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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 3, 2015 9:49:48 GMT -5
This is not a thread about me complaining about the use of part-timers. I understand their place and see their value. I also actually enjoy the sporadic appearances of Brock Lesnar. However, does anyone else feel that part of the reason this WrestleMania build feels lackluster so far is due to the fact that people are building these matches alone? Arguably the three biggest matches on the card are being carried by one guy. Bray Wyatt, Triple H and Roman Reigns have had to do most of the work. While Bray and Hunter can do fine, we know that Roman's not the best on the mic to carry this and it's like that match hasn't even really been hyped. I know that there are still a few weeks, but I think it's hurting some of the Mania build. Maybe I'm just overthinking it.
I'll pull a Cody Rhodes Diva and ask...your thoughts?
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 3, 2015 9:51:59 GMT -5
I agree with you that they're building them alone
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 9:57:48 GMT -5
Yeah, it's incredibly lazy booking. I get why Taker and Sting don't show, but Brock is the WWE Champion. Part timer or not, he should be there every Raw after Fast Lane. The only match I'm really all that interested in is the ladder match at this point. It feels like they're building to a throwaway show like a Vengeance instead of Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 10:11:46 GMT -5
I've enjoyed Brock's matches, but putting the title on him was a mistake. If you're gonna be champion, you need to work the shows. Which is why I'm fine with Reigns being champion because at least all the shows will have the champion on them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 10:14:38 GMT -5
What about Heyman? I wouldn't say Reigns or HHH are building them alone. Sting's been there when he's been needed too, I don't see what they could do with him if he was on Raw every week as HHH isn't competing himself.
The only way Sting could really be there more is if HHH had some matches and Sting interfered or distracted HHH in them.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Mar 3, 2015 10:18:50 GMT -5
The WWE hasn't really been doing a stellar job building up WrestleMania XXXI. Much like the previous two 'Mania, the build wasn't stellar for those two as well. You aren't overthinking tings here at all. It is clear as day that you have full-timers like Bray Wyatt and Roman Reigns, trying to further the feud. Bray is doing his best and Roman is just falling flat right now. The WWE isn't getting their audience a chance to really immerse themselves into the story. I almost feel some of the main programs are going to peak too early. The WWE better not get lazy. There is only three more RAW's left to WrestleMania. The machine better have all the fuel it needs to really kick things into high gear.
Once that go-home of RAW hits and their in lazy mode, it will really show come the 29th of March.
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Post by T R W on Mar 3, 2015 10:35:31 GMT -5
It's weird. Not having a lot of the guys booked for the show on RAW to hype it definitely doesn't help. I also get the feeling that they are still scrambling for what to do. That weird bit about Reigns trying to goad Rollins into making the WM a triple threat was odd, and it made zero sense. Why would Reigns want that? Seemed like them trying to put in a backup plan in case Lesnar pulls a fast one or says he will lay an egg.
No further development with Cody and Goldust. Are they having a match?
Are we getting a Miz/Mizdow match?
No clear direction about the tag team titles yet.
Whatever this mess is with the Intercontinental title. Suddenly everyone wants to steal the belt? Why?
Cena just giving up and entering the battle royal just to have Stephanie say he doesn't deserve it to now he's angry and will make Rusev fight him again? What is going on? Stephanie's promo kind of rambled on and contradicted itself.
I get that Wyatt is calling out Undertaker, and he will probably show up in a few weeks and attack him. But it still feels kind of random and out of nowhere.
The only story that is set in stone and completely ready to go is Sting and HHH. But we don't know what Sting's motivations are. Why does he suddenly care about all of the WWE injustices now? We need 1 promo from him.
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Post by Captain Charisma on Mar 3, 2015 10:38:48 GMT -5
I have never been a fan of part timers main eventing or even winning titles. For Undertaler and Stong, I think it works for them since they are mysterious characters. Brock on the other hand...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 10:40:13 GMT -5
What about Heyman? I wouldn't say Reigns or HHH are building them alone. Sting's been there when he's been needed too, I don't see what they could do with him if he was on Raw every week as HHH isn't competing himself. The only way Sting could really be there more is if HHH had some matches and Sting interfered or distracted HHH in them. Heyman can't save it. A war on the microphone isn't for this feud because Reigns isn't any good. It needs to be brawls and interactions every week with the ocassional quick promo.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 3, 2015 10:45:43 GMT -5
WrestleMania 28 (Cena/Rock, HHH/Taker) and 29 (Cena/Rock, Punk/Taker, HHH/Brock) had the same thing.
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Post by J12 on Mar 3, 2015 10:45:52 GMT -5
To me, it feels exactly like Wrestlemania 29, which, in my opinion, is one of the worst Wrestlemanias in recent memory. Poorly built, with a contrived and forced main event when the real main event is so obvious and staring everyone right in the face.
Remove CM Punk from the equation and add Daniel Bryan, and you have the exact same situation, except Bryan isn't even getting a "consolation prize", so to speak.
Cena/Rock = Reigns/Lesnar Triple H/Lesnar = Triple H/Sting Bray Wyatt/Undertaker = CM Punk/Undertaker
In each case, one guy is doing all the work. In the case of the main event, no one cares. Unfortunately, this time, it's not just because it's a rematch. It's because no one wants to buy what they're selling in the first place.
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Post by havoc7179 on Mar 3, 2015 10:48:03 GMT -5
I posted the same sentiment in another thread before this one, and I agree with you. Three of their main matches involve part times who haven't really shown up too much at the events, leaving it to the full timers to carry the promo load.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 10:59:16 GMT -5
Sting has been around more than the rest and that story has been going since Survivor Series.
Not having Lesnar and Undertaker around more for Wrestlemania season is just lame.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 3, 2015 11:14:17 GMT -5
I think it hurts Reigns the most because they are supposed to be cementing him as the new star and Brock isn't around. It kind of creates the perception that Brock doesn't take him seriously. Having Brock show last week probably would have helped significantly though. So you can't really fault them for that whole situation as it pertains to the story. Reigns sounded like an idiot last night trying to goat Rollins into using his case. I know the aim was to have him look tough by poking holes in Rollins but he stumbled through the line and it didn't come off like intended.
If Reigns is supposed to be a badass, he needs to be a badass against Brock. He did it the one time in the sit down interview, but he needs that moment again. The feud is paper thin though. Most of Brock's feuds are by default.
Taker and Sting are ominous characters. I think Taker could show up and help Bray out but this could lead to Bray cutting a "he's not going to show up because he's scared" promo at Mania. Then he shows up. So that would be cool. Bray's promo last night was phenomenal though imo. That's sort of the difference. HHH and Bray are pushing those feuds and Reigns can't. If Reigns was firing off on the mic the entire situation would be much better off. Because he can't talk they have limited flexibility in feud building and people are tired of hearing it come from Heyman.
It is what it is. Have to sell the card to random people who won't ever tune into watch your weekly show.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 3, 2015 11:22:52 GMT -5
WrestleMania 28 (Cena/Rock, HHH/Taker) and 29 (Cena/Rock, Punk/Taker, HHH/Brock) had the same thing. Part timers in the big matches yes. However, the big difference is that the part timers were around for the build. While Rock wasn't there every single week he was there for the most part. Undertaker showed up on multiple Raws to hype his stuff with Punk and HHH. Hell I went to Raw in Cleveland in 2012 leading into Mania and saw HHH, Undertaker, Rock and HBK all on the same show. I honestly don't remember if Brock was around to build the Hunter match because I gave zero cares about that and Rock/Cena II. It just seems like this year, we're getting less and less of them being around to build things.
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Post by Chip on Mar 3, 2015 11:23:45 GMT -5
its like they just sat down and said "the more people dont see or hear from any of these guys, the better it will be" meanwhile on the main shows we get weeks and weeks and endless ing weeks of the same combination of matches with the same guys most serving zero purpose. it's like the create their OWN hypocrisy in their OWN booking decisions. they shoved buckets of cash at Lesnar to only appear a handful of times because now those times are "more special" well not to me...because im annoyed at the fact that he's never on the show or defending his title so even when he does show up it becomes "finally! its about ing time" instead of "ZOMG BEAST!" not to mention all his appearances are pretty much the same. Stand next to Heyman, hold the title, stare at someone, say ass, and leave the ring smirking. Sting hasn't said a god damn word and been on 3 times. Again, it's STING. FFS I wanna see the guy do something. It's not creating this awe and suspense for their match. I'd be just as excited if Sting had actually cut a couple of promos and made a couple of appearances. It adds to it, doesn't take it away. The mentality of less is more might work when you're eating fast food...but with the supposed biggest show ever coming up less is less as in less interested than in a long time and this whole Undertaker thing is a complete joke. 'Taker lost at Wrestlemania, hasn't been seen since and somehow im supposed to care that Bray wants to beat him? what does it prove? Bray's lost a lot of big matches, hes nothing like the undertaker was at all besides long hair and i guess lantern=urn....but really....it's like they said "well it's wrestlemania we need to have an Undertaker match....Bray's creepy guy....lets do it" now i'm sure if im bray im begging to wrestle 'Taker...because who wouldn't. but since the Streak is over there is really no purpose to him fighting once a year, and to be honest it's a lose-lose...because if Bray loses? wow, and if 'Taker loses then we get the same old boring shitty end to a wrestler's career where the last memory we have of him in a ring is getting his shoulders pinned to the mat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 11:32:50 GMT -5
I really don't think the Sting angle has been bad. At least there was some physicality between him and HHH at Fast Lane.
Having Undertaker not appear at all until Wrestlemania is a mistake.
Lesnar going home and only having 2 more scheduled dates until Wrestlemania is a mistake.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 3, 2015 11:32:44 GMT -5
WrestleMania 28 (Cena/Rock, HHH/Taker) and 29 (Cena/Rock, Punk/Taker, HHH/Brock) had the same thing. Part timers in the big matches yes. However, the big difference is that the part timers were around for the build. While Rock wasn't there every single week he was there for the most part. Undertaker showed up on multiple Raws to hype his stuff with Punk and HHH. Hell I went to Raw in Cleveland in 2012 leading into Mania and saw HHH, Undertaker, Rock and HBK all on the same show. I honestly don't remember if Brock was around to build the Hunter match because I gave zero cares about that and Rock/Cena II. It just seems like this year, we're getting less and less of them being around to build things. Well, Brock would have been on the show last week but his ball really needed to go home, and there was nobody else to take it. Sting was on TV last week. There'll probably be a Raw before WrestleMania with Sting and Brock both on. I don't know what the deal is with Undertaker, he might be too broken-down to show before the night. But very few of the WrestleMania special appearance guys ever appear on Raw two weeks in a row.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 3, 2015 11:37:16 GMT -5
I completely understand and agree with what you're saying. That is why I don't think putting the title on Brock was ever a good idea. If nothing else, I really wish Rollins would have won the WWE title at the Rumble. Then have Roman defeat him at WM. Then have Rollins attack Roman afterwards, cash in immediately, only to lose again. Would have made a great WM moment.
Makes sense why WWE didn't want to go with Sting vs Taker considering neither would be there to build it up. Triple H has made the most of it. And Sting's sporadic appearances are helping.
Bray is killing it with promos but we need to see Taker show up to accept. It's been a one man show so far.
People are complaining about Bryan in the IC title match, but truth be told, I think that will easily be match of the night. And has potential to go down as an all time greatest match. It's the best place for him at the moment.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 3, 2015 11:43:25 GMT -5
I completely understand and agree with what you're saying. That is why I don't think putting the title on Brock was ever a good idea. If nothing else, I really wish Rollins would have won the WWE title at the Rumble. Then have Roman defeat him at WM. Then have Rollins attack Roman afterwards, cash in immediately, only to lose again. Would have made a great WM moment. Makes sense why WWE didn't want to go with Sting vs Taker considering neither would be there to build it up. Triple H has made the most of it. And Sting's sporadic appearances are helping. Bray is killing it with promos but we need to see Taker show up to accept. It's been a one man show so far. People are complaining about Bryan in the IC title match, but truth be told, I think that will easily be match of the night. And has potential to go down as an all time greatest match. It's the best place for him at the moment. I agree about Bray. It's like, because he has a focus of his promos, they are better than the stuff he did against Jericho and Ambrose. While I am looking forward to how fun the ladder match could be, I haven't liked the booking. They all just steal the belt and for the most part, have all kind of been losers. Ambrose - Loses all the time Barrett - Has lost four or five TV matches in a row Harper - Loses consistently Truth - Been irrelevant for months Bryan - IC Tile is purely a consolation prize Ziggler - Has been booked well but not what a guy who overcame the Authority should be booked as So granted, I believe the match will be awesome, but I don't have faith in the booking leading up to it or after it. I'm hoping the entire Mania card surprises me and kicks ass though.
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