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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 4, 2015 14:59:47 GMT -5
its no so much Bryan being in the match its that this company is too ing stupid and stuck in the 1980's when it comes to things where there is NO REASON Bryan shouldn't be a top guy. Bryan is better than Reigns in absolutely every single possible way. He is just flat out BETTER. And you have arena's full of people going mental every time the guy does anything great. But yeah, Reigns. it's just complete trash. It's like everything revolves around one guy at a time, and everyone else is just meh whatever put em anywhere, its a completely primitive way to run a wrestling program. for the 500 steps forward they've taken in overall talent.....they take 3000 steps backwards with their horrendous booking decisions. Totally agree. Is it possible to make more than 2 people on the roster look like stars at a time with this company? I don't see why its so hard to show everyone in an equal light. It could be run much differently for the better and it wouldn't hurt the business - but they are so goddamn afraid of showcasing their talent in a different light... its absurd how bad the last few years of television as a whole have really been...with the exception of a few organic things that WWE got lucky with more than planned for.
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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 4, 2015 15:02:22 GMT -5
Lets summarize everything real quick for the people here who think Bryan being in the IC Title match is a good plan.... CREATIVE IS PUTTING THE SAME AMOUNT OF EFFORT, IF NOT MORE, IN R- ING TRUTH AS THEY ARE IN DANIEL BRYAN. Let that sink in.
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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 4, 2015 15:04:03 GMT -5
The issue with him being in a multi-man ladder match is that he's the most over person on the roster, and has been for well over a year. At Wrestlemania, you showcase your brightest stars on the biggest stage possible. You have a unanimous hero, chosen by the crowd, and loved by die-hards, casuals, kids, and everyone in between. In no logical universe is that guy placed in "creative has nothing for you" ladder match at the biggest show of the year. No excuse is justifiable. We know exactly how WWE feels about the Intercontinental Championship. It's not the Intercontinental title of yesteryear. It doesn't build stars anymore. It's a paper trophy for the guys that they don't know what to do with, and if you're trying to make yourself believe anything else, then I don't know what to tell you. The whole "the card is too stacked" argument is such bullcrap. You make a prominent spot for for, at worst, your number two guy. You just do it. You don't let him fall by the wayside. Wrestlemania 5 had like 20 singles matches! They can definitely make one more.... but they aren't... and another lousy thing with Bryan being in the match is that he overshadows everyone else!!! So once again, all the midcarders in this match are coming out looking like a bunch of toolbags AND Daniel Bryan.
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Post by RKOrton #ThankYouLesnar on Mar 4, 2015 18:06:34 GMT -5
The issue with him being in a multi-man ladder match is that he's the most over person on the roster, and has been for well over a year. At Wrestlemania, you showcase your brightest stars on the biggest stage possible. You have a unanimous hero, chosen by the crowd, and loved by die-hards, casuals, kids, and everyone in between. In no logical universe is that guy placed in "creative has nothing for you" ladder match at the biggest show of the year. No excuse is justifiable. We know exactly how WWE feels about the Intercontinental Championship. It's not the Intercontinental title of yesteryear. It doesn't build stars anymore. It's a paper trophy for the guys that they don't know what to do with, and if you're trying to make yourself believe anything else, then I don't know what to tell you. The whole "the card is too stacked" argument is such bullcrap. You make a prominent spot for for, at worst, your number two guy. You just do it. You don't let him fall by the wayside. This! People who argue with this statement seriously have no idea what they are talking about. Not only from a logical booking standpoint does this makes sense but from a business standpoint as well! The money is in Bryan vs Lesnar not a Roman Reigns in the main event at WM! WWE's next top face of the company has been hand picked by the fans like Austin, Rock, Foley, Macho, Hogan, ect....were. Fans pay to see DB and pay for his merchandise. Bryan is already a brand, Roman on the other hand can't even break free of the shield gimmick ( Can you PLEASE put a singlet on the guy! SOMETHING!!) WWE refuses to allow Reigns to develop organically and for that the company deserves all the negative feedback it gets. Fans are smarter now, NO MATTER how much HHH wants to shoot on the IWC by saying "They think they know what goes on in this business". NEWSFLASH Hunter we DO! Im sorry but when it comes to Pro Wrestling, good booking and good business decisions is not ROCKET SCIENCE!!
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Post by Chief on Mar 4, 2015 21:06:46 GMT -5
To me Daniel Bryan can be a top guy but I don't see him being THE top guy.
He has an unique likable charisma that I don't think the WWE has been able to really tap into during his face run. His heel charisma is fantastic.
With that being said I still would have had Bryan win the Rumble and beat Brock if nothing else then to give the fans what they want and get it out of the way.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 4, 2015 21:45:36 GMT -5
Grand slam Bryan? Yeah, im coo with that. Put all the titles on him. Decorate this dude
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:46:37 GMT -5
If Bryan's in the ladder match, he shouldn't win.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 4, 2015 21:49:58 GMT -5
If Bryan's in the ladder match, he shouldn't win. True. I guess Dean should at this point, so Truth doesn't have to keep stealing it
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 21:51:20 GMT -5
If Bryan's in the ladder match, he shouldn't win. True. I guess Dean should at this point, so Truth doesn't have to keep stealing it As long as Truth doesn't win, I can live with Ziggler/Bryan/Ambrose/Harper being champ.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Mar 4, 2015 21:56:00 GMT -5
Im totally fine with Harper champ all the time. Its not ideal for them probably, but dude goes and he's a big mofo.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Mar 5, 2015 3:13:56 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan has to win the IC Title at Wrestlemania.He's been hurt and out of action for what eight or nine months and comes back and loses the Royal Rumble in a chump like fashion and then follows that up by losing to Reigns in a #1 contender match at Fastlane.It would make Bryan look terrible and more so less credible if again he comes back after nearly nine month and loses all of his high profile matches.He could turn the IC Title into a legit title again like Cena could do for the US Title and become the fighting champion the the WWE badly needs right now.The other in the match don't need the win nearly as badly as Bryan Does.
BNB-Another failed run as champion and doing nothing with the belt
Dean Ambrose-Really the only other option besides Bryan to win the IC Title but much like a wrestler from the past in Jake Roberts doesn't need a title to be over or for his character
Luke Harper-Solid big man that just had a short run with the title
Dolph Ziggler-Been in the IC Title mix for months on end and had two short runs recently
R-Truth-After thought
Stardust-In the middle of a feud with Goldust
Goldust-In feud with Stardust
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Post by rob29 on Mar 5, 2015 18:25:11 GMT -5
Personally I don't think Daniel Bryan is apart of the IC title ladder match at mania, yes I know we saw Daniel involved in that little 'intercontinental matter' on raw, with Harper, R-Truth, e.t.c.... but I think that was mainly just to squeeze Daniel into the show, creative probably didn't have much for him on Monday so they threw him in with the IC angle.
there is talk of Daniel facing Sheamus, but again this isn't 100% confirmed either, so who knows.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2015 20:05:58 GMT -5
I see no problem with him being in the match I rather he be in this then that battle royal.I'm actually enjoying this stealing the belt thing there doing it's fun not every feud has to be serious.
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Post by Chief on Mar 8, 2015 18:58:02 GMT -5
Eh, give to Bryan. Why the hell not. At least it would raise the profile of the damn belt.
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Post by MikeMillenium on Mar 8, 2015 19:32:51 GMT -5
Summerslam 2015 Main Event Intercontinental Championship Dolph Ziggler vs. Daniel Bryan
BOOK IT
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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 8, 2015 19:40:22 GMT -5
Summerslam 2015 Main Event Intercontinental Championship Dolph Ziggler vs. Daniel Bryan BOOK IT Ladder match. 20 year anniversary of The Hbk razor ladder match at summerslam 95
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Post by MikeMillenium on Mar 8, 2015 20:06:01 GMT -5
Summerslam 2015 Main Event Intercontinental Championship Dolph Ziggler vs. Daniel Bryan BOOK IT Ladder match. 20 year anniversary of The Hbk razor ladder match at summerslam 95 Daniel Bryan (w/ Shawn Michaels) vs. Dolph Ziggler (w/ Razor Ramon)
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Post by Chief on Mar 8, 2015 20:11:17 GMT -5
WWE WOULD be the type to ignore Shawn Michaels Superkicking Daniel Bryan and costing him the WWE Title so sure.
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Post by Joey Cush on Mar 9, 2015 0:07:48 GMT -5
The issue with him being in a multi-man ladder match is that he's the most over person on the roster, and has been for well over a year. At Wrestlemania, you showcase your brightest stars on the biggest stage possible. You have a unanimous hero, chosen by the crowd, and loved by die-hards, casuals, kids, and everyone in between. In no logical universe is that guy placed in "creative has nothing for you" ladder match at the biggest show of the year. No excuse is justifiable. We know exactly how WWE feels about the Intercontinental Championship. It's not the Intercontinental title of yesteryear. It doesn't build stars anymore. It's a paper trophy for the guys that they don't know what to do with, and if you're trying to make yourself believe anything else, then I don't know what to tell you. The whole "the card is too stacked" argument is such bullcrap. You make a prominent spot for for, at worst, your number two guy. You just do it. You don't let him fall by the wayside. Agree with all of this and, I still cant believe how Bryan was eliminated so carelessly in the Rumble. My god, just thinking about how bad it was.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2015 18:36:23 GMT -5
The problem is not Daniel Bryan being in the ladder match. The problem is R-Truth being in the ladder match. His presence and wacky antics just makes the ladder match seem too "midcard-y". Fans would have less objection to Bryan competing for the IC Title if Truth were removed from the picture and replaced with a "name" talent like Sheamus, Ryback, or The Miz.
Bryan SHOULD win the Intercontinental Championship if only for the possibility of a unification match with United States Champion John Cena.
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