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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 3, 2015 2:15:05 GMT -5
Outside of the BS on the lack of Punk shirts.....he isnt telling me anything I dont already know. OF COURSE there are going to be MORE Cena designs. OF COURSE there are going to be more Cena shirts in stock. Cena is the top merch seller. THATS why. While WWE is reluctant to change direction creatively, they are NOT shy about merchandise. If you can sell a shirt, mask, gloves or a dirty sock.....WWE will produce it. They dont care who does what in that respect. They want the money. I was going to post something similar to this. Logic dictates that Showstopper's statement should be true. However, history has taught us that Vince has no problem killing the push of someone who is WAY over with the audience for seemingly no reason at all, thus killing their merch sales. They'd rather have their way than make money with someone who isn't "their guy." Which of course begs the question, if Vince doesn't want to properly use these guys then why keep them around?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 6:09:39 GMT -5
Outside of the BS on the lack of Punk shirts.....he isnt telling me anything I dont already know. OF COURSE there are going to be MORE Cena designs. OF COURSE there are going to be more Cena shirts in stock. Cena is the top merch seller. THATS why. While WWE is reluctant to change direction creatively, they are NOT shy about merchandise. If you can sell a shirt, mask, gloves or a dirty sock.....WWE will produce it. They dont care who does what in that respect. They want the money. I was going to post something similar to this. Logic dictates that Showstopper's statement should be true. However, history has taught us that Vince has no problem killing the push of someone who is WAY over with the audience for seemingly no reason at all, thus killing their merch sales. They'd rather have their way than make money with someone who isn't "their guy." Which of course begs the question, if Vince doesn't want to properly use these guys then why keep them around? Ryder sells a crap ton of merch and they produce more to meet demand. Same with Mysterio before he left. If you can make a mint on a guy's merch without having to use him at all, who wouldn't do that? If it'll sell, WWE'll make it.
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Post by The Future on Mar 3, 2015 7:01:29 GMT -5
I think what he needs to understand is that no matter what if CM Punk was selling t shirts more than cena for maybe what a few months?,Cena would always out sell because he's John Cena he's the top guy a global icon in the wrestling world and probably the only one to really make it big in the entertainment world too.When Any new WWE product is out he's always the first guy to go to.He's a selling machine NOBODY can top cenas merchandise sales. What are you, 11?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 8:08:16 GMT -5
I think what he needs to understand is that no matter what if CM Punk was selling t shirts more than cena for maybe what a few months?,Cena would always out sell because he's John Cena he's the top guy a global icon in the wrestling world and probably the only one to really make it big in the entertainment world too.When Any new WWE product is out he's always the first guy to go to.He's a selling machine NOBODY can top cenas merchandise sales. What are you, 11? No
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Post by The Future on Mar 3, 2015 9:04:22 GMT -5
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Post by jeffro2000 on Mar 3, 2015 9:47:30 GMT -5
Not going to say some of it isn't true, but common sense just says it isn't.
As many have already pointed out, WWE is a business that needs to make money. I doubt they would purposely keep themselves from making money on merchandise. Punk maybe sold more shirts, maybe Cena sold more overall merchandise, it isn't like they release how many shirts this guy sales vs this guy.
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Post by RybackV1 on Mar 3, 2015 9:54:30 GMT -5
I'll say what I always say
There's no way anyone will ever beat someone in merch sales who has a new Tshirt every two weeks. How many shirts has Cena has in his career? Probably as many as all the other guys that have come and gone in the last ten years combined.
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Post by J12 on Mar 3, 2015 10:52:19 GMT -5
While I don't necessarily believe that they would sabotage their own merchandise sales, it's immensely hard to argue that WWE didn't very purposely stifle CM Punk's momentum as a babyface during the summer of 2012, so, hey, who knows. They're not exactly known for being level headed and logical.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 3, 2015 10:54:50 GMT -5
I'll say what I always say There's no way anyone will ever beat someone in merch sales who has a new Tshirt every two weeks. So WWE should just make new shirts for everyone every two weeks, right? They'd all sell the same amount.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 3, 2015 10:58:31 GMT -5
Since I did listen to MLW Radio last week, Konnan didn't really say much. It was mostly MSL reciting some information that was given to him by the people who knows.
How many of you people actually listen to MLW Radio on a weekly basis? I sure do.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 3, 2015 20:50:46 GMT -5
Outside of the BS on the lack of Punk shirts.....he isnt telling me anything I dont already know. OF COURSE there are going to be MORE Cena designs. OF COURSE there are going to be more Cena shirts in stock. Cena is the top merch seller. THATS why. While WWE is reluctant to change direction creatively, they are NOT shy about merchandise. If you can sell a shirt, mask, gloves or a dirty sock.....WWE will produce it. They dont care who does what in that respect. They want the money. I was going to post something similar to this. Logic dictates that Showstopper's statement should be true. However, history has taught us that Vince has no problem killing the push of someone who is WAY over with the audience for seemingly no reason at all, thus killing their merch sales. They'd rather have their way than make money with someone who isn't "their guy." Which of course begs the question, if Vince doesn't want to properly use these guys then why keep them around? Fair point. Eventually, Vince does kill pushes which also in turn start a downward trend of sales. But in the case of Ryder, his merch was selling before his push. The question must be asked why did they collapse after the de-push? Vince will answer that he has no staying power and thats why he was in fact de-pushed.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Mar 3, 2015 21:27:11 GMT -5
I was going to post something similar to this. Logic dictates that Showstopper's statement should be true. However, history has taught us that Vince has no problem killing the push of someone who is WAY over with the audience for seemingly no reason at all, thus killing their merch sales. They'd rather have their way than make money with someone who isn't "their guy." Which of course begs the question, if Vince doesn't want to properly use these guys then why keep them around? Fair point. Eventually, Vince does kill pushes which also in turn start a downward trend of sales. But in the case of Ryder, his merch was selling before his push. The question must be asked why did they collapse after the de-push? Vince will answer that he has no staying power and thats why he was in fact de-pushed. I had no idea Zach Ryder was still selling merch. I has no idea they were even making merch for him. Buy I think it's obvious why anyone's sales would consider after a de-push. If they're no longer being used or are made to look bad, many fans (mostly the causal ones) will stop caring. But for the guys the do continue to sell after their de-push, well I can't think of a better reason to use them more.
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Post by The Yes Man on Mar 3, 2015 21:45:06 GMT -5
Since I did listen to MLW Radio last week, Konnan didn't really say much. It was mostly MSL reciting some information that was given to him by the people who knows. How many of you people actually listen to MLW Radio on a weekly basis? I sure do. I've caught a few episodes, but just when I've listened to every other podcast available. I like Cort Bauer from his Steve Austin Show appearances, but I don't really care for the other guys.
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Post by LA Times on Mar 3, 2015 21:57:30 GMT -5
You also have to keep in mind that the WWE will make T-shirts in every color of the rainbow for John Cena while CM Punk shirts are usually one of these 3 colorways
White/Black/Red Black/White Black/Yellow
So of course, more colors = more merchandise
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 3, 2015 23:54:25 GMT -5
WWE's insistence that nobody can be as big of a star as John Cena is such a lame self-fulfilling prophecy... I totally believe this story, and more than that I would believe if I heard that Cena was a strong influence on this decision.
I can tell you, at the height of Punk's popularity (October of 2011) I went to a house show, got in 15 minutes after the doors opened, and the Punk shirts were already gone. I'm sure they had a huge truck full of Cena junk left over that they hauled to the next city, and the next one.
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Mar 4, 2015 1:46:30 GMT -5
Outside of the BS on the lack of Punk shirts.....he isnt telling me anything I dont already know. OF COURSE there are going to be MORE Cena designs. OF COURSE there are going to be more Cena shirts in stock. Cena is the top merch seller. THATS why. While WWE is reluctant to change direction creatively, they are NOT shy about merchandise. If you can sell a shirt, mask, gloves or a dirty sock.....WWE will produce it. They dont care who does what in that respect. They want the money. This.....and if this was even remotely true, what isn't mentioned is that while there might 9 Cena shirts to every one Punk shirt.....WWE SOLD 9 CENA SHIRTS and 1 PUNK shirt. That's 10 shirts at what $25 shirt? I mean it would be one thing if they were just giving away Cena shirts, but they're SELLING 9 f'ing Cena shirts. Hell I might not be the biggest Cena fan, but if he was selling merchandise like that for my company, you better believe I'd be making everything under the sun with Cena plastered all over it.
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Post by PudgieTheSheep on Mar 4, 2015 10:02:10 GMT -5
This.....and if this was even remotely true, what isn't mentioned is that while there might 9 Cena shirts to every one Punk shirt.....WWE SOLD 9 CENA SHIRTS and 1 PUNK shirt. That's 10 shirts at what $25 shirt? I mean it would be one thing if they were just giving away Cena shirts, but they're SELLING 9 f'ing Cena shirts. Hell I might not be the biggest Cena fan, but if he was selling merchandise like that for my company, you better believe I'd be making everything under the sun with Cena plastered all over it. Isn't it jeopardising other talent to keep this circle going? If it's true that they've been pushing Cena's merch more than any others from the beginning, isn't that why there's no other true top star just now? You know what it's like to be a kid and if the shop doesn't have the item you want, you go for something else, you don't say no I'll get it later. If there's half a stall of Cena stuff and half a stall of other stuff, odds are the kid's going to end up with a Cena shirt. I see it as below 1. Cena gets better merch sales 2. More Cena stuff is produced 3. Kids end up with more Cena merch becoming Cena fans 4. Cena is subsequently pushed to a higher level 5. Go back to step 1. I know that this is great for the bottom line and the profits will be great, but if it starts hampering the progress of the rest of the wrestlers getting over, then how good is it in the long run?
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Mar 6, 2015 4:29:32 GMT -5
This.....and if this was even remotely true, what isn't mentioned is that while there might 9 Cena shirts to every one Punk shirt.....WWE SOLD 9 CENA SHIRTS and 1 PUNK shirt. That's 10 shirts at what $25 shirt? I mean it would be one thing if they were just giving away Cena shirts, but they're SELLING 9 f'ing Cena shirts. Hell I might not be the biggest Cena fan, but if he was selling merchandise like that for my company, you better believe I'd be making everything under the sun with Cena plastered all over it. Isn't it jeopardising other talent to keep this circle going? If it's true that they've been pushing Cena's merch more than any others from the beginning, isn't that why there's no other true top star just now? You know what it's like to be a kid and if the shop doesn't have the item you want, you go for something else, you don't say no I'll get it later. If there's half a stall of Cena stuff and half a stall of other stuff, odds are the kid's going to end up with a Cena shirt. I see it as below 1. Cena gets better merch sales 2. More Cena stuff is produced 3. Kids end up with more Cena merch becoming Cena fans 4. Cena is subsequently pushed to a higher level 5. Go back to step 1. I know that this is great for the bottom line and the profits will be great, but if it starts hampering the progress of the rest of the wrestlers getting over, then how good is it in the long run? I actually thought about this after I posted lol I'd have to agree. While I'd be plastering Cena on anything that the company could sell, if someone else came along and proved to be as big a seller as him like Punk did then as a company you would think they would want to use the same model with that star as well. This is when other factors come into play IMO. It could be what Punk said in the Cobana podcast about how they kept sabotaging his push, or big commercial deals (like the Slim Jim deal). Or it could be that by making Punk as big a deal as Cena, then in their minds that devalues Cena, their proven seller of over 10 years, and they only saw Punk as someone that wouldn't have lasting power. IMO they would have been wrong, but then again Punk walked out and basically proved their point in their minds (stupid I know, but hey it's a rational they can tell themselves). They also have history to look back on as well. How many times did they try to make the next Hogan, only to go back to Hogan? Warrior, Savage, Sid none of these guys came close to what Hogan did merch wise etc. Or if they did, they didn't stay for the long haul. Hate it or not they Cena in the same light, and at this point feel they need to squeeze that lemon to the last drop. They got lucky a few years after Hogan was gone with the talent that came along in the 90s, and they probably feel like that next guy will come through NXT and be the next guy they squeeze for 10-15 years, but isn't in the way of the Cena gravy train right now lol
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Post by PudgieTheSheep on Mar 6, 2015 7:30:42 GMT -5
I actually thought about this after I posted lol I'd have to agree. While I'd be plastering Cena on anything that the company could sell, if someone else came along and proved to be as big a seller as him like Punk did then as a company you would think they would want to use the same model with that star as well. This is when other factors come into play IMO. It could be what Punk said in the Cobana podcast about how they kept sabotaging his push, or big commercial deals (like the Slim Jim deal). Or it could be that by making Punk as big a deal as Cena, then in their minds that devalues Cena, their proven seller of over 10 years, and they only saw Punk as someone that wouldn't have lasting power. IMO they would have been wrong, but then again Punk walked out and basically proved their point in their minds (stupid I know, but hey it's a rational they can tell themselves). They also have history to look back on as well. How many times did they try to make the next Hogan, only to go back to Hogan? Warrior, Savage, Sid none of these guys came close to what Hogan did merch wise etc. Or if they did, they didn't stay for the long haul. Hate it or not they Cena in the same light, and at this point feel they need to squeeze that lemon to the last drop. They got lucky a few years after Hogan was gone with the talent that came along in the 90s, and they probably feel like that next guy will come through NXT and be the next guy they squeeze for 10-15 years, but isn't in the way of the Cena gravy train right now lol Looking back to the 90's and the amount of merch they used to shift then for an array of different people must have been huge. Austin, Taker, Rock, D-X and the Hardys must have sold bucketloads of stuff! Now none of these would have been close to Cena or Hogan but as for combined sales for all superstars it must be close! I've been to Raw twice and not really seen anything that takes my fancy because there's just so much Cena stuff, and iirc the Punk and Bryan shirts for the Manchester show when there was the square up between the Shield and Wyatts were all gone pretty early on. I also just googled wwe 1/2/3/4&500th, wish, and the articles that came up were all about Cena. I can't find anything on how many Wishes other superstars have done and I think it would be interesting to see is Punk's claims were true. I'm beginning to wonder if we really will have a Cena come through NXT or if they're trying to build up a roster again. Things in wrestling seem to go in cycles so hopefully we're on the brink of another boom.
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