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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 19, 2015 15:18:45 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan does nothing to capture the attention of the casual fan, much like Bret was never able to, which is why Vince was always looking to put someone else ahead of Bret in the title picture. I'm not sure what your definition of the casual fan is, but he does lots to capture the attention of the causal fan who still watches the product. The yes chant is only a part of it. If it weren't for his high energy, and dynamic moves, and ability to connect with the crowd the yes chant wouldn't have gotten over. Also, apart from the chant people love stuff like the back flips, running knees, and dives to the outside. Your feelings on Bret are also off cause Bret was over big with crowds pretty much throughout his whole singles run with the WWE. Vince was/is a size queen, and he's always looking forward, which was why he tried to push guys like Nash and Lugar, but Lugar never got more over than Bret even with Vince dumping all the promotions into him, hence why Bret kept his spot. Bret did move the chains... Especially overseas. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 19, 2015 15:36:29 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan does nothing to capture the attention of the casual fan, much like Bret was never able to, which is why Vince was always looking to put someone else ahead of Bret in the title picture. I'm not sure what your definition of the casual fan is, but he does lots to capture the attention of the causal fan who still watches the product. The yes chant is only a part of it. If it weren't for his high energy, and dynamic moves, and ability to connect with the crowd the yes chant wouldn't have gotten over. Also, apart from the chant people love stuff like the back flips, running knees, and dives to the outside. Your feelings on Bret are also off cause Bret was over big with crowds pretty much throughout his whole singles run with the WWE. Vince was/is a size queen, and he's always looking forward, which was why he tried to push guys like Nash and Lugar, but Lugar never got more over than Bret even with Vince dumping all the promotions into him, hence why Bret kept his spot. Bret did move the chains... Especially overseas.That's still kind of a mystery isn't it? Even Bret said he didn't quite understand why he was received like the Beatles in Germany and England. I do love Bret, it was just rather startling. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 19, 2015 17:29:29 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan does nothing to capture the attention of the casual fan, much like Bret was never able to, which is why Vince was always looking to put someone else ahead of Bret in the title picture. And that's why Vince kept going back to Bret after Yoko, Luger, Diesel, and HBK all failed as the top guys... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 17:35:29 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan does nothing to capture the attention of the casual fan, much like Bret was never able to, which is why Vince was always looking to put someone else ahead of Bret in the title picture. And that's why Vince kept going back to Bret after Yoko, Luger, Diesel, and HBK all failed as the top guys... And why Bret outdrew Hogan when comparing the months they spent as champion in 93. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Mar 19, 2015 17:40:33 GMT -5
And that's why Vince kept going back to Bret after Yoko, Luger, Diesel, and HBK all failed as the top guys... And why Bret outdrew Hogan when comparing the months they spent as champion in 93. And why when looking at '96 January and February were more profitable than any other month of the year and the Raw when Bret returned in the fall was the highest drawing Raw of the year. I always lol when people say HBK was the man in '96. |
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Post by June on Mar 19, 2015 17:41:02 GMT -5
Hogan as champion in 93 had 1 match. At King of the Ring.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 17:47:25 GMT -5
And why Bret outdrew Hogan when comparing the months they spent as champion in 93. And why when looking at '96 January and February were more profitable than any other month of the year and the Raw when Bret returned in the fall was the highest drawing Raw of the year. I always lol when people say HBK was the man in '96. Bret wasn't even there for like 6 months and he was still the man lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 17:54:26 GMT -5
My gf is a "casual fan" and can easily tell you much more about Daniel Bryan than Roman Reigns...and she doesn't even know his name. She calls him "Yes Man" or "Beard Man" half the time. However, she still knows who he is compared to Reigns. Same as my mom. She loves Bryan. Calls him the Yes Man. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2015 17:54:37 GMT -5
Hogan as champion in 93 had 1 match. At King of the Ring. He worked house shows all through 93 though. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 19, 2015 23:40:39 GMT -5
Bret seriously doesnt understand why Hogan is the one inducting Savage? Really, how hard did Goldberg kick him? His egg really is permanently scrambled. Someone should tell Bret while he was hovering around feuding with the Fabulous Rougeau Brothers & The Bolsheviks, Hogan and Savage were the two top draws in the WWF and were main eventing TOGETHER. The Mega Powers storyline that single handedly launched the SummerSlam event. Then when they both jumped ship to WCW and left Bret alone as "the man" the company they helped bring to National prominence almost went belly up until Steve Austin came in and replaced both Hart & Michaels as the top guy. Yes Bret, it makes no sense for Hogan to induct Savage, maybe you should do it since you were in the ring with him all of twice.  |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 20, 2015 2:44:57 GMT -5
Bret seriously doesnt understand why Hogan is the one inducting Savage? Really, how hard did Goldberg kick him? His egg really is permanently scrambled. Someone should tell Bret while he was hovering around feuding with the Fabulous Rougeau Brothers & The Bolsheviks, Hogan and Savage were the two top draws in the WWF and were main eventing TOGETHER. The Mega Powers storyline that single handedly launched the SummerSlam event. Then when they both jumped ship to WCW and left Bret alone as "the man" the company they helped bring to National prominence almost went belly up until Steve Austin came in and replaced both Hart & Michaels as the top guy. Yes Bret, it makes no sense for Hogan to induct Savage, maybe you should do it since you were in the ring with him all of twice. I'm sure he sees the logic in it (their careers being so intertwined), but I think his comment was more a commentary on them not really getting along, or Savage not liking him. So in that respect its an odd choice. To be fair, from what I've seen and read, Bret and Randy got along really well in the back. Apparently he and Liz would often watch his kids during matches. Also, not sure what Bret being "the man" and how the company preformed during his watch has to do with who should induct Savage... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 11:21:46 GMT -5
Savage didn't just dislike Hogan, he  ing hated him. I do find it kind of insulting to the honor of Savage to be inducted by a man he despised (and who reportedly caused many personal problems for him). Steamboat, Flair, DiBiase. Jake or even Bret or DDP would have been viable candidates to induct Savage. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 12:30:39 GMT -5
Savage didn't just dislike Hogan, he ing hated him. I do find it kind of insulting to the honor of Savage to be inducted by a man he despised (and who reportedly caused many personal problems for him). Steamboat, Flair, DiBiase. Jake or even Bret or DDP would have been viable candidates to induct Savage. I don't believe Hogan caused any personal problems for Savage. When Savages career was in downturn he loved to blame Hogan-and so do his fans. Savage fans: Hogan stole the limelight from Savage at WM4. The Truth: Savage requested Hogan be out there so his coronation as champ be met with thunderous applause. Savage Fans: Hogan caused the rift between Liz and Savage. The Truth: Their relationship was in trouble for quite some time....and randy involving her in the Flair storyline without her consent was the final nail in that coffin lid. Savage fans: Hogan caused trouble in Randys career from 92 onwards. The truth: Sids contract dictated the WM8 ME......Hogan was gone then until 1993. he was hardly there in 1993 and had zero to do with Savage unless you believe the story about Savage going to win the RR and Vince changing it to Yoko because it fit his plans for a returning Hogan better?...... Savage paired up with Hogan again in WCW and they were best buds onscreen and off......when they feuded with Hogan as a heel Randy wasn't happy there either and wanted into the nWo. Hogan got him in.....Hall & Nash didn't want him in there. Plus he was as guilty as Hogan in 1998 during the Sting debacle. Hogan was absolutely the only choice to induct Savage folks. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 12:46:12 GMT -5
Savage didn't just dislike Hogan, he ing hated him. I do find it kind of insulting to the honor of Savage to be inducted by a man he despised (and who reportedly caused many personal problems for him). Steamboat, Flair, DiBiase. Jake or even Bret or DDP would have been viable candidates to induct Savage. I don't believe Hogan caused any personal problems for Savage. When Savages career was in downturn he loved to blame Hogan-and so do his fans. Savage fans: Hogan stole the limelight from Savage at WM4. The Truth: Savage requested Hogan be out there so his coronation as champ be met with thunderous applause. Savage Fans: Hogan caused the rift between Liz and Savage. The Truth: Their relationship was in trouble for quite some time....and randy involving her in the Flair storyline without her consent was the final nail in that coffin lid. Savage fans: Hogan caused trouble in Randys career from 92 onwards. The truth: Sids contract dictated the WM8 ME......Hogan was gone then until 1993. he was hardly there in 1993 and had zero to do with Savage unless you believe the story about Savage going to win the RR and Vince changing it to Yoko because it fit his plans for a returning Hogan better?...... Savage paired up with Hogan again in WCW and they were best buds onscreen and off......when they feuded with Hogan as a heel Randy wasn't happy there either and wanted into the nWo. Hogan got him in.....Hall & Nash didn't want him in there. Plus he was as guilty as Hogan in 1998 during the Sting debacle. Hogan was absolutely the only choice to induct Savage folks. No doubt Savage either loved or hated Hogan depending on his mood back in the day, but in recent years he wanted nothing to do with him and had nothing good to say about him. I doubt if he were alive he'd pick Hogan to induct him. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 13:19:30 GMT -5
Maybe not AF....but none of us know how things were with them in recent times really.
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 20, 2015 17:11:07 GMT -5
Savage didn't just dislike Hogan, he ing hated him. I do find it kind of insulting to the honor of Savage to be inducted by a man he despised (and who reportedly caused many personal problems for him). Steamboat, Flair, DiBiase. Jake or even Bret or DDP would have been viable candidates to induct Savage. I don't believe Hogan caused any personal problems for Savage. When Savages career was in downturn he loved to blame Hogan-and so do his fans. Savage fans: Hogan stole the limelight from Savage at WM4. I don't think that.
The Truth: Savage requested Hogan be out there so his coronation as champ be met with thunderous applause. Savage Fans: Hogan caused the rift between Liz and Savage. Or that.The Truth: Their relationship was in trouble for quite some time....and randy involving her in the Flair storyline without her consent was the final nail in that coffin lid. Savage fans: Hogan caused trouble in Randys career from 92 onwards. Or that.The truth: Sids contract dictated the WM8 ME......Hogan was gone then until 1993. he was hardly there in 1993 and had zero to do with Savage unless you believe the story about Savage going to win the RR and Vince changing it to Yoko because it fit his plans for a returning Hogan better?...... Savage paired up with Hogan again in WCW and they were best buds onscreen and off......when they feuded with Hogan as a heel Randy wasn't happy there either and wanted into the nWo. Hogan got him in.....Hall & Nash didn't want him in there. Plus he was as guilty as Hogan in 1998 during the Sting debacle. !@#$%Hogan was absolutely the only choice to induct Savage folks. I understand it's hard to be a Hogan fan in the shadow of such monumental Macho, but this is not the way, my friend. So Hogan was a fat bald orange guy in a yellow diaper stuck on repeat, so what?? Who cares what anyone else thinks, yellow Depends™ aren't that bad, and he was still a good solid wrestler. He was on the cover of Nintendo Power and no one can take that away from you, sure he wasn't wearing the Power Glove like you know who, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. The big thing is that Macho Man is no more, so he can't hurt you or Hogan now. All the Whogans in Whoville can come out to play again, the Macho's heart grew a few sizes to large one day and the Kingdom of Madness was over. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 17:51:55 GMT -5
I don't believe Hogan caused any personal problems for Savage. When Savages career was in downturn he loved to blame Hogan-and so do his fans. Savage fans: Hogan stole the limelight from Savage at WM4. I don't think that.
The Truth: Savage requested Hogan be out there so his coronation as champ be met with thunderous applause. Savage Fans: Hogan caused the rift between Liz and Savage. Or that.The Truth: Their relationship was in trouble for quite some time....and randy involving her in the Flair storyline without her consent was the final nail in that coffin lid. Savage fans: Hogan caused trouble in Randys career from 92 onwards. Or that.The truth: Sids contract dictated the WM8 ME......Hogan was gone then until 1993. he was hardly there in 1993 and had zero to do with Savage unless you believe the story about Savage going to win the RR and Vince changing it to Yoko because it fit his plans for a returning Hogan better?...... Savage paired up with Hogan again in WCW and they were best buds onscreen and off......when they feuded with Hogan as a heel Randy wasn't happy there either and wanted into the nWo. Hogan got him in.....Hall & Nash didn't want him in there. Plus he was as guilty as Hogan in 1998 during the Sting debacle. !@#$%Hogan was absolutely the only choice to induct Savage folks. I understand it's hard to be a Hogan fan in the shadow of such monumental Macho, but this is not the way, my friend. So Hogan was a fat bald orange guy in a yellow diaper stuck on repeat, so what?? Who cares what anyone else thinks, yellow Depends™ aren't that bad, and he was still a good solid wrestler. He was on the cover of Nintendo Power and no one can take that away from you, sure he wasn't wearing the Power Glove like you know who, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. The big thing is that Macho Man is no more, so he can't hurt you or Hogan now. All the Whogans in Whoville can come out to play again, the Macho's heart grew a few sizes to large one day and the Kingdom of Madness was over. just an FYI.....Savage fans is a generalisation. but since you have taken it personally? Macho cant hurt me? what on Earth are you talking about? Do yourself a favour and think before you post man. I love most of Savages ring work. I also have PLENTY negative to say about Hogan......but if you had stopped to think before you posted? You would knbow that from my posts. contact marino13 ASAP for tips on how to be a great Randy Savage fan. |
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Post by Hulk Who? on Mar 20, 2015 17:58:43 GMT -5
I understand it's hard to be a Hogan fan in the shadow of such monumental Macho, but this is not the way, my friend. So Hogan was a fat bald orange guy in a yellow diaper stuck on repeat, so what?? Who cares what anyone else thinks, yellow Depends™ aren't that bad, and he was still a good solid wrestler. He was on the cover of Nintendo Power and no one can take that away from you, sure he wasn't wearing the Power Glove like you know who, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. The big thing is that Macho Man is no more, so he can't hurt you or Hogan now. All the Whogans in Whoville can come out to play again, the Macho's heart grew a few sizes to large one day and the Kingdom of Madness was over. Macho cant hurt me? what on Earth are you talking about? Do yourself a favour and think before you post man. I love most of Savages ring work. I also have PLENTY negative to say about Hogan. contact marino13 ASAP for tips on how to be a great Randy Savage fan. I'm joking and talking nonsense! How could you take that seriously?? Nintendo Power, Whoville etc. It's a ridiculous post. Anyway no I don't blame Hogan for anything with Savage. Savage had some problems that really had nothing to do with Hogan as far as I can tell. And I don't really hate Hogan. I know you liked the Mega Powers, seen you post it lots of times. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2015 18:00:34 GMT -5
Macho cant hurt me? what on Earth are you talking about? Do yourself a favour and think before you post man. I love most of Savages ring work. I also have PLENTY negative to say about Hogan. contact marino13 ASAP for tips on how to be a great Randy Savage fan. I'm joking and talking nonsense! How could you take that seriously?? Nintendo Power, Whoville etc. It's a ridiculous post. Anyway no I don't blame Hogan for anything with Savage. Savage had some problems that really had nothing to do with Hogan as far as I can tell. And I don't really hate Hogan. I know you liked the Mega Powers, seen you post it lots of times. LOL......my bad man!! You would be surprised at the nonsense some people pass off as serious here. Guess Im just jaded with it!! |
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Post by marino13 on Mar 20, 2015 18:02:36 GMT -5
I understand it's hard to be a Hogan fan in the shadow of such monumental Macho, but this is not the way, my friend. So Hogan was a fat bald orange guy in a yellow diaper stuck on repeat, so what?? Who cares what anyone else thinks, yellow Depends™ aren't that bad, and he was still a good solid wrestler. He was on the cover of Nintendo Power and no one can take that away from you, sure he wasn't wearing the Power Glove like you know who, but beggars can't be choosers and all that. The big thing is that Macho Man is no more, so he can't hurt you or Hogan now. All the Whogans in Whoville can come out to play again, the Macho's heart grew a few sizes to large one day and the Kingdom of Madness was over. just an FYI.....Savage fans is a generalisation. but since you have taken it personally? Macho cant hurt me? what on Earth are you talking about? Do yourself a favour and think before you post man. I love most of Savages ring work. I also have PLENTY negative to say about Hogan......but if you had stopped to think before you posted? You would knbow that from my posts. contact marino13 ASAP for tips on how to be a great Randy Savage fan. I f*****g loved him so much!  |
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