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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 2, 2015 20:38:59 GMT -5
The internet is great yet awful. so many people believe fox news type non sense because they see it posted on Facebook from a site called libertynews or some crap like that. It also gives racists and pedophiles an outlet too be commended for being a crapty person. It's been my experience that the "Fox News types" are usually the ones who make these complaints. Just look at the gay marriage issue. They've somehow made themselves out to be the victims. Where have you seen pedophiles being comended???
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:01:27 GMT -5
The internet is great yet awful. so many people believe fox news type non sense because they see it posted on Facebook from a site called libertynews or some crap like that. It also gives racists and pedophiles an outlet too be commended for being a crapty person. It's been my experience that the "Fox News types" are usually the ones who make these complaints. Just look at the gay marriage issue. They've somehow made themselves out to be the victims. Where have you seen pedophiles being comended??? Sorry for not explaining further. The internet gives people like that an outlet to find like minded individuals. There's been so many instances where sites and message boards of been shut down by the fbi, because it was practically a meeting place for pedophiles to trade media and stories, get an Internet pat on the back. Where in normal society, they're rightfully shunned. Theres so many conservative news sites that report anything but news and so many people eat it up and believe it. Same goes for conspiracy nuts. Not saying the internet is evil or anything..just can be used for bad things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:19:33 GMT -5
It's been my experience that the "Fox News types" are usually the ones who make these complaints. Just look at the gay marriage issue. They've somehow made themselves out to be the victims. Where have you seen pedophiles being comended??? Sorry for not explaining further. The internet gives people like that an outlet to find like minded individuals. There's been so many instances where sites and message boards of been shut down by the fbi, because it was practically a meeting place for pedophiles to trade media and stories, get an Internet pat on the back. Where in normal society, they're rightfully shunned. Theres so many conservative news sites that report anything but news and so many people eat it up and believe it. Same goes for conspiracy nuts. Not saying the internet is evil or anything..just can be used for bad things. There are plenty of liberal news sites that do the exact same thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 8:32:13 GMT -5
The internet is great yet awful. so many people believe fox news type non sense because they see it posted on Facebook from a site called libertynews or some crap like that. It also gives racists and pedophiles an outlet too be commended for being a crapty person. It's been my experience that the "Fox News types" are usually the ones who make these complaints. Just look at the gay marriage issue. They've somehow made themselves out to be the victims. Where have you seen pedophiles being comended??? Fox News is the most trusted news network. Go ahead and Google "most trusted news network" and tell me what you get back. I already did. The entire first page of results contains story after story touting Fox News as the most trusted. There are many religious organizations that don't allow for homosexual marriage. A federal ruling disallowing discrimination in the issuing of marriage liscences is the first step in compelling those organizations to either perform homosexual marriages or lose their tax exempt status. The media chooses to focus on conservative, Christian, republican opposition to the ruling in their coverage. For this reason they most assuredly are the victims in the ruling because they are A) the focus of the negative coverage, and B) in danger of losing their protected tax status. You surely don't think homosexuals are the victims in the court's ruling do you? They won the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 12:26:15 GMT -5
It's been my experience that the "Fox News types" are usually the ones who make these complaints. Just look at the gay marriage issue. They've somehow made themselves out to be the victims. Where have you seen pedophiles being comended??? Fox News is the most trusted news network. Go ahead and Google "most trusted news network" and tell me what you get back. I already did. The entire first page of results contains story after story touting Fox News as the most trusted. There are many religious organizations that don't allow for homosexual marriage. A federal ruling disallowing discrimination in the issuing of marriage liscences is the first step in compelling those organizations to either perform homosexual marriages or lose their tax exempt status. The media chooses to focus on conservative, Christian, republican opposition to the ruling in their coverage. For this reason they most assuredly are the victims in the ruling because they are A) the focus of the negative coverage, and B) in danger of losing their protected tax status. You surely don't think homosexuals are the victims in the court's ruling do you? They won the case. There should be no victims in this ruling. the religious institutes that are playing victim. It's about time that they should be shunned for discriminating against gays, like people get mauled for discriminating against race.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 3, 2015 12:51:38 GMT -5
There are plenty of liberal news sites that do the exact same thing. That's probably true. But being very liberal myself, I tend to stay away from the liberal outlets myself. I already know how I feel. I don't need someone screaming my opinions at me. I did say that my statement was from my personal experience. And I honestly don't recall any liberals every dating that some conservative policy was a personal attack on them. Fox News is the most trusted news network. Go ahead and Google "most trusted news network" and tell me what you get back. I already did. The entire first page of results contains story after story touting Fox News as the most trusted. I'm not going to do that right now but I am going to do it soon and get back to you. I am curious about that. There are many religious organizations that don't allow for homosexual marriage. A federal ruling disallowing discrimination in the issuing of marriage liscences is the first step in compelling those organizations to either perform homosexual marriages or lose their tax exempt status. Fear mongering. Christian churches aren't forced too marry Jewish or Muslim couples and vice versa, so why would they be forced to marry gay couples? It makes no sense. Besides, would you want to get married in a place, by a priest ego firebrand believe in your right to get married? Churches shouldn't be exempt from taxes. Especially these ing mini stadium mega churches that keep popping up in my area. The media chooses to focus on conservative, Christian, republican opposition to the ruling in their coverage. I've stated many times in the various threads about these issues they I am responding solely to what conservatives are saying about themselves. You surely don't think homosexuals are the victims in the court's ruling do you? They won the case. There are no victims here.
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Jul 3, 2015 12:53:09 GMT -5
It's been my experience that the "Fox News types" are usually the ones who make these complaints. Just look at the gay marriage issue. They've somehow made themselves out to be the victims. Where have you seen pedophiles being comended??? Sorry for not explaining further. The internet gives people like that an outlet to find like minded individuals. There's been so many instances where sites and message boards of been shut down by the fbi, because it was practically a meeting place for pedophiles to trade media and stories, get an Internet pat on the back. Where in normal society, they're rightfully shunned. Theres so many conservative news sites that report anything but news and so many people eat it up and believe it. Same goes for conspiracy nuts. Not saying the internet is evil or anything..just can be used for bad things. Im saying the internet is evil. It give anyone the ability to belittle someone from the safety of a keyboard. Most the time im attacked by Christians for my belief that the bible is more like a guideline and not meant to be taken seriously.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 13:28:29 GMT -5
Fox News is the most trusted news network. Go ahead and Google "most trusted news network" and tell me what you get back. I already did. The entire first page of results contains story after story touting Fox News as the most trusted. There are many religious organizations that don't allow for homosexual marriage. A federal ruling disallowing discrimination in the issuing of marriage liscences is the first step in compelling those organizations to either perform homosexual marriages or lose their tax exempt status. The media chooses to focus on conservative, Christian, republican opposition to the ruling in their coverage. For this reason they most assuredly are the victims in the ruling because they are A) the focus of the negative coverage, and B) in danger of losing their protected tax status. You surely don't think homosexuals are the victims in the court's ruling do you? They won the case. There should be no victims in this ruling. the religious institutes that are playing victim. It's about time that they should be shunned for discriminating against gays, like people get mauled for discriminating against race. I agree that people who disagree with their religion should find a new one. I disagree that many Christian churches haven't been harmed by having their tax exempt status threatened. I also disagree that the media focussing only on Christian, conservative, republican opposition to the federal ruling isn't harming them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 13:43:48 GMT -5
theMOESIAHI agree that religions should pay taxes. I think everyone should pay taxes. As to your point about the Feds forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Are you arguing that there are no gay Catholics or that gay activists would never try to make a political issue out of a Catholic church refusing to marry them? Because I'm pretty confident you're wrong on both accounts. As to your point about you basing your opinion on what you've heard "conservatives" say... That's my point about the media focussing on conservative, Christian, republican, opposition. You're making my point for me. Every conservative Christian out there who is happy with the courts decision to mandate the government issue marriage liscences equitably is being victimized by the media focussing only on those conservative Christians who are unhappy with the ruling. Let's pretend for a second that you're a conservative Christian who supports gay marriage and goes to church every Sunday with your mom. The general public considers you a backwards thinking, racist, homophobe because the media has painted all conservative Christians that way. Oh yeah, and they may close your church down if the government takes away their tax exempt status. I hope that clears up what all the fuss is about.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 3, 2015 17:19:24 GMT -5
theMOESIAHI agree that religions should pay taxes. I think everyone should pay taxes. As to your point about the Feds forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Are you arguing that there are no gay Catholics or that gay activists would never try to make a political issue out of a Catholic church refusing to marry them? Because I'm pretty confident you're wrong on both accounts. As to your point about you basing your opinion on what you've heard "conservatives" say... That's my point about the media focussing on conservative, Christian, republican, opposition. You're making my point for me. Every conservative Christian out there who is happy with the courts decision to mandate the government issue marriage liscences equitably is being victimized by the media focussing only on those conservative Christians who are unhappy with the ruling. Let's pretend for a second that you're a conservative Christian who supports gay marriage and goes to church every Sunday with your mom. The general public considers you a backwards thinking, racist, homophobe because the media has painted all conservative Christians that way. Oh yeah, and they may close your church down if the government takes away their tax exempt status. I hope that clears up what all the fuss is about. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth with the tax issue. You began your post by saying that they should pay taxes and it end by saying that they govt. will force churches to shut down by taking away their exempt status. So which is it? As to whether or not someone will make an issue with a church refusing to marry them... that's just too bad for them. President Obama has already said that no one will be forced to do anything. Someone can try to make an issue of it but they won't win. Like I said, no Christian church is forced to marry Jewish couples so why would it be any different with gay couples? I find myself saying the same two things to you over and over again and I'm not sure why the information isn't getting through: 1. There is no liberal conspiracy in the mainstream media to make conservatives or Christians look bad. 2. When I say "this is what conservatives are saying" I'm taking about something that I have heard a conservative say directly. This isn't someone's interpretation of a conservative point. It is something directly from the mouth of a conservative, usually a Christian, person. In fact it is always from Fox News unless otherwise noted. I'm constantly telling you they this is what conservatives are saying and you're going "No, they are putting that in our mouths because they are against us!" No one is against you. There is no conspiracy. These are the beliefs and talking points of the party that you identify with. Being in denial of reality won't change that. No one has painted any entire group to be anything. I have never once said that all Christians are bad, however I have said that all Christians who say and do these certain things are bad. There is a world of difference there.
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Post by honeybear 619 on Jul 3, 2015 18:13:29 GMT -5
Does everyone use their full name for their email address?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2015 18:41:20 GMT -5
theMOESIAHI agree that religions should pay taxes. I think everyone should pay taxes. As to your point about the Feds forcing churches to perform gay marriages. Are you arguing that there are no gay Catholics or that gay activists would never try to make a political issue out of a Catholic church refusing to marry them? Because I'm pretty confident you're wrong on both accounts. As to your point about you basing your opinion on what you've heard "conservatives" say... That's my point about the media focussing on conservative, Christian, republican, opposition. You're making my point for me. Every conservative Christian out there who is happy with the courts decision to mandate the government issue marriage liscences equitably is being victimized by the media focussing only on those conservative Christians who are unhappy with the ruling. Let's pretend for a second that you're a conservative Christian who supports gay marriage and goes to church every Sunday with your mom. The general public considers you a backwards thinking, racist, homophobe because the media has painted all conservative Christians that way. Oh yeah, and they may close your church down if the government takes away their tax exempt status. I hope that clears up what all the fuss is about. You're talking out of both sides of your mouth with the tax issue. You began your post by saying that they should pay taxes and it end by saying that they govt. will force churches to shut down by taking away their exempt status. So which is it? As to whether or not someone will make an issue with a church refusing to marry them... that's just too bad for them. President Obama has already said that no one will be forced to do anything. Someone can try to make an issue of it but they won't win. Like I said, no Christian church is forced to marry Jewish couples so why would it be any different with gay couples? I find myself saying the same two things to you over and over again and I'm not sure why the information isn't getting through: 1. There is no liberal conspiracy in the mainstream media to make conservatives or Christians look bad. 2. When I say "this is what conservatives are saying" I'm taking about something that I have heard a conservative say directly. This isn't someone's interpretation of a conservative point. It is something directly from the mouth of a conservative, usually a Christian, person. In fact it is always from Fox News unless otherwise noted. I'm constantly telling you they this is what conservatives are saying and you're going "No, they are putting that in our mouths because they are against us!" No one is against you. There is no conspiracy. These are the beliefs and talking points of the party that you identify with. Being in denial of reality won't change that. No one has painted any entire group to be anything. I have never once said that all Christians are bad, however I have said that all Christians who say and do these certain things are bad. There is a world of difference there. I'm not talking out of both sides of my mouth. When I explain to you the conservative Christian point of view, I'm not speaking for myself, I'm just telling you how it is. The media is left leaning. I'm not suggesting there's a conspiracy, just that the most of the people in the media happen to be on the left. Same thing goes for the public sector and education system. That's just statistics. They can deny there's bias, but it's obvious to anyone with an open mind. Here's an article for you to read. www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/journalists-admitting-liberal-bias-part-oneJust so you know where I'm coming from, I don't self identify. I try to understand both point of views. I also enjoy talking politics, religion, philosophy, etc. conversations are boring when people agree, and you're fun to talk to. You shouldn't just assume that since I understand why conservative Christians are upset that I agree with them. I don't. I just get it.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jul 3, 2015 22:33:55 GMT -5
I think that a lot of the time people can say what they like online because there are no consequences, you can taunt someone all day online and nothing would get done, try that in real life and you'd end up on your back.
There seems to be too many people today who either dont understand the word oppinion or choose to ignore it, fathering yoy to think their way because in their own little mind they can't cope in a world where.people view things in another way, simply because its not their version of "right"
beyond thing that used to annoy me was getting some 13 year old kid saying how straight edge he is, when in real life he's not old enough to drink and no ones even thought about passing jack from the left hand side. I guess that's one positive from Punk leaving WWE straight edge seems to have lost its cool now
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Jul 3, 2015 23:41:00 GMT -5
I think that a lot of the time people can say what they like online because there are no consequences, you can taunt someone all day online and nothing would get done, try that in real life and you'd end up on your back. There seems to be too many people today who either dont understand the word oppinion or choose to ignore it, fathering yoy to think their way because in their own little mind they can't cope in a world where.people view things in another way, simply because its not their version of "right" beyond thing that used to annoy me was getting some 13 year old kid saying how straight edge he is, when in real life he's not old enough to drink and no ones even thought about passing jack from the left hand side. I guess that's one positive from Punk leaving WWE straight edge seems to have lost its cool now Straight edge is still big in the NYC punk rock scene.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 9:51:25 GMT -5
There should be no victims in this ruling. the religious institutes that are playing victim. It's about time that they should be shunned for discriminating against gays, like people get mauled for discriminating against race. I agree that people who disagree with their religion should find a new one. I disagree that many Christian churches haven't been harmed by having their tax exempt status threatened. I also disagree that the media focussing only on Christian, conservative, republican opposition to the federal ruling isn't harming them. No one's getting they're tax exempt status taken away. It's just not going to happen. the irs threatened a church with that once for not marrying a bi-racial couple and it didn't go through. It's all talk to try to get people to go against the ruling. Besides, only 22 or so states have LGBT included in their discrimination laws and none of them are southern states. And it's harming the Christian conservatives, because the way they think..not that the media is against them. more voters now are likely to not vote for an official that openly opposes gay marriage. Going on a tirade to discriminate, only hurts the one doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 9:58:23 GMT -5
I think that a lot of the time people can say what they like online because there are no consequences, you can taunt someone all day online and nothing would get done, try that in real life and you'd end up on your back. There seems to be too many people today who either dont understand the word oppinion or choose to ignore it, fathering yoy to think their way because in their own little mind they can't cope in a world where.people view things in another way, simply because its not their version of "right" beyond thing that used to annoy me was getting some 13 year old kid saying how straight edge he is, when in real life he's not old enough to drink and no ones even thought about passing jack from the left hand side. I guess that's one positive from Punk leaving WWE straight edge seems to have lost its cool now Straight edge lost its cool?
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Post by Adam on Jul 4, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5
I think that a lot of the time people can say what they like online because there are no consequences, you can taunt someone all day online and nothing would get done, try that in real life and you'd end up on your back You pretty much nailed it here. That's why I'll never have Twitter despite the peer pressure.
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Post by theMOESIAH on Jul 4, 2015 12:46:00 GMT -5
I think that a lot of the time people can say what they like online because there are no consequences, you can taunt someone all day online and nothing would get done, try that in real life and you'd end up on your back You pretty much nailed it here. That's why I'll never have Twitter despite the peer pressure. Same here. This is the only form if social media I use. There is more than enough drama here. I don't need to go looking anywhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 14:28:23 GMT -5
I agree that people who disagree with their religion should find a new one. I disagree that many Christian churches haven't been harmed by having their tax exempt status threatened. I also disagree that the media focussing only on Christian, conservative, republican opposition to the federal ruling isn't harming them. No one's getting they're tax exempt status taken away. It's just not going to happen. the irs threatened a church with that once for not marrying a bi-racial couple and it didn't go through. It's all talk to try to get people to go against the ruling. Besides, only 22 or so states have LGBT included in their discrimination laws and none of them are southern states. And it's harming the Christian conservatives, because the way they think..not that the media is against them. more voters now are likely to not vote for an official that openly opposes gay marriage. Going on a tirade to discriminate, only hurts the one doing it. You're missing the point. A lot of conservative Christians think homosexuals should be able to marry. By the media focussing on the ones that are against it the general public is left thinking all conservative Christians are like that. Take cops for example. Many probably think this country has a problem with racist cops killing unarmed black men because the media focusses on it. In the process good cops are being harmed because the media only focusses on bad ones. The converse is true BTW. Blacks are actually less likely to be killed by cops then whites. Most people in this country support gay marriage. That's why Hillary Clinton and Barrak Obama both changed their positions on it. Clinton's husband signed DOMA into law and Obama openly said he was against gay marriage when he was elected. Now that the majority of Americans are for it they've both flip flopped. That's not a story though. Conservative Christians not flip flopping is. Why? BTW, most Americans are Christians. So how are a majority of Americans for gay marriage when Christians are supposedly against it? The thesis that conservative Christians are against gay marriage just doesn't hold up mathematically. Personally, I don't care if the church loses its tax exempt status. I don't think anyone should be tax exempt. That doesn't mean that I don't think the government will go after it though. Of course they will. They didn't before, but before they didn't supposed gay marriage. Now they do. Why? They want that tax revenue. No one is going to overturn the gay marriage ruling because the country is for it. Just like the country is being programmed to think all conservative Christians are discriminatory. When the government goes after that tax money people will be okay with it. The government has a history of trying to force Christians to go against their own religion. You remember Obamacare don't you? Forcing Christians to pay for abortions. You remember that right? Of course forcing gay marriage is on their radar. I don't have to disagree with the government to see it coming. I just pay attention to what's going on. Think about it? If this was about equal rights then why did it take so long?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 15:48:02 GMT -5
No one's getting they're tax exempt status taken away. It's just not going to happen. the irs threatened a church with that once for not marrying a bi-racial couple and it didn't go through. It's all talk to try to get people to go against the ruling. Besides, only 22 or so states have LGBT included in their discrimination laws and none of them are southern states. And it's harming the Christian conservatives, because the way they think..not that the media is against them. more voters now are likely to not vote for an official that openly opposes gay marriage. Going on a tirade to discriminate, only hurts the one doing it. You're missing the point. A lot of conservative Christians think homosexuals should be able to marry. By the media focussing on the ones that are against it the general public is left thinking all conservative Christians are like that. Take cops for example. Many probably think this country has a problem with racist cops killing unarmed black men because the media focusses on it. In the process good cops are being harmed because the media only focusses on bad ones. The converse is true BTW. Blacks are actually less likely to be killed by cops then whites. Most people in this country support gay marriage. That's why Hillary Clinton and Barrak Obama both changed their positions on it. Clinton's husband signed DOMA into law and Obama openly said he was against gay marriage when he was elected. Now that the majority of Americans are for it they've both flip flopped. That's not a story though. Conservative Christians not flip flopping is. Why? BTW, most Americans are Christians. So how are a majority of Americans for gay marriage when Christians are supposedly against it? The thesis that conservative Christians are against gay marriage just doesn't hold up mathematically. Personally, I don't care if the church loses its tax exempt status. I don't think anyone should be tax exempt. That doesn't mean that I don't think the government will go after it though. Of course they will. They didn't before, but before they didn't supposed gay marriage. Now they do. Why? They want that tax revenue. No one is going to overturn the gay marriage ruling because the country is for it. Just like the country is being programmed to think all conservative Christians are discriminatory. When the government goes after that tax money people will be okay with it. The government has a history of trying to force Christians to go against their own religion. You remember Obamacare don't you? Forcing Christians to pay for abortions. You remember that right? Of course forcing gay marriage is on their radar. I don't have to disagree with the government to see it coming. I just pay attention to what's going on. Think about it? If this was about equal rights then why did it take so long? Where do you get your news?
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