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Post by Planktung on Jun 1, 2015 22:15:15 GMT -5
Simply put, Bray Wyatt's potential was unreal. One of the most intriguing characters of this era. He has a great, unique look to him. He can go on the mic and in the ring. Wyatt had everything necessary to become a success and one of the biggest names in the industry.
Everything except for competent booking.
The John Cena rivalry did far more damage to Wyatt than good. He lost to Chris Jericho on PPV, a guy who shouldn't have gotten a single win over Wyatt. Harper and Rowan were ripped away from him. He got his momentum back, only to lose to The Undertaker. Just when it seemed like Wyatt was going to get back on track after going over Ryback, he loses to a guy who wrestled twice before on the same show. With interference, might I add. Just awful booking.
Bray Wyatt is the kind of guy who needed a sh*t ton of effort on WWE's part to completely screw up, but they managed to do it. It really hurts to know that this company wasted their chance to make Wyatt a star.
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Post by The Yes Man on Jun 1, 2015 22:21:30 GMT -5
What pisses me off about it especially is, they protected Mark Henry with a count out and then pinned Wyatt.. I mean FFS what did Bray do to piss management off? He knocks all the stupid crapthey give him as far out as possible..
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Post by CaK on Jun 1, 2015 22:21:40 GMT -5
I feel like Vince has really taken to the "attraction" angle he talked about with Lesnar on Austin's podcast with some guys. Taker of course follows this however I almost feel Wyatt is going this way as well. Its like well we need something dark to put over said face....send end Bray. With the reformation of Harper and Rowan I could see the Wyatts being repackaged soon with maybe new members.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Jun 1, 2015 22:22:41 GMT -5
Look, I'm not the biggest fan of the guy's ring work, but they absolutely blew it with him. After the Cena feud, it was hard to care about him. Then he did ALL of the legwork to build something with the Undertaker only to lose to him. Now he's back to pointless stuff and looking bad.
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Post by Tyler Black on Jun 1, 2015 22:23:15 GMT -5
Believe it or not, there's still time to recover. Honestly I can see how it can be fixed right now. Have Bray really "snap" and show his true "dark side" laying people out backstage, beating the ever living crapout of guys week in and week out. Now move him into a major feud with Orton. Have him destroy Orton, absolutely destroy him like he's never done to anyone before. Bam Wyatts a threat again, now you move him into the main event. Sadly, this will never happen. I think the pg rating is really hurting Wyatt honestly. If they could push the envelope a bit, allow Bray to be more sadistic and cult like, hell, Charles Manson like, I think it would do wonders for his career
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Post by facemeat on Jun 1, 2015 22:23:33 GMT -5
He's been repeating the exact same angle with different opponents for over a year now. I think that's an even bigger problem than his losses at this point.
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Post by Brad on Jun 1, 2015 22:24:32 GMT -5
He's been repeating the exact same angle with different opponents for over a year now. I think that's an even bigger problem than his losses at this point. This holds some merit too |
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Post by HHH316 on Jun 1, 2015 22:56:25 GMT -5
I'm not one to be too judgmental when it comes to the booking (despite some of it being down right terrible) but tonight was an absolute SMH kinda moment
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Post by Starscream on Jun 1, 2015 23:07:31 GMT -5
He never evolves his character, he is the same exact character he was when he debuted. He lacks character development, probably Vince is the one that doesnt want him to change but I think he feels too comfortable in his character, Undertaker evolved over the years, he was a mindless zombie then a lord of darkness to an American badass, and so on. A character soo "complex and deep" as Wyatts I feel needs change and evolution. It gets old.
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Post by RybackV1 on Jun 1, 2015 23:46:49 GMT -5
He got a massive win over DA BIG GUY , current IC Champ, and one of the most over stars on the roster at a recent PPV. He's not doing that bad
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jun 2, 2015 0:03:50 GMT -5
He got a massive win over DA BIG GUY , current IC Champ, and one of the most over stars on the roster at a recent PPV. He's not doing that bad He got pinned clean by a guy that had just gone through two matches... |
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Jun 2, 2015 0:19:26 GMT -5
He never evolves his character, he is the same exact character he was when he debuted. He lacks character development, probably Vince is the one that doesnt want him to change but I think he feels too comfortable in his character, Undertaker evolved over the years, he was a mindless zombie then a lord of darkness to an American badass, and so on. A character soo "complex and deep" as Wyatts I feel needs change and evolution. It gets old. Undertaker has been around for 25 years....Bray has been around for 2. It took 6-7 years to evolve from a zombie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 0:23:29 GMT -5
I don't think WWE knows what to do with a guy like Bray. They've also been pretty much crapping on all of the heels this year when it comes to giving them any wins.
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Post by Starscream on Jun 2, 2015 0:28:16 GMT -5
He never evolves his character, he is the same exact character he was when he debuted. He lacks character development, probably Vince is the one that doesnt want him to change but I think he feels too comfortable in his character, Undertaker evolved over the years, he was a mindless zombie then a lord of darkness to an American badass, and so on. A character soo "complex and deep" as Wyatts I feel needs change and evolution. It gets old. Undertaker has been around for 25 years....Bray has been around for 2. It took 6-7 years to evolve from a zombie. Those were the old times, sadly nowadays people lose interest very quickly, plus Wyatt begun his character as someone that was already "deep and complex" and could talk, he didnt start as a zombie, I only pointed that one out because the changes and evolution in Takers character are more notable. |
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Post by TheNinthCloud on Jun 2, 2015 0:31:56 GMT -5
He never evolves his character, he is the same exact character he was when he debuted. He lacks character development, probably Vince is the one that doesnt want him to change but I think he feels too comfortable in his character, Undertaker evolved over the years, he was a mindless zombie then a lord of darkness to an American badass, and so on. A character soo "complex and deep" as Wyatts I feel needs change and evolution. It gets old. Undertaker has been around for 25 years....Bray has been around for 2. It took 6-7 years to evolve from a zombie. Did get a demon brother, though. |
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Post by A-Rob on Jun 2, 2015 1:25:56 GMT -5
After him losing tonight after failed interference it's official, Bray Wyatt is just another guy stuck in mid card hell. He had so much potential and could have been a # 2 heel even though his in ring wasn't that great. His gimmick is money and it's a shame WWE doesn't see it and gave up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 2:26:26 GMT -5
I've never been too hot on the guys ring work, because I feel that his moveset is limited, but my  ing god can the guy cut a promo and tell a story. He has literally EVERYTHING you need to be a big player. Yeah, like I said, I feel that his moveset is a bit limited, but nobody would care, because his amazing gimmick, promos, look and entrance would distract from that. Simply put, Wyatt had all the potential in the word when he came to Raw in 2013, but now, I feel like that's been killed. ...however. About 3 months ago, we were all saying this about Dean Ambrose. He lost a mid-card match at TLC, didn't wrestle at Fastlane, lost in MITB at Mania, wrestled in the opener at Extreme Rules, and we were all saying that WWE had killed him, but look at him now. I'm hanging on to every last hope that this will work for Bray. |
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Jun 2, 2015 3:02:21 GMT -5
Bray is probably the guy I'm behind the second most to really make it. The fact that he's been able to bounce back so well after the number of times he was mismanaged is a testament to how good he is in his role. Tonight however was bad, really bad.
When he was being built for Taker I thought he was finally breaking through. I knew he'd lose, but he was built strong, and those back to back wins over Ziggler were fresh enough to carry him into a strong feud (I'd have him go against Cena again and win, but Cena's title win made that impractical).
Not to be overly dramatic, but the guy has been pretty quiet since beating Ryback. Ryback's title win mixed with tonight's loss basically erased that entire feud. the biggest problem it seems is that the writers don't know what to do with Wyatt. I initially thought they brought Henry over Wyatt for Rusev to keep Wyatt from being beaten, but tonight pretty much destroyed that. Wyatt should've won or the match shouldn't have taken place. Reigns could've easily beaten the Big Show or Kane, or the Big Show and Kane together, or the Big Show and Kane and J and J if they wanted to be super over the top; Wyatt could've challenged the man he beat at Payback for his newly won intercontinental title.
or Wyatt could've beaten a severely weakened Reigns (who would've not only still looked strong, but would've gotten sympathy and ultimately could've found another way into MITB) and been in the match as well.
Strictly from a booking logic (I know) point of view why was Ryback, who lost to Wyatt in the IC EC? Why is Wyatt not in MITB over either Kofi or Neville? It really kills me when a potential long term top guy is booked into oblivion.
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Post by King Silva on Jun 2, 2015 4:47:03 GMT -5
I feel bad for him losing to Reigns when he was fresh and had help while Reigns already wrestled nearly 20 minutes earlier in the night. Idk what they are doing with him and sadly I don't see it getting any better anytime soon.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 5:09:54 GMT -5
This forum. Bray was named by Vince McMahon himself on Austin's podcast a few months ago as one of the few guys he liked along with the current WWE Champion. He wrestled in the main event and is treated as a big deal regardless of his record. The only thing I don't agree with was him not beating Taker. He should have and Taker should have had "one last stand" at Mania 32 and retire. Still, I think Wyatt has bounced back. A few months ago we where all worried Ambrose would go nowhere. Two nights ago Officer Ambrose pinned the WWE Champion and was Champion until the Dusty finish. Anything can happen. Just enjoy the show.... or don't. I don't really care, because I am, and that's all that matters to me to be blunt. Bray only lost because of the 7 ft. piece of crap, Reigns only beat Henry by a count out, and Barrett is enhancement talent. Reigns sold like a mother er and the ending protected Wyatt anyway because of Kane's interference. You can't forget. They're still building Roman Reigns to be a star. He is over, I can't see how that can be disputed anymore. I'm getting the vibes that we're getting a Bray face turn soon. Not sure why, but I feel it, and when he does it'll definitely be interesting. |
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