TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jun 8, 2015 13:55:48 GMT -5
I agree with hbkbigdaddycool on this one. It is just more proof of the idiocy of McMahon at times. This is 1996, you are seeing what WCW is doing to you and the trend of reality based storylines. Post NWO, you give us this, the Sultan, flying f'n nuns, flash Funk, make Austin a mute following his ECW promos, fake Diesel and Razor, Sal Sincere, and I am sure there are more. I will always feel, could be very wrong, that the talents, and other voices, won out here and Vince eventually allowed guys to be themselves (Austin,HBk,Rock,Foley). Not saying Vince is an idiot. He hit it big with Hogan and expansion. But he has made a ton of mistakes, and only when pushed to extinction, did he change his ways in 97 or so. agree with all this. it kinda started in 1996, but mainly in 1997, when some of the talent started to "push back", for lack of a better term, and started to complain - Bret, Shawn, Hunter, Taker, Mankind, Austin, Jim Ross, jim Cornette, and Vince Russo were the ones who spearheaded this, having the nerve ( or balls as it were) to tell Vince "No", or tell him some of his ideas sucked. since the 80's, Vince had basically surrounded himself with a buffering group of "Yes-Men", and it was very, very hard to get through to him. a lot of guys were just happy to be there, or happy to have the job, and would take whatever was given to them, no complaints rendered. hell, Vince wanted Foley to come in as "The Mutilator", complete with medieval-style outfit and chain mail! Austin was the Ringmaster - bad in and of itself - but almost became Chilly McFreeze or Baron Von Ruthless when he suggested a more "stone cold" type of character! as much hate as they got - and some of it rightfully so - Russo,Shawn and Hunter used their backstage pull to go end around Vince's stooges and tell the man directly that he was out of touch, WCW was kicking their asses, and his ideas sucked! That's exactly what is happening now. They need a wrestler's union to band together and make a stand. Stand up to Vince/Creative and all their wacky stupid ideas. I believe they should really listen to the wrestlers themselves, and even hire a roundtable of real wrestling fans to come up with creative ideas. Peopl who actually know what the business is like, and that storylines aren't 5 minute wonders and quickly swept under the rug when convenient. These useless failed soap opera/"Hollywood" writers know nothing of how to book, and just create so many inconsistencies because they think we have short memories.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 8, 2015 14:13:37 GMT -5
agree with all this. it kinda started in 1996, but mainly in 1997, when some of the talent started to "push back", for lack of a better term, and started to complain - Bret, Shawn, Hunter, Taker, Mankind, Austin, Jim Ross, jim Cornette, and Vince Russo were the ones who spearheaded this, having the nerve ( or balls as it were) to tell Vince "No", or tell him some of his ideas sucked. since the 80's, Vince had basically surrounded himself with a buffering group of "Yes-Men", and it was very, very hard to get through to him. a lot of guys were just happy to be there, or happy to have the job, and would take whatever was given to them, no complaints rendered. hell, Vince wanted Foley to come in as "The Mutilator", complete with medieval-style outfit and chain mail! Austin was the Ringmaster - bad in and of itself - but almost became Chilly McFreeze or Baron Von Ruthless when he suggested a more "stone cold" type of character! as much hate as they got - and some of it rightfully so - Russo,Shawn and Hunter used their backstage pull to go end around Vince's stooges and tell the man directly that he was out of touch, WCW was kicking their asses, and his ideas sucked! That's exactly what is happening now. They need a wrestler's union to band together and make a stand. Stand up to Vince/Creative and all their wacky stupid ideas. I believe they should really listen to the wrestlers themselves, and even hire a roundtable of real wrestling fans to come up with creative ideas. Peopl who actually know what the business is like, and that storylines aren't 5 minute wonders and quickly swept under the rug when convenient. These useless failed soap opera/"Hollywood" writers know nothing of how to book, and just create so many inconsistencies because they think we have short memories. when Vince and WWF hit rock bottom in 1997, he finally opened his eyes and knew he was behind the times. he even had the infamous meeting after Brian Pillman died when Vince said he was out of touch with today's audience. and a lot of creative ideas and input were them done by the wrestlers themselves, who were give creative freedom to create (or recreate) their characters, storylines, promos, and matches. all this did was lead to the most profitable, most watched Era in WWF/WWE history! the problem was WCW;s demise. once that happened, the old Vince, the one who knew better than anyone else, the one who didn't care what the talent had to say, started to creep back to the surface. he considered himself King Of Sports Entertainment, completely forgetting how it was the wrestlers, and his willingness to trust them, that got him there. his relationship with Foley is very telling. when he came in during 1996, he sensed Vince didn't really care for him - it was Cornette and JR who got him hired. but by 1997, they grew to be on friendly terms, and by 1998 and especially 1999, Foley considered Vince a friend, a mentor in the backstage creative process, and someone Foley considered a genuinely good person. He legitimately quit after the Montreal Screwjob, and vince personally called him to try and convince him to come back. fast forward to 2006, Foley's return to the company. he said Vince was obnoxious, brash, would routinely yell at and berate the talent, and would practically stroke out screaming through the headsets at the announcers. when Foley told Vince he was thinking of quitting, Vince really didn't care. Foley said he was a completely different person that the one who was there when he left, and it was a toxic, harassment-filled work environment that he didn't want to stay in anymore.
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TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on Jun 8, 2015 15:08:51 GMT -5
Ironic how all that was going down then, and Vince admitting they need to roll with the times (him being out of touch), and yet he's doing similar crap nowadays, with Cena confronting him 2 years ago telling him how out of touch Vince really was. Look at what good that did...
I do believe Triple H will be the best thing for the WWE since the AE, but he needs full control. As in no Steph.
I'm glad Mick stood up for himself too. Heard a while back he wasn't on good terms with Vince, and well, he can do better without wasting energy on mending fences with him
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Post by mikey1974 on Jun 8, 2015 17:26:44 GMT -5
Ironic how all that was going down then, and Vince admitting they need to roll with the times (him being out of touch), and yet he's doing similar crap nowadays, with Cena confronting him 2 years ago telling him how out of touch Vince really was. Look at what good that did... I do believe Triple H will be the best thing for the WWE since the AE, but he needs full control. As in no Steph. I'm glad Mick stood up for himself too. Heard a while back he wasn't on good terms with Vince, and well, he can do better without wasting energy on mending fences with him the problem now is, no one wrestler has any influence on Vince. back then it was The Cliq, Taker, Bret, guys getting hot like Austin. the literal FEAR of the competition led him to listen. he doesn't have that now. nor is there an actual GROUP of wrestlers who could influence him. Cena, yeah, but he's one man, under contract, and where else is he going to go and make as much as he is now? Taker is only a once a year thing, and is beyond the point of caring about the overall WWE product or doing backstage politics. Austin - gone. Rock - usually gone. who else will step up - Ambrose? Reigns? Rollins? Wyatt? Ryback? another issue is Dunn. Vince implicitly trusts him, like, more than his own family sometimes. and what he says, Vince listens to. when Triple H finally takes over, Vince will be gone, Kevin Dunn will be gone. you'll have agents and people surrounding Hunter like Shawn michaels, Kevin Nash, Sean Waltman, and I even heard Undertaker might be in line for a position. I have a feeling, just based upon what he's done with NXT in a "PG Era" type of way, that we'll get an edgier, more rounded, more angle and character based product that doesn't exclusively cater to kids. I really think it will be an exciting time, but it might be years, if not a decade or more, away. let's hope Vince and Dunn don't completely piss away the whole thing before then, like they almost did in 2008 - 2010.
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Post by JC Motors on Jun 9, 2015 12:58:12 GMT -5
What a strange gimmick.
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Post by Funk The Revival on Jun 11, 2015 13:58:28 GMT -5
Farooq - Ahmed Johnson. Greatest feud of all time
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 15:31:54 GMT -5
1996 Sunny couldn't even save this sh*t.
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