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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 16, 2015 11:43:42 GMT -5
The Wrath Topic made me think of something.
During the WCW and WWF era,a lot of wrestlers jumped shift. Some were used well, others not so well. Let's do one of those topics, where I'll name a wrestler who after a somewhat lengthy run with one organization, signed with the other, and argue whether WCW or WWF used them better. The next poster states his/her agreement, and argues for another wrestler.
Mine:
Jeff Jarrett: WWF. Yes, he was given multiple World Championships with WCW, but they felt forced. As much as I was and am a fan of the Chosen One, I believe WWF gave us a reason to hate Jarrett, and that reason wasn't because he was shoved down our throats repeatedly (I guess that's where he got the phrase "Choke on that, Slapnuts." Just kidding, he actually said his grandma used to say it). The WWF used his natural arrogance to turn him into a heel people wanted to see get beat up, instead of just an annoyance who happened to be the new face of the company. Sometimes, holding the main title exposes a lot of the flaws of a wrestler, and I think that was true of Double J. He was fine in a limited role, and WWF used him for every penny and used him effectively in his feuds.
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Post by robbutler01 on Jul 16, 2015 11:52:35 GMT -5
Ok, I like this idea so he goes:
Agree with Jarret and WWF - pushed to hard in WCW for my liking.
Obvious one - BRET HART
Hugely successful run in WWF triple crown winner, headliner of ppv's, face of the company......then went to WCW and was REALLY misused.
Marquee matches yes and title runs but all very disjointed and complicated - he's WCW, no he's NWO, no he's his own man, No he's NWO again!
When Bret hart is wrestling Booker T for the tv title then you know something is wrong!
BEST USE = WWF
PS-can wait to see if anyone chose's Hogan and the arguments that could cause!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 11:54:09 GMT -5
WCW: Buff Bagwell and Scott Steiner.
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Post by Sizzle on Jul 16, 2015 12:52:12 GMT -5
WCW: Vader (Isn't it obvious)
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Post by punksnotdead on Jul 16, 2015 12:54:03 GMT -5
Agree with Bret Hart. No two ways about it, WCW just didn't know what to do with him or how to insert him at the top with all the other sh*t that was going on. I did enjoy Bret's time in WCW, seemingly more than most. NWO2000 4Life.
Mine: Raven
In WCW, Raven had a story, vignette or promo that surrounded everything he did. They let him use the Flock to avoid opponents, to tell stories, and to add to matches. He wasn't overly reliant on weapons either, even though he had his fair share of gimmick matches and definitely run-ins. Raven's Rules was a stipulation isolated, in most cases, to the drop toe hold on the chair, which I liked. Also, WCW treated Raven like an upper tier talent, and trusted him as a performer. In WWE, he was a jobber and relegated to 24/7 Hardcore matches. Some of them were entertaining, two of them, Backlash 01 and WM17, were two of the best Hardcore matches WWE has ever had, but he should have been a figure head for the Alliance and he 100% should have feuded with Austin at some point. A brilliant talent that was wasted in WWE.
Best Use: WCW
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 16, 2015 13:58:41 GMT -5
I want to say there was a topic similar to this about a year ago. Names like Luger, Bulldog, Jericho, Benoit and such were talked about, as to what organization they did better and were used better at.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 16, 2015 14:18:32 GMT -5
I want to say there was a topic similar to this about a year ago. Names like Luger, Bulldog, Jericho, Benoit and such were talked about, as to what organization they did better and were used better at. Honestly, can't say I'd be surprised. Is it ok if we keep using this one rather than try to find an old thread to bump? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 14:23:54 GMT -5
Pillman. Lingering in the midcard instead of continuing to feud with Stone Cold...yeah.
Lance Storm.
Raven.
Goldberg.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 16, 2015 14:27:17 GMT -5
Agree with Bret Hart. No two ways about it, WCW just didn't know what to do with him or how to insert him at the top with all the other sh*t that was going on. I did enjoy Bret's time in WCW, seemingly more than most. NWO2000 4Life. Mine: Raven In WCW, Raven had a story, vignette or promo that surrounded everything he did. They let him use the Flock to avoid opponents, to tell stories, and to add to matches. He wasn't overly reliant on weapons either, even though he had his fair share of gimmick matches and definitely run-ins. Raven's Rules was a stipulation isolated, in most cases, to the drop toe hold on the chair, which I liked. Also, WCW treated Raven like an upper tier talent, and trusted him as a performer. In WWE, he was a jobber and relegated to 24/7 Hardcore matches. Some of them were entertaining, two of them, Backlash 01 and WM17, were two of the best Hardcore matches WWE has ever had, but he should have been a figure head for the Alliance and he 100% should have feuded with Austin at some point. A brilliant talent that was wasted in WWE. Best Use: WCW I agree with Raven in WCW. It is almost as if WWE just ignored his tenure at WCW, thought of him as an ECW wrestler, and only saw ECW wrestlers as hardcore wrestlers. Next one: IRS, VK Wallstreet, Michael Wallstreet, Michael Rotunda. This one is hard as he flipped multiple times. In the early 80s, he wrestled as one half of the U.S. Express, and won the Tag Team Championships. I didn't watch during this era, so can't say if he was prominently featured. His second run with the WWF saw him as part of an enhancement team. I think those cancel each other out. Since we're talking about WCW and not the NWA, I would have to say anything he did with Crockett, no matter how good, is irrelevant. Then again, even if it were included, his tenure as a boat captain would cancel out the good too. My understanding of the history of Rotunda though would say that NWA sort of paved the way for his IRS gimmick, which is where he found most of his "success" on the main stage. My only critique though is that it's hard not to be booed when you're an accountant working for the IRS. His angles were rather ridiculous though. His return to WCW was less than stellar though. Really, I don't think either WCW or WWF used him correctly as the guy was a pretty amazing wrestler. The most notoriety he got was in WWF, and really, with the gimmick they saddled him with, it's amazing he went that far. If we included NWA, that's the lock, but as this is between WWF and WCW, WWF gets the win. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 14:34:12 GMT -5
WCW did better with Lance Storm and Goldberg.
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Post by theafricandream on Jul 16, 2015 14:38:33 GMT -5
Agree with Bret Hart. No two ways about it, WCW just didn't know what to do with him or how to insert him at the top with all the other sh*t that was going on. I did enjoy Bret's time in WCW, seemingly more than most. NWO2000 4Life. Mine: Raven In WCW, Raven had a story, vignette or promo that surrounded everything he did. They let him use the Flock to avoid opponents, to tell stories, and to add to matches. He wasn't overly reliant on weapons either, even though he had his fair share of gimmick matches and definitely run-ins. Raven's Rules was a stipulation isolated, in most cases, to the drop toe hold on the chair, which I liked. Also, WCW treated Raven like an upper tier talent, and trusted him as a performer. In WWE, he was a jobber and relegated to 24/7 Hardcore matches. Some of them were entertaining, two of them, Backlash 01 and WM17, were two of the best Hardcore matches WWE has ever had, but he should have been a figure head for the Alliance and he 100% should have feuded with Austin at some point. A brilliant talent that was wasted in WWE. Best Use: WCW I agree with Raven in WCW. It is almost as if WWE just ignored his tenure at WCW, thought of him as an ECW wrestler, and only saw ECW wrestlers as hardcore wrestlers. Next one: IRS, VK Wallstreet, Michael Wallstreet, Michael Rotunda. This one is hard as he flipped multiple times. In the early 80s, he wrestled as one half of the U.S. Express, and won the Tag Team Championships. I didn't watch during this era, so can't say if he was prominently featured. His second run with the WWF saw him as part of an enhancement team. I think those cancel each other out. Since we're talking about WCW and not the NWA, I would have to say anything he did with Crockett, no matter how good, is irrelevant. Then again, even if it were included, his tenure as a boat captain would cancel out the good too. My understanding of the history of Rotunda though would say that NWA sort of paved the way for his IRS gimmick, which is where he found most of his "success" on the main stage. My only critique though is that it's hard not to be booed when you're an accountant working for the IRS. His angles were rather ridiculous though. His return to WCW was less than stellar though. Really, I don't think either WCW or WWF used him correctly as the guy was a pretty amazing wrestler. The most notoriety he got was in WWF, and really, with the gimmick they saddled him with, it's amazing he went that far. If we included NWA, that's the lock, but as this is between WWF and WCW, WWF gets the win. When I think of Rotunda, I think IRS. He was a great technical wrestler but he suffered from a severe lack of charisma. Plus his matches consisted of 90% rest holds. His run as IRS was probably the best possible way he could have been used so hats off to WWF on that one. No other period in Rotundas career can even touch 1991-92. I also wouldn't refer to Money Inc. as an enhancement team considering they were tag team champs and featured very prominently in the division. |
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 16, 2015 15:18:10 GMT -5
When I think of Rotunda, I think IRS. He was a great technical wrestler but he suffered from a severe lack of charisma. Plus his matches consisted of 90% rest holds. His run as IRS was probably the best possible way he could have been used so hats off to WWF on that one. No other period in Rotundas career can even touch 1991-92. I also wouldn't refer to Money Inc. as an enhancement team considering they were tag team champs and featured very prominently in the division. I should have clarified. He had at least three runs with WWF. His second run saw him reform the US Express with some other partner, and they were the enhancement talent. His tenure with the Million Dollar Man was by far his most memorable as the IRS, and he was involved in big feuds--if not ridiculous--while with Dibiase and the Million Dollar Corporation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 15:40:15 GMT -5
The Giant/Big Show - WCW.
It's hilarious that Vince criticised WCW for not knowing what to do with him, and they've literally booked him like crap the entire time he's been employed in WWE.
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Post by tnafan17: The Total Package on Jul 16, 2015 17:06:18 GMT -5
Agreed. Big Show was made to feel like a giant in WWE, but he always just continued to lose. He got the strap put on him a Survivor Series 99 randomly.
Ravishing Rick Rude-WCW
--Personally, I feel that he was given a main event spot he truly deserved. The man could always go in the ring and his mic work was second to none. "Its time for all you California SWEET HOGS...." lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 18:06:59 GMT -5
The British Bulldog- better used in WWF.
WCW got their hands on this talented and VERY over star TWICE.....and did very little with him either time. Now they did more the first time for sure.....but man oh man did they destroy him(literally) in 1998.
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Post by LA Times on Jul 16, 2015 19:35:46 GMT -5
The Giant/Big Show - WCW. It's hilarious that Vince criticised WCW for not knowing what to do with him, and they've literally booked him like crap the entire time he's been employed in WWE. Totally agree with Big Show being better used in WCW. He looked unbeatable in 1995-96, but in the WWF/E, he has kept flipflopping from heel to face, monster to comedy act/crybaby and has jobbed to Zack Gowen and various WrestleMania celebrities. Next-Billy Kidman |
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Post by LA Times on Jul 16, 2015 19:38:43 GMT -5
Agree with Bret Hart. No two ways about it, WCW just didn't know what to do with him or how to insert him at the top with all the other sh*t that was going on. I did enjoy Bret's time in WCW, seemingly more than most. NWO2000 4Life. Mine: Raven In WCW, Raven had a story, vignette or promo that surrounded everything he did. They let him use the Flock to avoid opponents, to tell stories, and to add to matches. He wasn't overly reliant on weapons either, even though he had his fair share of gimmick matches and definitely run-ins. Raven's Rules was a stipulation isolated, in most cases, to the drop toe hold on the chair, which I liked. Also, WCW treated Raven like an upper tier talent, and trusted him as a performer. In WWE, he was a jobber and relegated to 24/7 Hardcore matches. Some of them were entertaining, two of them, Backlash 01 and WM17, were two of the best Hardcore matches WWE has ever had, but he should have been a figure head for the Alliance and he 100% should have feuded with Austin at some point. A brilliant talent that was wasted in WWE. Best Use: WCW I agree with Raven in WCW. It is almost as if WWE just ignored his tenure at WCW, thought of him as an ECW wrestler, and only saw ECW wrestlers as hardcore wrestlers. Next one: IRS, VK Wallstreet, Michael Wallstreet, Michael Rotunda. This one is hard as he flipped multiple times. In the early 80s, he wrestled as one half of the U.S. Express, and won the Tag Team Championships. I didn't watch during this era, so can't say if he was prominently featured. His second run with the WWF saw him as part of an enhancement team. I think those cancel each other out. Since we're talking about WCW and not the NWA, I would have to say anything he did with Crockett, no matter how good, is irrelevant. Then again, even if it were included, his tenure as a boat captain would cancel out the good too. My understanding of the history of Rotunda though would say that NWA sort of paved the way for his IRS gimmick, which is where he found most of his "success" on the main stage. My only critique though is that it's hard not to be booed when you're an accountant working for the IRS. His angles were rather ridiculous though. His return to WCW was less than stellar though. Really, I don't think either WCW or WWF used him correctly as the guy was a pretty amazing wrestler. The most notoriety he got was in WWF, and really, with the gimmick they saddled him with, it's amazing he went that far. If we included NWA, that's the lock, but as this is between WWF and WCW, WWF gets the win. The IRS gimmick came about when Vince McMahon didn't like how they were taking too much taxes from him, so in typical Vince fashion, he created a character out of it and Michael Rotunda/Wallstreet was the perfect guy for it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 6:57:15 GMT -5
Sting - WCW.
Kevin Nash - WCW.
Scott Hall - WWF.
Sid - WCW.
Jeff Jarrett - WCW.
Vader - WCW.
Ric Flair - WWF.
Randy Savage - WWF.
Hulk Hogan - WCW.
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Post by UltimateCollector78 on Jul 17, 2015 8:18:28 GMT -5
Roddy Piper
WWE: was most famous for his mid 80s wwe run vs Hogan, after that feud ended he went on to weird feuds against Adrian Adonis, Rick Rude and Bad News Brown. in the early 90's he was on commentary save for a IC title run and WM 8 classic vs Bret and was in and out of the company with lousy feuds vs Lawler and Goldust. I do not think Piper had a shot at the title after the feud with Hogan died off with no apparent victor. save for his 92 RR shot at the strap.
WCW: he was there for 3 years 96-99 came in a main event against Hogan and beat him, and was working in top feuds with NWO, Flair, Bret. until he left. tough choice really.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jul 18, 2015 10:59:13 GMT -5
surprised no one brought up the biggest one of all . . .
Steve Austin
came into WCW ,and won the TV Title right after debuting, then was shortly thereafter put in the Dangerous Alliance. definitely started off strong, and the sky seemed the limit. indeed, he won multiple TV, United States, and Tag Team Championships during his time there. but he saw that he would never be able to rise above the mid-card level when he and Pillman were told their Hollywood Blondes tag team was being broken up because they were too over. yes, you read that right - WCW killed a hot gimmick because it was too over.
as we all know, he ended up in the WWF at the beginning of 1996, but wasn't really being used all that well their either. then came King of the Ring 1996, his feud with Bret Hart, and he only ended up becoming the hottest wrestler EVER in the the WWF, and multi-time World Champion and WrestleMania main-eventer.
BEST USE : WWF by no-contest!
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