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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jul 18, 2015 12:06:01 GMT -5
surprised no one brought up the biggest one of all . . . Steve Austin came into WCW ,and won the TV Title right after debuting, then was shortly thereafter put in the Dangerous Alliance. definitely started off strong, and the sky seemed the limit. indeed, he won multiple TV, United States, and Tag Team Championships during his time there. but he saw that he would never be able to rise above the mid-card level when he and Pillman were told their Hollywood Blondes tag team was being broken up because they were too over. yes, you read that right - WCW killed a hot gimmick because it was too over. as we all know, he ended up in the WWF at the beginning of 1996, but wasn't really being used all that well their either. then came King of the Ring 1996, his feud with Bret Hart, and he only ended up becoming the hottest wrestler EVER in the the WWF, and multi-time World Champion and WrestleMania main-eventer. BEST USE : WWF by no-contest! Haha well I'll follow off the tail end of that. Undertaker vs Mean Mark Callous Best Use: WWF/E with ease. The guy was propelled to superstar status and is one of if not arguably the biggest superstar in WWF's history next to Hogan/Austin.
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jul 18, 2015 18:04:19 GMT -5
surprised no one brought up the biggest one of all . . . Steve Austin came into WCW ,and won the TV Title right after debuting, then was shortly thereafter put in the Dangerous Alliance. definitely started off strong, and the sky seemed the limit. indeed, he won multiple TV, United States, and Tag Team Championships during his time there. but he saw that he would never be able to rise above the mid-card level when he and Pillman were told their Hollywood Blondes tag team was being broken up because they were too over. yes, you read that right - WCW killed a hot gimmick because it was too over. as we all know, he ended up in the WWF at the beginning of 1996, but wasn't really being used all that well their either. then came King of the Ring 1996, his feud with Bret Hart, and he only ended up becoming the hottest wrestler EVER in the the WWF, and multi-time World Champion and WrestleMania main-eventer. BEST USE : WWF by no-contest! Haha well I'll follow off the tail end of that. Undertaker vs Mean Mark Callous Best Use: WWF/E with ease. The guy was propelled to superstar status and is one of if not arguably the biggest superstar in WWF's history next to Hogan/Austin. Crazy how WCW had two stars who would become some of the biggest stars and didn't do anything with them.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 18, 2015 18:36:17 GMT -5
Sting - WCW. Kevin Nash - WCW. Scott Hall - WWF. Sid - WCW. Jeff Jarrett - WCW. Vader - WCW. Ric Flair - WWF.Randy Savage - WWF. Hulk Hogan - WCW. I am confused by those 2 I bolded. Ric Flair was the biggest star who spent most of his career in WCW and he was better used in the WWF? He was only there for a year and a half in his first run and while I enjoyed his 2nd run from 2002-2008, he was clearly not a main eventer by that time and looked like he needed the money to pay the IRS. Hulk Hogan dominated the WWF from 1984-1991, so how was he better used in WCW? Yeah, he had the greatest heel turn of all time there, but that was nothing close to what he did in the 80s.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 18, 2015 18:39:52 GMT -5
Haha well I'll follow off the tail end of that. Undertaker vs Mean Mark Callous Best Use: WWF/E with ease. The guy was propelled to superstar status and is one of if not arguably the biggest superstar in WWF's history next to Hogan/Austin. Crazy how WCW had two stars who would become some of the biggest stars and didn't do anything with them. I am pretty sure the WWE has fired some potential future superstars that were in developmental, but because they have almost no competition now, there is no other place that can use them better
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Post by gravedigger3 on Jul 18, 2015 22:52:58 GMT -5
Crazy how WCW had two stars who would become some of the biggest stars and didn't do anything with them. I am pretty sure the WWE has fired some potential future superstars that were in developmental, but because they have almost no competition now, there is no other place that can use them better Yeah I was wondering that after I posted. I wonder who would have broke through had WCW been an option
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2015 10:47:55 GMT -5
Sting - WCW. Kevin Nash - WCW. Scott Hall - WWF. Sid - WCW. Jeff Jarrett - WCW. Vader - WCW. Ric Flair - WWF.Randy Savage - WWF. Hulk Hogan - WCW. I am confused by those 2 I bolded. Ric Flair was the biggest star who spent most of his career in WCW and he was better used in the WWF? He was only there for a year and a half in his first run and while I enjoyed his 2nd run from 2002-2008, he was clearly not a main eventer by that time and looked like he needed the money to pay the IRS. Hulk Hogan dominated the WWF from 1984-1991, so how was he better used in WCW? Yeah, he had the greatest heel turn of all time there, but that was nothing close to what he did in the 80s. I see your point, but let me explain: Flair - Was used as a top star in WWF for his 18 month stint. However, in WCW, especially after his WWF run, he was used as an afterthought or to rehash the Horsemen time and time again. Flair himself has also said he was used better in the WWF, and regretted going back to WCW. He spoke about this briefly on WrestleMania Today this year. Hogan - He had creative control. Everything Hogan ever did in WCW was down to him. He got the final word on everything. He was a focal point of one of the biggest storylines in history, and got to play a Heel which was something he'd wanted to go back to for years. IMHO, Hogan was far more entertaining in WCW as Hollywood Hogan, than he was in WWF as plain old good guy, Hulk Hogan.
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Post by K5 on Jul 19, 2015 10:54:23 GMT -5
sid - wwf kevin nash and scott hall - wwf, where they didn't let them slack billy kidman - wcw, but wwe did try on a few occasions. juicing him up and cutting his hair didn't help him. lance storm - wcw. despite the crapbooking with the whole team canada schtick, storm was over as a heel and was used as a credible competitor there. mike awesome - wcw. perry saturn - wcw chris jericho - wwe chris benoit - wwe eddie guerrero - wwe chavo guerrero - wwe william regal - wwe wcw didn't use basically anyone but their upper card talent well. everyone else just kind of stagnated.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 19, 2015 13:33:07 GMT -5
sid - wwf kevin nash and scott hall - wwf, where they didn't let them slack billy kidman - wcw, but wwe did try on a few occasions. juicing him up and cutting his hair didn't help him. lance storm - wcw. despite the crap booking with the whole team canada schtick, storm was over as a heel and was used as a credible competitor there. mike awesome - wcw. perry saturn - wcw chris jericho - wwe chris benoit - wwe eddie guerrero - wwe chavo guerrero - wwe william regal - wwe wcw didn't use basically anyone but their upper card talent well. everyone else just kind of stagnated. Benoit would have been pushed further had he stuck around in WCW....that is if WCW stuck around... At least im a firm believer that he would have.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 20, 2015 5:36:27 GMT -5
Most wrestlers were used better by the WWF back then. Vince regularly took WCW mid-carders like Scott Hall, Vinnie Vegas, "Stunning" Steve, Mean Mark, Terra Ryzin', etc and turned them into main eventers in the WWF. The only time I can remember the WWF taking a WCW star and not elevating him or keeping his momentum going is Vader.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 9:06:56 GMT -5
Most wrestlers were used better by the WWF back then. Vince regularly took WCW mid-carders like Scott Hall, Vinnie Vegas, "Stunning" Steve, Mean Mark, Terra Ryzin', etc and turned them into main eventers in the WWF. The only time I can remember the WWF taking a WCW star and not elevating him or keeping his momentum going is Vader. WWE took Lugar and definitely did not keep his momentum going. They didn't use him correctly. Also Malenko and the Lucha guys they got, save Rey.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 11:34:58 GMT -5
Kevin Nash was WWF BY FAR.
You all have to remember that he was OZ and VINNIE VEGAS in WCW. WWF made him a star and gave him a year long title reign.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Jul 20, 2015 11:48:00 GMT -5
Most wrestlers were used better by the WWF back then. Vince regularly took WCW mid-carders like Scott Hall, Vinnie Vegas, "Stunning" Steve, Mean Mark, Terra Ryzin', etc and turned them into main eventers in the WWF. The only time I can remember the WWF taking a WCW star and not elevating him or keeping his momentum going is Vader. WWE took Lugar and definitely did not keep his momentum going. They didn't use him correctly. Also Malenko and the Lucha guys they got, save Rey. Luger was never the #1 guy in WCW, but he was a guy who often worked main event programs with a top face or heel. In WWF, he main evented Summerslam and co-main evented Wrestlemania. So, they did keep him at the same level.
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Post by ricflair4ever on Jul 20, 2015 12:41:07 GMT -5
Diamond Dallas Page was certainly one of the few WWE squandered all of WCWs work for. Which kind of puzzled me. He turned down guaranteed money to sit home so he could make the jump to Vince. And for absolutely nothing. People say Vader was misused (he was but he also had an injury that hels him back before HBK buried him) and Goldberg gets mentioned as well (he should have been booked better but he did have a run at the top at least) but for my money DDP is the best case of the worst waste of an established star....on the WWE side
WCWs two biggest blunders were Bret and Warrior. I can see them blowing it with Austin,Foley,Eddie,Rey,Benoit,and Jericho as the WCW bookers (the revolving door it was) had no clue what they had until it was gone (or already leaving in Benoits case) ...But you don't get many excuses for screwing up two of the most established over guys of the pprevious decade such as they were
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 10:35:36 GMT -5
WWE took Lugar and definitely did not keep his momentum going. They didn't use him correctly. Also Malenko and the Lucha guys they got, save Rey. Luger was never the #1 guy in WCW, but he was a guy who often worked main event programs with a top face or heel. In WWF, he main evented Summerslam and co-main evented Wrestlemania. So, they did keep him at the same level. I disagree. Lex was the world champion in WCW. He mainevented Starrcade, GAB's, as face and heel, and was neck and neck with Sting and Steamboat for the number 2 guy behind Flair for years. He went from that, to being in the WBF for months, then debuted flatly as the Narcissist, then clumsily turned to the Lex Express, a complete bust. I dont buy the co maineventing Mania...Main event is the last match...anything else doesnt mean squat. I dont see Lex as ever being even a number 2 or 3 guy in his WWF tenure. They all cut their losses, and he went back to being a player in WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 11:08:04 GMT -5
WWE took Lugar and definitely did not keep his momentum going. They didn't use him correctly. Also Malenko and the Lucha guys they got, save Rey. Luger was never the #1 guy in WCW, but he was a guy who often worked main event programs with a top face or heel. In WWF, he main evented Summerslam and co-main evented Wrestlemania. So, they did keep him at the same level. Only until WMX though. He wasn't even on the KOTR94 card.
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Post by JC Motors on Jul 23, 2015 19:56:38 GMT -5
Macho Man Randy Savage WWF
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Jul 24, 2015 0:45:07 GMT -5
WCW: Dean Malenko, Vader, Raven, Saturn, Lance Storm, Shane Helms, Billy Kidman, Juventud, DDP, Eric Bischoff, Ric Flair, Rick Rude, Brian Pilman, Jeff Jarrett, Goldberg, Sting, Ron Simmons, Big Show, Booker T, Ultimo Dragon
WWE: Chris Jericho, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Triple H, Steve Austin, Chris Benoit, Bret Hart, X-Pac, Ultimate Warrior, William Regal, Curt Henning, Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Eddie Guerrero, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Roddy Piper
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2015 6:48:50 GMT -5
Bret in WCW: Enough has been written..... heel turn to balance out Nash and Savage going face.......bah.
Luger: As AF says he was only a top guy for Vince from Intrepid to WMX. Its unfortunate but true. He never even got into the IC scene.
DDP: The way Vince used him in WWF was an absolute disgrace. Vince and his cretin daughter blew some serious cash with their idiotic Ego trip in 2001.
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Post by robbutler01 on Jul 25, 2015 13:32:58 GMT -5
Vince and his cretin daughter blew some serious cash with their idiotic Ego trip in 2001. Very true! Oh what could have been........... (another pet peeve is the triple h sting match at mania this year. JBL screaming "we won again" will always wind me up! I can just see Vince feeding him that ego based line!)
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