I....I also wasn't talking about his physique. He would have to trim down(weight sense) for WWE and I just don't see him meeting their requirements in that respect.
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Post by Nash on Feb 19, 2015 3:14:31 GMT -5
No. Maybe when he wasn't out of shape and still good 5-10 years ago.
Much like AJ Styles, his chance at being in the WWE has come and gone
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Post by Himmy! on Feb 20, 2015 3:45:08 GMT -5
I'd totally be up for it in some sort of part time/trainer role.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 9:34:01 GMT -5
no much rater see reDRagon and or Adam Cole.
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Post by MikeMillenium on Feb 20, 2015 19:59:44 GMT -5
Joe Samoa debuts on Smackdown after Wrestlemania, and goes undefeated for 5 months before being drafted to Raw. He challenges John Cena for the WWE Championship at Summerslam. Cena beats him in a Last Man Standing match by giving him an AA off the ramp onto a table.
Joe Samoa dresses up like Benjamin Franklin looking for lightning. He gets zapped when his kite hits a lighting fixture. He discovers his inner dancer and wins a dance contest against The Great Khali.
Honestly, I'd like to see it. I don't see how he wouldn't have a good career in WWE. Does he lack mic skills or something?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 20:08:59 GMT -5
I don't want to see him in WWE.
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